I agree with that: our Trunks seems to be much wiser than the other one, so maybe he'd just forget about the ol' time-travelling business?Akira wrote: So, basically, I am with you on your explanation up until the very end, where I disagree with your statement and last branch. I don't believe Trunks went back again, if anything he sealed the Time machine away or destroyed it outright to prevent any further tampering with time.
my head explodes. Whoah, whoah, whoah-Terra-jin wrote: You could say that the timelines are split, not copied when Trunks returns there. In this case, jumps 1A, 1C and 1E are the same.
However, it is my belief that timelines are separate dimension in which the past is copied, as well.
We've gotten pretty far with this. All we have to do now is to find out whether the common past shared by two different timelines is one 'place' or two separate, but perfectly equal places.
This is getting interesting!
I have a question....exactly what are you basing this theory off of? Like what makes you believe this as the truth?desirecampbell wrote:He always jumps to either his own timeline (in the event of a timemachine's first jump) or whatever timeline he was just from. And always creates a new timeline that offshoots that one. So he never goes back to the same timeline. Everytime he 'jumps' he goes into the timeline
Timelines are hard.
) is that Trunks wouldn't go back to 763 because it would be of no benifit to anyone, and would mean another sad Bulma ("where's my son?").
Well, he is going back to the same timeline, but he's always creating new timelines when he does. So he does and he doesn't.Great Saiyaman wrote:Well I disagrre, though each time jump is stated to make new dimensions, it's not stated that he isn't going back to the same timelime. I guess it's all in the way you interprit it.
So that's why you think that....I don't feel that way, I feel that Trunks knew what was going on from the start. I mean he did say his mother wanted a timeline to be in peace.Trunks started off trying to stay in the same timeline not jump to separate dimensions/timelines.
But Trunks says he wasn't expecting to create new timelines. He's shocked when he realises that he's creating new timelines instead of just changing the same one. We know he didn't know he was going to different timelines.Great Saiyaman wrote:So that's why you think that....I don't feel that way, I feel that Trunks knew what was going on from the start. I mean he did say his mother wanted a timeline to be in peace.Trunks started off trying to stay in the same timeline not jump to separate dimensions/timelines.
Not entirely. Trunks apparently says "I just realized", but that's not absolute confirmation, as its meaning is kind of up to interpretation. I interpret it as him meaning something like "come to think of it..." or, "now that you mention it". He knew about it before, but at the time, he was caught up in his theory about destroying the Androids in to past, and he realized he wasn't thinking straight thanks to Gohan. Something could be lost in translation here, too. A phrase like "souieba" could probably be translated into either of my interpretations or the "I just realized" translation (though I'm just speculating, and have no idea what it actually is). The literal word "realize" may not be in there.desirecampbell wrote: But Trunks says he wasn't expecting to create new timelines. He's shocked when he realises that he's creating new timelines instead of just changing the same one. We know he didn't know he was going to different timelines.
That's the "lazy Cell" conondrome. Either he never came out of the ground, or died, or something. I like the explaination that #16 was activated, had no Goku to fight and decided to live in the woods. He finds Cell and kills him. The bottom line is, we don't know. We just know he doesn't do anything in that timeline.You say that the Trunks-killing Cell went back in time, making a new timeline; namely, the series' Future Trunks's time. But why doesn't an alternate-timeline Cell appear in Future Trunks's timeline then?
Well, he seemed pretty shocked in the anime, but that might be another misinterpretation. Again, this timeline stuff is pretty difficult - there's not a lot of information to go on.Trunks apparently says "I just realized", but that's not absolute confirmation...
Swift wrote:Why did you abandon your old parallel timeline theory in which all timelines, no matter which point they were at, extended at the same rate? For example, if a year was spent in one timeline, a year would pass in every timeline as well. Thus why Bulma has to wait for Trunks to return to the future instead of him returning instantaneously. All the time he spent in the past passed in his future timeline as well, as I see it.
