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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:05 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:
ShadowWolf87 wrote: I suppose the many wins throughout the course of the series don't count.
Like? Nappa? Freeza goons? Android sidekick? Pui Pui? Sucker punch against Goku? lol

He couldn't even take down a Cell jr.
Like Android 19 who we saw wreck Goku, Manhandling Cell's 2nd Form, Guldo, Jeice, whooping on Ginyu in Goku's body, whooping on everyone on Earth...

Like if your criteria is never taking down a main villain, then pretty much everyone has a spotlight movie they deserve. lol
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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:10 am

Chuquita wrote:I'm not overly attached to wanting one of them to win; Vegeta'd be a good choice for the sake of him getting revenge, with Gokû it'd be good since he's one of the people Freeza is focused on tormenting (plus I'd like to see Gokû accomplish a win with his ssjg mode), but having them work together like how they worked together to beat Buu (though no genki dama this time) would also be good.

Woah, I haven't thought about the "double agent Vegeta" theory in a while. O_O
I've always personally seen the scenario going down as: Vegeta sees Goku get easily whooped, isn't stupid, "joins" Freeza to buy time, Goku's left for dead but recovers with aid from Beerus/Whis (Hence the "this is what you get for being soft" line) and then the two of them face him together.

Especially with the focus on Whis's training showing how out of sync they are... imagine the final fight might have them finally on the same wavelength and almost fighting as one.

Honestly would overall be a bit more satisfying, less convenient, and you don't really overtly tick off any part of your fanbase.

...or I say krillin slices him in half with a Kienzan for the ultimate troll ending. There's your revenge story. :lol:
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:11 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote:
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ShadowWolf87 wrote: I suppose the many wins throughout the course of the series don't count.
Like? Nappa? Freeza goons? Android sidekick? Pui Pui? Sucker punch against Goku? lol

He couldn't even take down a Cell jr.
Like Android 19 who we saw wreck Goku, Manhandling Cell's 2nd Form, Guldo, Jeice, whooping on Ginyu in Goku's body, whooping on everyone on Earth...

Like if your criteria is never taking down a main villain, then pretty much everyone has a spotlight movie they deserve. lol
Goku was sick against Android 19. Guldo, Jeice, and body swapped Goku are all goons. Cell's 2nd form is Cell's 2nd form, not him at his strongest, and Vegeta didn't win, as he let him go.

Yes, obviously I mean a major villain. Goku's done it. Gohan's done it. Goten's done it in a movie. Future Trunks did it against Mecha Frieza. Piccolo defeated Raditz. And then there's Pikkon.

Vegeta is arguably the 2nd most popular character in this franchise. Every other character that hasn't killed a major antagonist is irrelevant. People have demanded for Vegeta to have a major win for years. Goes without saying why people want him to finally shine in FnF now that these rumors are circulating.
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Post by ZazamPow » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:13 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote: I've seen nothing 'heavily implied' by promo material, tbh. I've seen people gleam assumptions from it, but the material itself doesn't really hint at this.

Especially with the last trailer having Freeza offer Vegeta command of his forces before he approaches Goku. I can see him playing a key role, a big one even, but I don't see him pulling off a win on his own.
The trailer had numerous direct parallels to the Freeza arc, but with Goku and Vegeta's roles switched. Now Goku is the one beaten and bloodied on the ground as Vegeta shows up and looks over him, and Freeza wouldn't offer Vegeta the role of his general if it didn't amount to something big in the plot. Like, it's this big moment where Freeza turns to Vegeta and says "Vegeta join my army!" and then he says "No!" and then Goku beats Freeza up. That would be weird.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:14 am

fadeddreams5 wrote:
ShadowWolf87 wrote: Like Android 19 who we saw wreck Goku, Manhandling Cell's 2nd Form, Guldo, Jeice, whooping on Ginyu in Goku's body, whooping on everyone on Earth...

Like if your criteria is never taking down a main villain, then pretty much everyone has a spotlight movie they deserve. lol
Goku was sick against Android 19. Guldo, Jeice, and body swapped Goku are all goons. Cell's 2nd form is Cell's 2nd form, not him at his strongest, and Vegeta didn't win, as he let him go.

