Time Limit

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:06 pm

Ok, so I know that Torriama added in a one time limit to the Dragonballs around the Frieza saga, but I still have a question about it.

Is it possible to work around the time limit with a wish like: I wish that September 11 never happened or does it stay solid and unchanging.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:27 pm

Toriyama, not Torriama.

I don't understand your question.

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:36 pm

BrollysKin wrote:Toriyama, not Torriama.

I don't understand your question.

I dont' understand either.

Time limit to the Dragonballs?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:00 pm

I think he means the one year time limit to bringing people back to life.

Sept. 11 would probably be out of that limit.

Not to mention the time paradox...

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:18 pm

I don't think the Dragon has the abilities to alter time, so he wouldn't be able to return to the point before the death of a character- to prevent the death ever occurring (if that's what you mean

). Could you... explain more clearly?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:09 pm

He's talking about the 'time limit' on the Earth dragonballs. It was mentioned when they were going to "bring back everyone killed by Freeza and his henchmen" that Shenlong would only be able to bring back those that died within the last year. It's never stated that the dragonballs couldn't bring back someone from more than a year ago, the 'time limit' of one year is this one instance was only because there were so many people to bring back that it strained Shenlong's power - he just couldn't bring back too many people.

Future_trunks is asking if the dragonballs could affect a certain event that happen more than a year ago, if its scope was limited. The answer is 'yes' provided it is 'within the dragon's power'.

For the example, yes, Shenlong could bring back a few thousand people even if they died more than a year ago.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:19 pm

The time limit had something to do with people dying within the year of your wish. For an example, the wish for reviving those killed by Freeza and his men couldn't revive Bardock because he died long before.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:26 pm

Why is there this mindset that the one year limit was a special case? I've noticed people thinking this on this thread and a few others.

The dialogue said nothing about it being a special case, and it's apparently how the Dragonballs always operated.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:27 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:The time limit had something to do with people dying within the year of your wish. For an example, the wish for reviving those killed by Freeza and his men couldn't revive Bardock because he died long before.

Not really. It's never stated "If you're dead for over a year you can't be revived". It's simply implied that Shenlong can't bring back TRILLONS of people and thus could only revive those who died within the last year because going back further would give far too many people to revive. There's technically nothing stopping them from wishing back all the Saiya-jins killed when Freeza blew up their planet, other than them not wanting too.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:45 pm

Xyex wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:The time limit had something to do with people dying within the year of your wish. For an example, the wish for reviving those killed by Freeza and his men couldn't revive Bardock because he died long before.
Not really. It's never stated "If you're dead for over a year you can't be revived". It's simply implied that Shenlong can't bring back TRILLONS of people and thus could only revive those who died within the last year because going back further would give far too many people to revive. There's technically nothing stopping them from wishing back all the Saiya-jins killed when Freeza blew up their planet, other than them not wanting too.

Y'know, that possibly means there's some race that had their planet blown up by Freeza less than a year ago that were brought back to where it used to be...

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:45 am

Xyex wrote:There's technically nothing stopping them from wishing back all the Saiya-jins killed when Freeza blew up their planet, other than them not wanting too.

In Dragonball they mention this when the fighters killed by Piccolo are planned to be revived. Since Piccolo already have used the wish, the fighters can't be revived until within one year, and at that time they're degenerated.
That's why they were about to freeze them down, so I agree with your point. The only reason not to revive them after one year is them getting degenerated, but as we see, the more powerful Porunga uses to add bonuses such as restaturated bodies and clothes to those who he revives.

Xyex wrote:Y'know, that possibly means there's some race that had their planet blown up by Freeza less than a year ago that were brought back to where it used to be...

Poor aliens, they will suffocate! This confuses me. Didn't they ask Porunga to revive everyone Freeza had killed on Namek?

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:09 am

MartianOddity wrote:
Xyex wrote:Y'know, that possibly means there's some race that had their planet blown up by Freeza less than a year ago that were brought back to where it used to be...
Poor aliens, they will suffocate! This confuses me. Didn't they ask Porunga to revive everyone Freeza had killed on Namek?

