Goku: the national hero?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:04 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Superman (the current incarnation and pre-Crisis Superman) has absolutly no limitations and does not get hurt - at all. Goku can't beat him because noone can. I've tried, oh how I've tried, to figure out some way for Goku to beat Superman, but he can't.

Watchoo talkin' bout, Willis? Superman can be hurt by nonconventional means. He's died before, because something (i.e. Doomsday) was strong enough to seriously injure him. And if you wanna count ki as a form of magic, which Superman can be affected and hurt by, then that would give Goku a definitive edge right there.

Please. Superman's definitely at the top level of raw 1337-n3$$, but he isn't any more "invincible" than any other superhero is, including Goku.

Wait, what's that, Sunny?

Sun_Wukong wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote: Nah. Goku would pwnzor Superman at SSj1 or higher. Even a lot of Superman fanboys agree with that (and yes, I've done a bit of reasearch on that). But that's another (future thread) topic altogether.
Dont start this please...

Superman and Goku are in two different universes, they're strength cant be measured equally. We dont know how strong an SSJ is compared to a Kryptonian. The argument cant work.

Alright, I know, I know. I'm... half-kidding. It's true that, for all their similarities, they're completely different. Both are cosmically superpowered to unbelievable levels, but neither of them is absolutely invincible. Honestly, I still think Goku's superior, at least at higher SSj levels, but it is still very much a pointless (while amusing) argument, and I'll drop it...

...for now...

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:33 pm

SHUT UP.

Batman wins, shhhhh

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:09 pm

I'm sorry if I helped spark this but please, no more Superman vs. Goku posts. Thank you...

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:50 pm

Aquaman did suck until a couple years ago, when Justice League came out on Cartoon Network. Thanks to that, Aquaman does not suck. Duo has spoken, all those who challenge will be smited with the great bologna. Bastards.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:39 pm

Duo wrote:Aquaman did suck until a couple years ago, when Justice League came out on Cartoon Network. Thanks to that, Aquaman does not suck. Duo has spoken, all those who challenge will be smited with the great bologna. Bastards.

I honestly have to second that. JL Aquaman was awesome. One of the few (2-part, I believe?) episodes that I really enjoyed.

EDIT: Just noticed; I have reached "OMG CRAZY REG" status, and that makes me happy. Not just because of the post count, but because I like this one!

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:56 pm

Congrats on your new status, Kaboom. And thanks to you a kitten has died, good job.

And Duo..

Aquaman did suck until a couple years ago, when Justice League came out on Cartoon Network. Thanks to that, Aquaman does not suck. Duo has spoken, all those who challenge will be smited with the great bologna. Bastards.

..we have problems.

-rick

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:03 pm

1. Aquaman does not suck. Dude is super strong and invulnerble and can control sea life. Hipster douches who bash Aquaman do suck.

2. A Superman vs Goku fight is highly unlikely. A writer would have to jump thru a ton of hoops to get the fight to even happen. For several reasons. From the fact that Superman doesn't enjoy fighting for fightings sake to Goku willl not attack an unwilling opponent.

Superman (the current incarnation and pre-Crisis Superman) has absolutly no limitations and does not get hurt - at all.

Superman (both pre and post Crisis can be injured). Post Crisis Superman does have limits to his power. Super Saiyans have shown that they have the power to destroy planets. So I think its safe to say they are on the leval of a Krpytonian. I would say a SSJ 3 is more powerful, but is balanced out by Goku not being able to keep the form very long.

Superman has also been shown to lose power in an extended fight. The fight with Doomsday took several hours, and Superman was nearly drained of his solar reserves at the end. So the question becomes what will last longer. Superman's power or Goku's ki.

I think the biggest factor is the fact Superman can survive in space. Now personally I think a Super Saiyan can survive in space. Goku and Frieza believed he couldn't, and I doubt Goku wanted to do a field test.

Goku would have an advantage in fighting skill. While Superman is a skilled brawler. Goku is a highly accomplished martial artist, trained by gods. He has been in serveral life and death battles that pushed him to the brink of death. While Superman has only been in that type of fight only once.

