Is Tenshinhan considered human? Tenshinhan vs Kuririn

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:04 pm

kinoko wrote:
Mr. Announcer wrote:Well yeah, I would definitely assume that Crane Master taught it to him considering Master Roushi knew about the attack without ever having met Tenshinhan before.
XD I remembered that like a minute after I replied to your ...reply (did that make sense?) +is dumb+

...I should have known that, too! ;-;

(Pssst, hey, Guy... Would it be okie if I feature some of your (Tenshinhan)art on my website? ^_____^ Will credit and link back and all that jazz. I've fallen in love with your stuff, man. Many thanks. [edit] The reason I called you "Guy" was because of your DA name... not realizing that you go by "Mr. Announcer" here. +laughs+ Sorry about that..)

Haha, sure, knock yourself out. I feel a little guilty for not having more Tenshinhan in my gallery now....I need to bring the Gokuh-ness to an end!!

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:11 pm

I'm glad this thread has made people respect him more. Tenshinhan is one of the coolest characters in my opinion. He's pretty deep. I mean, he's so badass.

Kame-sen'nin: "No!! Goku will never beat him with a kamehameha!!
Kuririn: "But it's Goku...! What if he has some super kamehameha up his sleeve?!!
Kame-sen'nin: "It won't matter...with Tenshinhan. The kamehameha itself doesn't work against him, no matter how powerful it is..."

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:11 pm

errr so this was just a worthless fan boy thread?

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:55 pm

er...have you only looked on one page there guy? There's a wealth of information.

Oh snap, check out this cool fanart I found. Put those two on equal powers, and this will become the outcome everytime. Skill>Power.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f219/ ... nwin-1.png

BRINGING THEM OVER_________________________________________________________________
Hi. I've been debating these topics for a LONG time in my online DB career, and I've put together many ideas, and evidence, what have you. If you'd like to add something, comment, or debate an idea, please go ahead. I'm not biased as both Tenshinhan and Kuririn are in my top 3 favorite fighters. Although, I must admit, Tenshinhan is my favorite while Kuririn is #3. Piccolo is my second favorite by the way. Anyhow, my debate is this - Tenshinhan isn't considered a human, and is infact stronger than Kuririn. The whole ancestory thing has to do with Yamcha saying Kuririn is the strongest human fighter. I really didn't have to debate that part seeing as how Yamcha hasn't seen or sensed Tenshinhan's power in seven years, but it helps. Oh yeah, could someone verify if that interview with Toriyama happened? I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere legit, but my memory is not so good. Thanks. Also, some might not make good sense because some of it was aimed at certain debators in the past...Like someone tried to argue that Tenshinhan gave up training completely when he refused the ROSAT training in the Cell saga. Silly people. Oh yeah, by the way...I don't use the anime to back up anything. I use the Viz manga.

Tenshinhan's Ancestory
We have a scan from the Daizenshuu stating that Tenshinhan has ancestory from different race, and it obviously shows. No human has been shown to have 3 eyes, no human has been shown to grow an extra set of arms and no human has been shown to have the ability to make living, breathing clones. There's no other being we know of that could do that, not even Piccolo. Only Tenshinhan has those special abilities. Also take note of Roshi's reaction to Ten growing those arms. You can tell that in all his years he's never seen anything like it before, he was shocked, confused and seemed horrified. Tenshinhan is either a hybrid of his ancient ancestors and the human race, or he is of pure decent from his ancestory. We don't know, but we DO know that he is not a pure human. Saying otherwise would be an assumption and would be contradicted by manga proof and by the official Dragon Ball information database, the Daizenshuu. Akira Toriyama (apparently) was asked if Tenshinhan was human in a interview, and he (apparently) avoided the question by answering something else. Hmm...why would he do that? It's pretty easy to say "Yes, he is human". I'll try looking for the interview and I will try verifying if it's true. Here's the scan of ancestory for reference. Also, in the game 'Dragon Ball Z Tenkaichi Budokai' there is a wealth of very accurate information in bios of all the characters. Tenshinhan's states the following -

"As a descendant of aliens, his body possesses unique characteristics which he demonstrates often in the Dragon Ball series, such as the ability to split himself into four seperate fighters or sprout extra arms from his shoulders- unthinkable behavior as far as normal Earthlings are concerned."

