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That first one isn't really what earning means.singsing wrote:
I mean, didn't Vegeta kinda earn his powers by simply being a Saiyan, living in 10x gravity his entire life, and then conquering planets and fighting wars for Freeza?
Simply being a Saiyan was supposed to be the same point as living in 10x gravity. Because he's a Saiyan he's naturally going to live in tougher gravity compared to Earthlings, which is training in and of itself.ImmaDeker wrote:That first one isn't really what earning means.singsing wrote:
I mean, didn't Vegeta kinda earn his powers by simply being a Saiyan, living in 10x gravity his entire life, and then conquering planets and fighting wars for Freeza?
Not that I get why these characters "earning" their power even matters, but that first one isn't earning things.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
It's still questionable, especially considering how easy power seems to come to a Saiyan even before the really ridiculous parody levels of power (Get hurt really bad? Stronger when you heal! Why even work for it, we've got portable hospitals!).singsing wrote: Simply being a Saiyan was supposed to be the same point as living in 10x gravity. Because he's a Saiyan he's naturally going to live in tougher gravity compared to Earthlings, which is training in and of itself.
Super Buu and Tao Paipai also had to. And Crane Hermit.godku23 wrote:Cell is really the only main villain that had to actually do things to get power.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Waitaminute, you're saying that's not how it happened?dbzfan7 wrote:I've never seen Ultimate Gohan overrated in power. The only time I've seen it is people who say he was equal to Bootenks, but lost due to mind games. But that claim is pretty rare.SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Don't get me wrong, Gohan is powerful. But people take it to a whole new level than it actually is (IMO).
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."
Gohan deserves it.
Not the Cell saga Vegeta. He at least trained to become a Super Saiyan and become who he is. Sure, you can say the Saiyan-Freeza Vegeta is stupidly powerful, but not the Cell saga one.RandomGuy96 wrote:Not really. He only lived in x10 gravity (his natural environment) for a few years, and then spent his entire life killing helpless weaklings.singsing wrote:I mean, didn't Vegeta kinda earn his powers by simply being a Saiyan, living in 10x gravity his entire life, and then conquering planets and fighting wars for Freeza?RandomGuy96 wrote: Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, and their henchmen would all beg to differ.
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
Hey, Vegeta earned his powers. He made a standard to live on.RandomGuy96 wrote:Daimao, Vegeta, Freeza, and their henchmen would all beg to differ.
Given how surprised Nappa felt with how nimble he was while flying indicates he's been living in that kind of environment for more than just a few years.Not really. He only lived in x10 gravity (his natural environment) for a few years, and then spent his entire life killing helpless weaklings.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Kakacarrottop wrote: That's the problem with the "Dragon Ball" fanbase, it's too divided. There's "FUNimation fanboys", "Kai fanboys", "Ocean fanboys", "Japanese fanboys", we need to stop attacking each other and realize we're all fans of the same thing.
Saiga wrote:Gandalf: Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them?
Goku: Yes, actually.
Gandalf: Oh. Neat.
Not really. Vegeta is the strongest of the saiyans, stated in the manga to have surpassed the king while he was a kid, and yet Vegeta stopped living on planet Vegeta when he was a kid because the planet blew up when he was a kid. So, the gravity from planet Vegeta was only a factor in his early life.singsing wrote:
Simply being a Saiyan was supposed to be the same point as living in 10x gravity. Because he's a Saiyan he's naturally going to live in tougher gravity compared to Earthlings, which is training in and of itself.
Why don't you say something on topic for once? You keep showing up and making random snide remarks that don't contribute to the discussion.ImmaDeker wrote:That first one isn't really what earning means.singsing wrote:
I mean, didn't Vegeta kinda earn his powers by simply being a Saiyan, living in 10x gravity his entire life, and then conquering planets and fighting wars for Freeza?
Not that I get why these characters "earning" their power even matters, but that first one isn't earning things.
If you're being serious with me, no. Bootenks was just significantly stronger than Gohan. They weren't close in battle power at all. If they were, then Gohan and Goku would be able to manage something without fusing. However the Elder Kaioshin said they both even together stood no chance.ZazamPow wrote:Waitaminute, you're saying that's not how it happened?dbzfan7 wrote:I've never seen Ultimate Gohan overrated in power. The only time I've seen it is people who say he was equal to Bootenks, but lost due to mind games. But that claim is pretty rare.SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Don't get me wrong, Gohan is powerful. But people take it to a whole new level than it actually is (IMO).
Not necessarily. I think Goku might be more of an annoyance than help in a battle like that...dbzfan7 wrote: If you're being serious with me, no. Bootenks was just significantly stronger than Gohan. They weren't close in battle power at all. If they were, then Gohan and Goku would be able to manage something without fusing. However the Elder Kaioshin said they both even together stood no chance.
Considering how much better Gohan is with Goku around, it'd be especially good if he's around. Or as others call it, when Goku is hand holding Gohan, he does way better.singsing wrote:Not necessarily. I think Goku might be more of an annoyance than help in a battle like that...dbzfan7 wrote: If you're being serious with me, no. Bootenks was just significantly stronger than Gohan. They weren't close in battle power at all. If they were, then Gohan and Goku would be able to manage something without fusing. However the Elder Kaioshin said they both even together stood no chance.
Gotenks-Buu completely dominated Gohan. In the manga, Gohan didn't even land one single hit on Gotenks-Buu.ZazamPow wrote: Waitaminute, you're saying that's not how it happened?
Yes. Yes. This was my exact reaction.ImmaDeker wrote:Huh, well, this should be an interesting discussion about the merits of various characters and --Top 3 underrated / overrated characters?
Nevermind.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:In terms of power?
JulieYBM wrote:Just like Dragon Ball since Chapter #4.Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
son veku wrote:CanadaMetalwario64 wrote:Where is that located?BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Kingdom Piccolo