Swift wrote: I think this also creates a good explanation for why multiple timelines would not be created upon return trips to the future. If one goes as far along a timeline as it has extended, then because there's no decided future to change in that timeline, a new timeline would not be created. It would be the same as "altering" the present in real life without time travel; because the future is uncertain, there's nothing to really "alter".
But... I guess that's better than Bulma never seeing Trunks again. When did he say that?desirecampbell wrote:But Trunks says he wasn't expecting to create new timelines. He's shocked when he realises that he's creating new timelines instead of just changing the same one. We know he didn't know he was going to different timelines.Great Saiyaman wrote:So that's why you think that....I don't feel that way, I feel that Trunks knew what was going on from the start. I mean he did say his mother wanted a timeline to be in peace.Trunks started off trying to stay in the same timeline not jump to separate dimensions/timelines.
Huh? Why would he end up in his own timeline at that point? How could he, if his timeline had extended so far into the future already? I don't really get what you're saying. I believe that Trunks just waited three years in his timeline before going back to the past again, thus not making a new timeline since both past and future times had extended equally. I suppose it is a little odd he waited three years when the time machine takes eight months to recharge, but assuming he knew about alternate timelines beforehand, as I believe, maybe it was done on purpose to avoid another split.desirecampbell wrote:The time extending thing was one of the things I liked about the first theory, but can't fit. The new theory fits.
If time extended like the last theory, Trunks could not have made it back to see Goku in 767, he would have ended up in his own timeline.
I thought you did, in your first video. When time travelling, he goes along the "nearest" timeline that has already extended as far as he has set the time machine to go. Beyond that rule, he can't actually pick what time he goes to.Plus I could never explain why he could pick which timeline he went to (which we see he didn't know he was doing).
Hm... That's all too much speculation to me. There's absolutely nothing in the series or manga to indicate another Cell who died early in the future timeline. It's too bad, really; other than this one problem, I really think these theories have the potential to be true. I'll try and see if I can think of away around this...That's the "lazy Cell" conondrome. Either he never came out of the ground, or died, or something. I like the explaination that #16 was activated, had no Goku to fight and decided to live in the woods. He finds Cell and kills him. The bottom line is, we don't know. We just know he doesn't do anything in that timeline.
Yeah, that's true. But there are traces of evidence if you look hard enough, and it seems to me it all points to him knowing previously.Well, he seemed pretty shocked in the anime, but that might be another misinterpretation. Again, this timeline stuff is pretty difficult - there's not a lot of information to go on.
I agree on the last one, but the first one just isn't possible. I agree that there are only four timelines that matter or that we should care about. But you have to pose the question of if different timeline are made each time a person travels through time (did Trunks split the timeline when travelling to the past to the Androids' appearance?), and, if they don't, there's the question of what causes some to create new timelines and others to not, and which do and don't. Also, there's the problem of why you would go to a certain timeline when traveling and not another if multiple have been created. Look at it all, it doesn't seem possible to have it be as simple as just four timelines existing.I'd make a contribution to this thread. But it's utterly pointless. This thread will never go anywhere because too manypeople in it fail to grasp the concepts. I'll just outline two facts and leave it at that.
1) There are 4 time-lines, only.
2) Time-lines proceed at their own pace, they do not 'fast forward' just because you went into the future or they would rewind when you went into the past thus allowing you to change the future instead of making new time-lines.
It's really simple. If you enter the *END* of a time-line you don't split it. Thus, we have Trunks going back and spliting the time-line into two. Then trunks RETURNING to that same time-line, at the end, and not splitting it. We have Cell splitting a time-line. We have Trunks now returning to a future but not going to the end (because the Trunk in the no-Cell past already did that) and creating a 4th time-line. Boom, that's it.I agree on the last one, but the first one just isn't possible. I agree that there are only four timelines that matter or that we should care about. But you have to pose the question of if different timeline are made each time a person travels through time (did Trunks split the timeline when travelling to the past to the Androids' appearance?), and, if they don't, there's the question of what causes some to create new timelines and others to not, and which do and don't. Also, there's the problem of why you would go to a certain timeline when traveling and not another if multiple have been created. Look at it all, it doesn't seem possible to have it be as simple as just four timelines existing.