Tenshinhan's Heavenly Training
This scan shows that all the fighters want training tougher than what Goku received. This scan shows that even at a much higher power levels, the gravity still affects them. This scan is about Tenshinhan's and Piccolo's extreme will to train. Tenshinhan also has a little speech to himself about how he will train. He's very serious about this training and he's training to defeat Goku once again. Thus meaning he would train his hardest in better training conditions than what Goku received. They are all stronger, so of course North Kaio would give them stronger training conditions. This scan shows the results of Piccolo's training, even thought he trained for a short amount of time. Read Nail's dialogue. In only a few days Piccolo's power increased in a very noticeable fashion. Piccolo knows he's much stronger and Nail greatly compliments his power. Regular Namekian warriors are around the 3,000 power level marking. Notice Nail's quote: "You have an astonishing amount of power." So common sense deems that Piccolo is going to be much more than 3,000. This shows that North Kaio is indeed training them harder. Their training doesn't have to be shown for us to know that it's happening, we know that North Kaio is training them harder than Goku just by that scan. North Kaio wouldn't have announced that they wanted to train harder and then just not let it happen. Especially with Piccolo and Tenshinhan around. Tenshinhan stayed longer than what Goku did, he always had sparring partners which in every case is good, he was trained harder by North Kaio, and he has an extreme will to train his hardest and do his best because he's training ro defeat Goku. Now Goku trained with Kami and Popo for three years. Tenshinhan trained with them for less than 6 months, yet he recieved a MUCH bigger boost in power. As the enemies kept getting stronger, Akira had to make the heroes get stronger. Tenshinhan would have recieved a huge boost in power from his training with North Kaio as other allies and enemies were getting stronger by every chapter.

Tenshinhan's Android Training
He returned to the mountains to train with Chiaotzu while Kuririn trained by himself at Kame House. So let's compare some things. Tenshinhan's persona about training is much more serious than Kuririn's, that's just a fact. Like stated before, Tenshinhan trained with a partner for three years while Kuririn trained by himself. Being in the mountains, there's no distractions from training. I'm sure Tenshinhan would have trained, ate, slept, woke up and trained again. There's no way that Chiaotzu could spar with Tenshinhan right? Wrong. Gohan sparred with Piccolo and SSj Goku during the three years of training. There's many ways that he could have helped Tenshinhan with his psychic abilities anyhow. All the fighters besides Vegeta were training regularly on Earth during this saga. Now why would they train like that if regular Earthly training didn't affect them? Surely if the 10x gravity on Kaio's planet barely affected Tenshinhan anymore, then regular Earth training wouldn't have any affect at all. That’s to counter people saying that Tenshinhan couldn’t have received much good from his training with North Kaio because he was too strong for the gravity. Yet we see the results of their training. Gohan turned SSj pretty quickly in the ROSAT, thus meaning his base power should have improved very significantly from his Earthly training with Piccolo and Goku. Piccolo could take on Gero by himself, surprising nearly everyone, SSj Goku was strong as hell, and Tenshinhan held down Cell with his ki. Here's the only scan of Tenshinhan during that training.

