The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:43 pm

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Super Buu
Super Buu finger flicks

Janemba was barely ahead of (an arguably haxed) SSJ 3 Goku.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:45 pm

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Super Buu
Super Buu.

Goku was actually doing some damage against Janemba as a SSJ3, and maybe could have won if it weren't for Janemba's incredibly broken reality warping abilities. On top of that, Goku was scared to confront Super Buu, while he fearlessly took on Janemba. That says a lot.

I'd imagine Super Buu would absorb Janemba via Candy Beam.
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Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:49 pm

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Super Buu
Flips a coin. Boo wins.
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Post by Bullza » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:53 pm

Oozaru Baby vs Super 17
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Post by In Brightest Day » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:55 pm

Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Super Buu
According to a statement from Toei, transformed Janemba is even stronger than Hirudegarn (a character who stomped Chao Gohan, for those keeping track). SSJ3 Goku got the shit kicked out of him by Janemba, so I don't see reason for that statement to be a contradiction.

Super Buu is doomed unless he starts hurling insults.
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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:57 pm

That statement was removed. And didn't a producer say the next movie villain Goku fights is always stronger than the last? Goku was also uber haxed in Movie 13.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:05 pm

Bullza wrote:Oozaru Baby vs Super 17
Oozaru Baby stomps.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:37 am

If Freeza in his 4th form can be at SSjG tier after four months of training then would Freeza beat Buuhan in his second or third form after training?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:16 am

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Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Super Buu
According to a statement from Toei, transformed Janemba is even stronger than Hirudegarn (a character who stomped Chao Gohan, for those keeping track). SSJ3 Goku got the shit kicked out of him by Janemba, so I don't see reason for that statement to be a contradiction.
Incorrect. SS3 Goku put up a decent fight against Janemba. That statement is very much contradicted by the writer of both movie 12 and movie 13 saying that every foe Goku fights is stronger than the main foe of the last movie.
Janemba vs Super Buu
Super Buu wrecks Janemba on part of being way the hell stronger than SS Gogeta.
If Freeza in his 4th form can be at SSjG tier after four months of training then would Freeza beat Buuhan in his second or third form after training?
He could train for ten years and then go to his final form. Fat Buu would still finger-flick him.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:06 am

Fat Buu doesn't have fingers.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:07 am

Rocketman wrote:Fat Buu doesn't have fingers.
He can morph his body.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbgtFO » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:42 am

Don't the Buus have thumbs and index fingers at the very least?
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Post by Saiga » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:06 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:50% MSSJ Goku (CG) vs. SSJ Grade 3 Trunks (1st day RoSaT) vs. Kamiccolo (CG)

speed/skill/strain/stamina are all non-factors here, completely power wise
I don't know how to compare Trunks and Goku. I think it'd be rather close.

Piccolo would lose to either.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:08 am

Lord Beerus wrote:
Bullza wrote:Oozaru Baby vs Super 17
Oozaru Baby stomps.
He does? Weren't both of them on par with SSJ4 Goku?
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:46 am

Bullza wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Bullza wrote:Oozaru Baby vs Super 17
Oozaru Baby stomps.
He does? Weren't both of them on par with SSJ4 Goku?
Oozaru Baby was waaaaaayyy stronger than SSJ4 Goku. He would have killed Goku if it weren't for Majuub fucking up his insides.
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Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:27 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:50% MSSJ Goku (CG) vs. SSJ Grade 3 Trunks (1st day RoSaT) vs. Kamiccolo (CG)
speed/skill/strain/stamina are all non-factors here, completely power wise
Trunks is the strongest of the bunch, but if they want to Goku and Piccolo could team up to take him down before battling each other.
Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Super Buu
Super Janemba was officially cited as stronger than Hirudegarn.
HIrudegarn beat Gohan.
Gohan beat Evil Boo.

Thus Super Janemba BADLY beats Evil Boo. The only question is whether or not he figures out that Boo has to be entirely engulfed by a last and eradicated to be put down.
Bullza wrote:Oozaru Baby vs Super 17
Uh, I've never cared to compare GT powers, nor watched the show closely with an intent to do so, which means... *flips a coin*

Super 17 wins.
Hellspawn28 wrote:If Freeza in his 4th form can be at SSjG tier after four months of training then would Freeza beat Buuhan in his second or third form after training?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:33 pm

Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai; permanent Kaio-ken) vs. Goku (BoZ;no weights)

SSJ Kid Trunks (pre-ROSAT) vs. FPSSJ Future Trunks (Cell Games)

Pan vs. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai w/knowledge of ki and equal power level) *%100 GT logic-free*
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:41 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai; permanent Kaio-ken) vs. Goku (BoZ;no weights)
SSJ Kid Trunks (pre-ROSAT) vs. FPSSJ Future Trunks (Cell Games)
Pan vs. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai w/knowledge of ki and equal power level) *%100 GT logic-free*
— Does that "permanent Kaio-Ken" come with likewise permanent bodily stress and energy drain? If so, Ten's practically guaranteed to lose. If not, he has a good shot at winning.

— They're similar in power, but the elder Trunks is more skilled, experienced, and all-around capable in battle. So he wins.

— Taking away the GT Logic that would force Pan to lose by virtue of not being Goku... she still loses, because her Grandma's older, wiser, and a better fighter.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:46 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai; permanent Kaio-ken) vs. Goku (BoZ;no weights)

SSJ Kid Trunks (pre-ROSAT) vs. FPSSJ Future Trunks (Cell Games)

Pan vs. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai w/knowledge of ki and equal power level) *%100 GT logic-free*
- Goku wins. But Tien puts up a good fight
- Close fight, but I'd give it to Future Trunks as he is more wiser in combat that Kid Trunks who just loves to fuck around
- Chi Chi, well, kinda stomps Pan to be honest.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:52 pm

SSJ Kid Trunks (pre-ROSAT) vs. FPSSJ Future Trunks (Cell Games)
Neither of them are that great of fighters, but Kid Trunks has a noticeable power advantage, he wins. Post-RoSaT Kid Trunks effortlessly stomps.
Pan vs. Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai w/knowledge of ki and equal power level) *%100 GT logic-free*
Equal levels? Probably Chi-Chi.
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