Yes, obviously I mean a major villain. Goku's done it. Gohan's done it. Goten's done it in a movie. Future Trunks did it against Mecha Freeza. Piccolo defeated Raditz. And then there's Paikuhan.

Vegeta is arguably the 2nd most popular character in this franchise. Every other character that hasn't killed a major antagonist is irrelevant. People have demanded for Vegeta to have a major win for years. Goes without saying why people want him to finally shine in FnF now that these rumors are circulating.
So purely for the sake of pandering whilst everyone else doesn't deserve it because you think they're comparatively unpopular or irrelevant. Got it.

Least you're honest about it.
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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:15 am

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ShadowWolf87 wrote: I've seen nothing 'heavily implied' by promo material, tbh. I've seen people gleam assumptions from it, but the material itself doesn't really hint at this.

Especially with the last trailer having Freeza offer Vegeta command of his forces before he approaches Goku. I can see him playing a key role, a big one even, but I don't see him pulling off a win on his own.
The trailer had numerous direct parallels to the Freeza arc, but with Goku and Vegeta's roles switched. Now Goku is the one beaten and bloodied on the ground as Vegeta shows up and looks over him, and Freeza wouldn't offer Vegeta the role of his general if it didn't amount to something big in the plot. Like, it's this big moment where Freeza turns to Vegeta and says "Vegeta join my army!" and then he says "No!" and then Goku beats Freeza up. That would be weird.
Who says he says no? :twisted:
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Post by ZazamPow » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:28 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote:
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ShadowWolf87 wrote: I've seen nothing 'heavily implied' by promo material, tbh. I've seen people gleam assumptions from it, but the material itself doesn't really hint at this.

Especially with the last trailer having Freeza offer Vegeta command of his forces before he approaches Goku. I can see him playing a key role, a big one even, but I don't see him pulling off a win on his own.
The trailer had numerous direct parallels to the Freeza arc, but with Goku and Vegeta's roles switched. Now Goku is the one beaten and bloodied on the ground as Vegeta shows up and looks over him, and Freeza wouldn't offer Vegeta the role of his general if it didn't amount to something big in the plot. Like, it's this big moment where Freeza turns to Vegeta and says "Vegeta join my army!" and then he says "No!" and then Goku beats Freeza up. That would be weird.
Who says he says no? :twisted:
I don't know, character development? Personally I don't put much stock into double-agent Vegeta theory, it doesn't sound like something Toriyama would write.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:31 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:
ShadowWolf87 wrote: Like Android 19 who we saw wreck Goku, Manhandling Cell's 2nd Form, Guldo, Jeice, whooping on Ginyu in Goku's body, whooping on everyone on Earth...

Like if your criteria is never taking down a main villain, then pretty much everyone has a spotlight movie they deserve. lol
Goku was sick against Android 19. Guldo, Jeice, and body swapped Goku are all goons. Cell's 2nd form is Cell's 2nd form, not him at his strongest, and Vegeta didn't win, as he let him go.

Yes, obviously I mean a major villain. Goku's done it. Gohan's done it. Goten's done it in a movie. Future Trunks did it against Mecha Freeza. Piccolo defeated Raditz. And then there's Paikuhan.

Vegeta is arguably the 2nd most popular character in this franchise. Every other character that hasn't killed a major antagonist is irrelevant. People have demanded for Vegeta to have a major win for years. Goes without saying why people want him to finally shine in FnF now that these rumors are circulating.
So purely for the sake of pandering whilst everyone else doesn't deserve it because you think they're comparatively unpopular or irrelevant. Got it.

Least you're honest about it.
Ummm...because I think? Are you serious? lol.

Goku and Vegeta are the two most popular DBZ characters. You don't have to like either for that to be true.