The Android Threat
The fact of the matter here is that Goku picked both Tenshinhan and Piccolo over Kuririn to help him with the androids. Yamcha is nearly dead and the two androids the group trained so hard for are right in front of them. They trained their asses off because of these two threats, so wouldn't it be common sense for Goku to pick the two strongest to stay with him just in case? Especially after hearing how strong they are from Trunks, and the fact that Goku couldn't sense how strong they actually were? Of course. Not only was Tenshinhan closer to Yamcha, but he was standing right next to Goku. So why is Goku going to turn and yell over at Kuririn to take Yamcha back? This scan shows it. Proof of Tenshinhan's strength can be seen with his neo tri-beam. That's the power of his ki raining down on Cell. Also, I'd like to show you these two scans for multiple reasons. First the scans: here and here. First off, look at their stances in the first scan. They were all ready to fight the androids. This supports my assumption that Goku would have picked the two strongest fighters to stay, I mean...Isn't it common sense? Even if Goku didn't want them to fight, he'd want the strongest backup. Goku couldn't have known if the androids were going to attack them right there or not, thus why he picked the strongest to stay behind. The second scan shows Tenshinhan's new strength. Not only did he see Gero's attack coming at him, but he also dodged it with Goku. I'm not saying he was around base Goku's strength, but he has to be pretty strong to do those things. Now…Trunks, Tenshinhan and Kuririn arrive where Piccolo is after his skirmish with Imperfect Cell. A plan is made, one pair goes after Cell, while the other pair find Gero's lab with pupil Cell and destroys that. Trunks leads the team that will search for the lab because he knows where it is, and knows what's going on in this situation, and it's his sole duty to stop the threat of Cell in this timeline. Piccolo leads the team that will try to find Imperfect Cell. Piccolo has to pick between Tenshinhan and Kuririn. He'd pick the better, stronger choice to help him track down Cell, right? Of course he would. Cell is extremely strong and dangerous. Again, that seems like common sense to me. Well, anyways...Do you remember who Piccolo picked? Check it out right here. Oh yeah, now look at this scan. It seems that Tenshinhan wants to help pretty badly, doesn't it? The reason he didn't go into the ROSAT near the end of the android saga saga was because only the Saiyans had a chance against Perfect Cell. He STILL wouldn't have been able to help in any way even if he went in the ROSAT, thus why he didn't. He knew that the Saiyans were the only chance, and he knew that he would die anyways if they failed. Once again, the Saiyans were the only chance for this last battle. The lives of everyone hung on their shoulders. If they failed, then everyone would parish. There was no need for him to train for this final battle with Cell. That however does not mean he quit training for the rest of his life. That is an absurd thought and there is no proof to back up that statement.

Tenshinhan's During Those 7 Years After Cell
Krillin and Yamcha are both known to have settled down completely after Cell's death. Krillin because of his family to be, and Yamcha because he just didn't like fighting anymore. Krillin and Yamcha both hung up there martial arts training gis as shown, but Tenshinhan didn't. As for his training regimes not being shown, why would they? He told the others he wouldn't even see them again, so why would Akira show anything about him? Then again, they never really showed his training methods to begin with. Let's focus on the main training first. Did they show his training with Master Shen? Nope. Master Roshi? Nope. Kami and Popo? One scan. North Kaio? Nope. Okay, now what about his other training sessions? How about the timeline from DB-DBZ? Nope. How about that intense 3 years of training? Besides that manga cover I already shown, nope. It never shows him training in the manga like the others IE Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Goku...because he is a minor supporting character. It's the same with Yamcha and Kuririn. Now, for some proof. Tenshinhan is shown in rocky area with his shirt off, in his martial arts clothing and is sweating. From my perspective it's obvious that he was training. The only other option would be that Tenshinhan sensed the energy attacks coming towards him, quickly threw off his cape and martial-arts robe for some reason and dodged the little, weak ki attacks meant for humans and sweated while dodging one of Buu's ki beams. One ki beam was meant for Choutzu and the other one was for Tenshinhan. Honestly, if Choutzu could dodge it then Tenshinhan would have no problem.Here’s the scan for reference.