Basically it comes down to flip a coin because there is not really a wrong answer.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:36 pm

Why is this Superman v Goku discussion still going on?! Why!? *cries*

This thread has gone from 'how is Goku percieved in Japan? Like a popular icon?' to 'Superman v Goku' to 'Aquaman sucks'. I know Mike's going to shit all over this thread (and rightly so) so why don't we move this over to the Randomness board?

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:15 pm

Thank you very much DC, I've been looking the randomness board for a while now.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:23 pm

Why is this Superman v Goku discussion still going on?! Why!? *cries*

Because its Dragonball related. Maybe you do not want it to continue since your points were soundly thrashed.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:30 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:
Why is this Superman v Goku discussion still going on?! Why!? *cries*
Because its Dragonball related. Maybe you do not want it to continue since your points were soundly thrashed.

No, they weren't, but I won't get into it here. We can continue the discussion here.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:57 pm

Yes they were your argument was

Uh Superman would win, because he can't be hurt.

After which I and others sighted occasions when Superman had been hurt.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:36 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Yes they were your argument was
Uh Superman would win, because he can't be hurt.
After which I and others sighted occasions when Superman had been hurt.

No, you didn't. Pre-Crisis Superman can't be hurt. It's just that - he doesn't get hurt. Nothing ever causes him to become injured. Ever.

A SSj can destroy a planet, but Pre-Crisis Superman destroyed a solar system. One the other side of the galaxy. With an errant sneeze (yeah, exactly that happened). Goku's not quite that strong.

True, Superman loses power over time but he was engaged in a war, with gods, underground, for a thousand years without running out of power.

Superman's always been a "brawler" basically - but he did know some kind of "Super Kung Fu" or similar nonsense Pre-Crisis. Plus he could easily replicate Goku's technique from a few kicks (like he figured out a whole language from a few words).

We should really be having this discussion over there, before EX pops a blood vessel in his brain over it.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:02 am

Nobody was arguing pre Crisis Superman. Pre Crisis Superman works on a whole nother leval. Or in short his dial goes up to fifteen. But in all honesty DC abandoned this version of Superman sometime in the seventies. He would get hurt far more often. This discussion was about the post Crisis Superman. Who can very much be and has been hurt.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:44 am

Victator Supreme wrote:Nobody was arguing pre Crisis Superman. Pre Crisis Superman works on a whole nother leval. Or in short his dial goes up to fifthteen. But in all honesty DC abandoned this version of Superman sometime in the seventies. He would get hurt far more often. This discussion was about the post Crisis Superman. Who can very much be and has been hurt.

Oh what? Post-Crisis Supes is nothing. I assumed you were talking about Pre-Crisis Supes, that's the only way there's even a discussion. Post-Crisis Supes couldn't destroy a mountain for Christ's sake, he's nothing.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:23 am

Well we could spilt the difference and make it the Superman circa 1980.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:32 am

Couldn't someone make a red ki ball and drain Superman of his powers?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:33 am

Victator Supreme wrote:Well we could spilt the difference and make it the Superman circa 1980.

1980 is still considered Pre-Crisis (the "Crisis" here refers to "Crisis on Infinite Earths" which ended in 1986). After that Bryne revamped Superman into, basically, the strongest man on Earth, but no longer a god amongst gods. Each new writter has since increased his powers with every story (he can now survive the surface temperature of the sun, I believe, crush planets, and fly faster than light).

We should really be having this discussion over there. I like the discussion, it's just that untill Mike says otherwise, we should steer clear of this subject, as it has aroused his wrath before.

And you can't escape... his... wrath! (I love that so much

)

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:16 am

1980 he was no longer farting and destroying planets. DC had weakened him a great deal. He was stronger than the post Crisis Superman, but a great deal weaker than the Silver age Superman who was juggling planets.

I'll end the discussion here. Since like I said this (much like a Thor/Superman fight.) could be decided with a coin toss and neither side would be wrong.

KnightSword7 · Post by **KnightSword7** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:08 am

I didn't do it!!!

Kanzenshuu

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