No, they didn't. Porunga wasn't even there to ask. That was Shenlong they were entreating to do that. D:

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:23 pm

KinoFourpaws wrote: No, they didn't. Porunga wasn't even there to ask. That was Shenlong they were entreating to do that. D:

Stupid me, I totally forgot that. I'm getting old...

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:18 am

MartianOddity wrote:Stupid me, I totally forgot that. I'm getting old...

As old as the guy in your icon looks, you mean?

Just kidding.

And it is okay. I would be amazed if anyone remembered everything about Dragonball there is to know. ^^;

Speaking of which... what WAS the exact wording of that wish? I think it was to revive just the people Freeza had killed on Nameck, but if it's not...

Whoo... loophole. Hmm... *rubs chin thoughtfully*

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:32 am

KinoFourpaws wrote:Speaking of which... what WAS the exact wording of that wish? I think it was to revive just the people Freeza had killed on Nameck, but if it's not...

I believe it was "Revive those on planet Namek killed by Freeza and his men."

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:31 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
KinoFourpaws wrote:Speaking of which... what WAS the exact wording of that wish? I think it was to revive just the people Freeza had killed on Nameck, but if it's not...
I believe it was "Revive those on planet Namek killed by Freeza and his men."

Well, *I* believe the wish was to "revive those killed by Freeza and his men". I don't think the wish was directed to people only in Namek. Also, wouldn't Ten and the others be revived because at the time Nappa (and the saibiamen) was still, in a way, one of Freeza's men..?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:49 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
KinoFourpaws wrote:Speaking of which... what WAS the exact wording of that wish? I think it was to revive just the people Freeza had killed on Nameck, but if it's not...
I believe it was "Revive those on planet Namek killed by Freeza and his men."
Well, *I* believe the wish was to "revive those killed by Freeza and his men". I don't think the wish was directed to people only in Namek. Also, wouldn't Ten and the others be revived because at the time Nappa (and the saibiamen) was still, in a way, one of Freeza's men..?

Okay, now I'm curious! But I'm almost positive that when Mr. Awesome (Popo) made the wish, he made specific mention of Namek. Someone look this up!

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:58 pm

COPIED STRAIGHT FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Back on Earth, Kami and Mr. Popo have gathered all of the Dragonballs and with King Kai's help they devise a plan to bring back all who were killed by Frieza. Since this brings back Guru, King Kai telepathically asks him to wish all of those on Namek, except Goku and Frieza, back to Earth.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I'm not going to go looking for the blasted episode to watch it any time soon.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:38 pm

Mystic Jack wrote:COPIED STRAIGHT FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Back on Earth, Kami and Mr. Popo have gathered all of the Dragonballs and with King Kai's help they devise a plan to bring back all who were killed by Freeza. Since this brings back Guru, King Kai telepathically asks him to wish all of those on Namek, except Goku and Freeza, back to Earth.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I'm not going to go looking for the blasted episode to watch it any time soon.

uhhh... its wikipedia enough said

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:46 pm

future_trunks wrote:
Mystic Jack wrote:COPIED STRAIGHT FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Back on Earth, Kami and Mr. Popo have gathered all of the Dragonballs and with King Kai's help they devise a plan to bring back all who were killed by Freeza. Since this brings back Guru, King Kai telepathically asks him to wish all of those on Namek, except Goku and Freeza, back to Earth.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I'm not going to go looking for the blasted episode to watch it any time soon.

uhhh... its wikipedia enough said

... Or not. Not all the information in the DBZ Wiki is reliable. There's been discussion on a couple of threads about this.

And, well, if the wish was to just "revive everyone Freeza and his men killed" and Nappa counts as one of Freeza's men, then why DIDN'T Tenshinhan and the others get revived at that instant? If they had to be revived separately afterwards, it really takes credence from the idea that the wish wasn't just limited to people on Nameck...

(And, oh, future_trunks, I don't mean to offend you, but you're supposed to use proper grammar in the forums. Just so you know... ^^; )