Miscellaneous
1. Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn
If Kuririn was stronger, Tenshinhan would have had a little comment about it. He was training to surpass Goku afterall. When the androids appear he complains that he doesn't like how strong Piccolo and Vegeta have become. Well, wouldn't he say something about the little monk? Tenshinhan has always been stronger than Kuririn. Then one day Kuririn somehow surpasses him and Ten doesn't say anything about it...? The thing is, he didn't say anything even close to hinting it, and Tenshinhan probably has the second most pride next to Vegeta. This is not exactly evidence, but more of a personality trait, and something I'm pretty sure would have happened if Kuririn was indeed stronger, which I think I proved he wasn't.
2. Goku's Ancestory in 'Dragon Ball'
People considered Goku human in 'Dragon Ball', so they probably considered Tenshinhan human as well. Not at all. The manga holds the anime of DB and DBZ, and is called "Dragon Ball". Thus, we later discovery down the line of the manga that Goku is infact NOT human. This however never happened with Tenshinhan. Besides, people were always shocked when Goku showed off his tail, or turned into a giant monkey. They were the same shocked looks like when Tenshinhan split, or grew extra limbs. I'm pretty sure they knew Goku wasn't 'normal'. I also remember quotes like "what is he?" many times in the manga.
3. How strong and excellent of a fighter is Tenshinhan?
Tenshinhan should be use to comments about his strength and technique, as almost every fighter who fights him or at least witnesses him fight gives him at least one good comment. Even the strongest villian in the Dragon Ball manga seems to be impressed about his skill as seen here. As you can see, Boo says Tenshinhan is a "legendary fighter". Boo's knowledge of Tenshinhan should be derived from Piccolo as well, thus making this statement that much better. Kuririn gets get comments as well of course, but as the series progresses, no one even really comments about him anymore.

EDIT
If you want to take DBGT into account, then it once again points to Tenshinhan being stronger. Not only is Tenshinhan still in peak condition, but it looks like he hasn't aged AT ALL. Plus it helps that it looks like he was training when pans to him in GT.

Tenshinhan
Kuririn

Here's the reactions of everyone, plus some unscanned quotes. This is to counter his abilites being 'normal', or 'human' and the huge assumption that these techniques could be used by anyone. This is simply not true.

After Tenshinhan's Four Bodies technique -
Announcer: H-How bizarre...there appear to be four Tenshinhans!!! How can this be...?!!!
Kuririn: "I've never seen anything like this...! Tenshinhan is beyond belief...!!!"

After Tenshinhan's Shiyo-ken -
Announcer: H-How did he do this...?! It's unb-believable...!! Is it sleight of hand...?!!!

Notice everyone's facial reactions. Even the animal people.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f219/ ... bodies.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f219/ ... urarms.jpg

Yeah, yeah, I mixed up the file names. I'm too lazy to fix them.

Okay, first off, the Shiyo-ken. The announcer must have seen many weird and unsual things in his time, right? Then why is he freaking so much? It's because what Tenshinhan just did is NOT normal. The announcer has seen giant monkeys and wolfmen as well. Also, Roshi in all his prime hasn't seen anything like this. He's old, yet he's freaked out. Look at the man's face! He's seen demons before!

Secondly, the four bodies technique. Same thing with the announcer guy. He freaks out. The main thing here is Piccolo, who was a demon at this point seems shocked. Piccolo shocked? Is this normal? Umm...no. Also, does anybody know what Shishin means? Tenshinhan calls this the Shishin "Four Bodies" move.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:25 am

Oh snap, check out this cool fanart I found. Put those two on equal powers, and this will become the outcome everytime. Skill>Power.

If skill>power, then why would he need equal power to win?

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:06 am

I was saying in general that skill(representingTenshinhan)>power(representing Broly). You can have all the skill you want, but you won't be able to beat Broly because...he's lame.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:10 pm

I disagree with a couple of your points, DM.

1. Krillin had already been revived by Shenron, if he got killed, they couldn't bring him back. Tien had been revived, but by Porunga, so Shenron could still revive him. That is reason enough to send Krillin away.

2. Tien just grew two extra arms/split himself into four. Of course people are going to be shocked, simply because it's a unique move. People were shocked when Goku used the Kamehameha at the 21st (?) tournament. People were shocked when Goten and Trunks started flying in the Buu Saga tournament. People were shocked when Goku 'vanished' at the 22nd tournament. Reactions don't mean much.

Could those techniques be done by anyone? Sure, why not? The Kamehameha was supposed to take 50 years to learn at first. It's not that nobody else can use those moves, it's that they have no reason to. The 4-bodies move is worthless and the 4-arms isn't much better.

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:26 pm

Serouisly i think you created this thread to promote tien and make more fanboys out of the character ,First the fan art is inaccurate tien would have lasted really less then gohan as a kid aginist brolly, the three eyes is symbolism goku's tail was symbolism before toriyama made the saiyan stuff,the four arms was a technique, the split body is a technique that was used by krillin and piccolo aginist nappa so its not a alien attack, what would it matter IF?? IF??? we was a alien? it wouldnt make a difference and he still wouldn't be as strong as the others,I'd like you to read the "but one kick felled him"

i'd like to include that were going into a circle in this topic
Person X(DM) States something, Person Y states something aginist it ,Person Z supports Person X(DM), Person W supports Person Y.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:01 pm

Synthe wrote:serouisly i think this was just a stupid fanboy thread,And that fan art is stupid Tenshinhan would have lasted REALLY LESS then gohan(kid) aginist brolly. The three eyes was symbolism,the four arms was a techinque also the four bodies thing was a technique krillin and piccolo was able to do it aginist nappa. what difference does it make IF he was a alien? he isnt going to be stronger then the rest of the characters. For buu's comment read the "but one kick felled him".

Also we keep going into a circle in this topic
Person X(DM) States something, Person Y states something aginist it ,Person Z supports Person X(DM), Person W supports Person Y.

By your statements you seem like a smart guy...so please make effort to write properly if you don't want Mike to get upset.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:03 pm

The bottom line is that there's no evidence to support the daizenshuu's claim that Ten is of alien ancestry. If you choose to take the daizenshuu as unshakable fact, then you must believe Ten is an alien.

Yes, there are many reasons to not take everything in the daizenshuu at face value. Yes, much of what is in the daizenshuu was not written by Toriyama. Yes, that means it's as reliable as anything other 'official information' not written by Toriyama. Yes, that means filler. Yes, that means that if Ten is an alien, then Yamcha could kick Recoome's ass.

Rocketman brings up good points about the budokai reactions - Ten did weird stuff. People were surprised. Lots of people do weird stuff, they aren't aliens.

Oh, and Ten is stronger than Krillin. I don't know how anyone could think the opposite. The only time Krillin might have become stronger was when he recieved the power up on Namek - but Ten was training with King Kai at the time, so that's really a bit of a toss-up.

Oh, and Synthe - a lot of what you say is true, but you don't have to be a jackass about it.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:22 pm

Synthe wrote:Serouisly i think you created this thread to promote Tenshinhan and make more fanboys out of the character ,First the fan art is inaccurate Tenshinhan would have lasted really less then gohan as a kid aginist brolly, the three eyes is symbolism goku's tail was symbolism before toriyama made the saiyan stuff,the four arms was a technique, the split body is a technique that was used by krillin and piccolo aginist nappa so its not a alien attack, what would it matter IF?? IF??? we was a alien? it wouldnt make a difference and he still wouldn't be as strong as the others,I'd like you to read the "but one kick felled him"

i'd like to include that were going into a circle in this topic
Person X(DM) States something, Person Y states something aginist it ,Person Z supports Person X(DM), Person W supports Person Y.

Your trying to sound smart without saying much. I'm familar with the works of Dennis Miller. Shut up, you.

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:26 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Synthe wrote:Serouisly i think you created this thread to promote Tenshinhan and make more fanboys out of the character ,First the fan art is inaccurate Tenshinhan would have lasted really less then gohan as a kid aginist brolly, the three eyes is symbolism goku's tail was symbolism before toriyama made the saiyan stuff,the four arms was a technique, the split body is a technique that was used by krillin and piccolo aginist nappa so its not a alien attack, what would it matter IF?? IF??? we was a alien? it wouldnt make a difference and he still wouldn't be as strong as the others,I'd like you to read the "but one kick felled him"

i'd like to include that were going into a circle in this topic
Person X(DM) States something, Person Y states something aginist it ,Person Z supports Person X(DM), Person W supports Person Y.
Your trying to sound smart without saying much. I'm familar with the works of Dennis Miller. Shut up, you.

No i just changed the post because of complaints.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:31 pm

Rocketman wrote:1. Krillin had already been revived by Shenron, if he got killed, they couldn't bring him back. Tenshinhan had been revived, but by Porunga, so Shenron could still revive him. That is reason enough to send Krillin away.

I doubt Goku had enough time to think of that. Yamcha was pretty much dead. It was instantaneous, he yelled for Kuririn to get Yamcha out of there fast. It doesn't much time or thought to figure out who was stronger, Kuririn or Tenshinhan though. And he would have wanted the stronger one to stay. But it is a possibility.

Rocketman wrote:2. Tenshinhan just grew two extra arms/split himself into four.

"Just"...? No one else has those abilities, not even Piccolo. Piccolo was shocked when he saw Ten split. Piccolo was a demon back then.

Rocketman wrote: Of course people are going to be shocked, simply because it's a unique move. People were shocked when Goku used the Kamehameha at the 21st (?) tournament. People were shocked when Goten and Trunks started flying in the Buu Saga tournament. People were shocked when Goku 'vanished' at the 22nd tournament. Reactions don't mean much.

Shocked is fine, but horrified is different. All those examples don't work as well. Regular Earthlings will be shocked by anything...But this is Goku, Kame-sen'nin, Kuririn and Piccolo that were shocked and/or horrified. That's way different. Especially for Kame-sen'nin who has lived long and seen many things, including demons. Kame-sen'nin even knew about the forbidden kiko-ho.

Rocketman wrote:Could those techniques be done by anyone? Sure, why not?

Why not? Because there's absolutely no evidence to believe it.

Rocketman wrote:The Kamehameha was supposed to take 50 years to learn at first. It's not that nobody else can use those moves, it's that they have no reason to. The 4-bodies move is worthless and the 4-arms isn't much better.

Tenshinhan said the kamehameha was simple to learn, and it is. Goku, Kuririn and Yamcha also learned it fast, and they barely even saw it. I'm not going to buy into the thought that anyone can grow extra arms or split, but they don't just want to. That doesn't make sense, those are special abilities, not ki techniques. The four-bodies is not useless, not everyone is as keen as Goku. He got pounded pretty good by the first split attack, he couldn't even dodge it with his speed. How is having two extra arms useless?

Synthe wrote:Serouisly i think you created this thread to promote Tenshinhan and make more fanboys out of the character

Seriously, I couldn't care less what you think.

It's not my fault you can't read, or are too lazy to look in this thread. I mean, I already went over that the technique that Kuririn and Piccolo used against Nappa, and it was NOT the 12 eyes technique, and it's filler. READ. Before you even say it, Cell using it was filler as well.

Synthe wrote:I'd like you to read the "but one kick felled him"

He's SUPER BOO. One kick WILL fall him and nearly everyone else. That's not the point, the point you seem to be missing is that Super Boo called Tenshinhan a legendary fighter. He got a great comment from the ultimate enemy. That's worth scanning and quoting. You also missed the point of the fanart. Tenshinhan is a much better fighter than Broly could ever dream of.

I'm still not going to compare filler to the Daizenshuu. It doesn't work.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:31 pm

This is as good a time as any to mention fanboy is a hack word. If you have used it more than five times ever, you are probaley a douche.

The fact Tenshinhan was able to hold back Cell, is more than enough to show he was more powerful than Kuririn. Goku and Piccolo both viewed him as an equal. It was Tenshinhan who bowed out of taking a turn in the Room of Space and Time.

I'm still not going to compare filler to the Daizenshuu. It doesn't work.

Yes one is an actual episode of he tv series. The other is a source book. Anime out ranks source book.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:41 pm

Synthe, to say fanboy makes it sound like all Drunken Master is doing is making it sound like Tenshinhan is the greatest character in the series. He isn't doing that at all. He is expanding some knowledge on the man and also getting some answers that a majority of us didn't have a clear explanation for. I can't spell. I can admit that half of the points in this thread, and a few other Tenshinhan threads, are new to me thanks to contributors like Druken Master and Kihoko. There's nothing to complain about there.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:41 pm

Reliable information isn't as good as filler-filled anime?

Sorry for the quotes in the other post, it just keeps me more organized, and I like that. I used to fear quotes back in the day.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:00 pm

No I'm sorry but its not. The anime is an actual episode. The source book was something rubber stamped by Toriyama.

Also the source book is hardly reliable. Just for pulling stuff like Tenshinhan is an alien out of their ass. If it was reliable they would stick to things that were in the manga or anime (that isn't contradictiory).

Books like that are fun to look at and read. But should not be used when it comes to things like giving new origins to established characters.

As an aside I think giving Tenshinhan any kind of origin ruins the character. Whats fun about him is the mystery behind him. Anything more than he is the Crane Hermit's star pupil is a waste.

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:00 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Synthe, to say fanboy makes it sound like all Drunken Master is doing is making it sound like Tenshinhan is the greatest character in the series. He isn't doing that at all.

"Haha. That's probably what happened. Screw Vegeta, I always wanted to know where Tenshinhan was in the Garlic Jr. movie AND 'saga'. That just never sat well with me. Or how about movie #2? The World's Strongest? Tenshinhan beat Roshi and Goku and was another level above Kuririn. He was one of the world's strongest!

Yes, yes. I'm a fanboy." - Drunken Master.

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?p=80178#80178

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:02 pm

Synthe wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Synthe, to say fanboy makes it sound like all Drunken Master is doing is making it sound like Tenshinhan is the greatest character in the series. He isn't doing that at all.
"I'm glad this thread has made people respect him more. Tenshinhan is one of the coolest characters in my opinion. He's pretty deep. I mean, he's so badass. "

Yup, you're right. This whole thread is based on that one personal, opinionated comment. You're a clever one you are!

EDIT
Now you're being retarded. Yeah, I am a fanboy of Tenshinhan. He's my favorite Dragon Ball character. Hmm, I'm betting that maybe, just maybe that Mr. Piccolo is a Piccolo fanboy...? That doesn't make us ignorant like you, or make this thread which obviously isn't some "OMG Tenshinhan is the best" thread you seem to hope it is, so you don't look stupid in the end. The fact that you searched a different thread to find something to support how this thread is fanboy material boggles my mind. Tenshinhan should have been in the World's Strongest because...hmm, I don't know...He was one of them. OH NOES! I'm an ignorant fanboy!

Have you read this thread? Have you?

-Is Tenshinhan human?
-Is the Daizenshuu reliable?
-Is Tenshinhan stronger than Kuririn?

Those are and still are being discussed, and are the main points of this thread. I wanted to hear everyone's opinions, see if they could bring something new up in a debate, or add something I forgot. I put a lot of time in my main post with all that information, thus why you're making yourself look bad in front of all these fine members. This thread has many views and replies, and you're the first and last to say or even thing something like this

Synthe wrote:Serouisly i think you created this thread to promote Tenshinhan and make more fanboys out of the character

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:30 pm

desirecampbell wrote:The bottom line is that there's no evidence to support the daizenshuu's claim that Ten is of alien ancestry.

That would be the bottom line if extra evidence was actually needed.
You're just claiming it is. "Because." There's "a rule."

that means it's as reliable as anything other 'official information' not written by Toriyama.

Again, just because Toriyama doesn't write databooks (not his job, duh), that doesn't mean he doesn't contribute information for them.

You're just assuming that particular information doesn't come from him and isn't endorsed by him in any way. When you really don't know.
You've already said that it is just plain wrong. When you really don't know.

Yes, that means filler.

Again:

The purpose of anime filler is to buy time.
The purpose of a databook is to provide information.
The purpose of comparing these two is... to try and convince people by a sleight of hand?

Victator Supreme wrote:one is an actual episode of he tv series. The other is a source book. Anime out ranks source book.

Well, damn. Moses never told us about that law.

the source book is hardly reliable. Just for pulling stuff like Tenshinhan is an alien out of their ass.

So they're wrong about that because they're unreliable because they're wrong about that?
'Makes sense.

If it was reliable they would stick to things that were in the manga or anime (that isn't contradictiory).

1) I can't think of anything "contradictory" about Tenshinhan descending from aliens. But if you can, please tell.
2) It's called an ura settei, and it's not unusual at all. Lots of databooks tell you stuff that isn't in the series itself.

Books like that are fun to look at and read. But should not be used when it comes to things like giving new origins to established characters.

Er... What do you think they are? Novels?
They're databooks. Guides. Of course they're supposed to provide reliable information.