But forget that fact. Vegeta is currently the 2nd strongest Z fighter (not including Beerus and Whis). He's always been in the Top 3 as far as strength goes. But he has never had a major victory, despite being the hardest worker when it comes to training and also being the most prominent character not named Goku or Gohan. Are you seriously going to compare characters like Krillin, Master Roshi, and Tien to Vegeta? Do I really need to explain why I would not want them to beat Frieza over him?
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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:32 am

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ShadowWolf87 wrote:
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The trailer had numerous direct parallels to the Freeza arc, but with Goku and Vegeta's roles switched. Now Goku is the one beaten and bloodied on the ground as Vegeta shows up and looks over him, and Freeza wouldn't offer Vegeta the role of his general if it didn't amount to something big in the plot. Like, it's this big moment where Freeza turns to Vegeta and says "Vegeta join my army!" and then he says "No!" and then Goku beats Freeza up. That would be weird.
Who says he says no? :twisted:
I don't know, character development? Personally I don't put much stock into double-agent Vegeta theory, it doesn't sound like something Toriyama would write.
I put less stock in the notion of Vegeta seeing Goku get whupped almost effortlessly and charging in there only to win just because. Besides, how would it be OOC for Vegeta to agree to go along with Freeza as a means of buying time to plan a means of taking him down? Provided he's not committing genocide again, I fail to see the problem.

But I don't see either of them wining this fight on their own.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:41 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote: Ruined his life by making him one of the top officers in his army, or ruined his life by killing off a people he never so much as hinted he missed?

I mean really, any and all reason for Vegeta "deserving" this stems from an idea that he had some kind of horrible life under Freeza, which he didn't. But he still planned to kill him and take his throne, essentially become him.
But Freeza betrayed his people and killed them all along with the planet to which Vegeta poured his out to Goku before he said, and was generally psychologically abusive (which is heavily implied in filler).
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Post by Bullza » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:43 am

Woah, I haven't thought about the "double agent Vegeta" theory in a while.
I was surprised to see so much speculation on that in the first place. I figure Frieza will ask him half heartedly to join him like he did with Goku back in the Namek saga, Vegeta will stare at Goku's downed body to keep the audience guessing but then he'd scoff at the idea.

I don't expect it to amount to anything significant at all, just a brief will he/won't he moment.

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Post by Big Momma » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:49 am

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Dyno wrote:Found Freeza's almost the whole body by Toriyama.

It looks like he still knows how to draw muscles... Then why the fuck he fucked with the Saiyans in Dragon Ball Minus? :x

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I think he made Bardock leaner in terms of muscles, to make him seem younger.

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And in one month, Bardock got older and bulked by performing a training as well? :lol:
I think you're looking too hard for an in-universe explanation when it's simply just that Toriyama's style has changed over the years.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:51 am

Toriyama's Golden Frieza really does look like a monkey. I wonder if that's intentional irony. lol.
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Post by ZazamPow » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:56 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote:
I put less stock in the notion of Vegeta seeing Goku get whupped almost effortlessly and charging in there only to win just because. Besides, how would it be OOC for Vegeta to agree to go along with Freeza as a means of buying time to plan a means of taking him down? Provided he's not committing genocide again, I fail to see the problem.

But I don't see either of them wining this fight on their own.
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Well we see that Freeza is very scuffed up, and Beerus implies that Freeza took advantage of Goku's naivety, so it seems like Freeza and Goku will actually be pretty close to each other. Then all Vegeta has to do is surpass Goku by a bit, and he can defeat Freeza. Not far fetched IMO. And it isn't out of character for Vegeta, just doesn't seem like a Dragon Ball story. Although Resurrection F already sounds like a spy movie, so hey, maybe Toriyama is going in that direction after all :P
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

Gohan deserves it.

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Post by Herms » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:57 am

Following the standard pattern, Bulma's blog has followed up its Tenshinhan post with a post featuring a comment from his current voice actor, Hikaru Midorikawa. I'm a bit tired, so I'll probably not get to it until tomorrow, but in short it seems like Tenshinhan gets some good bits in this movie, and that overall fans of the older characters (as in from earlier in the series) should like this film.
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Post by ZazamPow » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:59 am

Herms wrote:Following the standard pattern, Bulma's blog has followed up its Tenshinhan post with a post featuring a comment from his current voice actor, Hikaru Midorikawa. I'm a bit tired, so I'll probably not get to it until tomorrow, but in short it seems like Tenshinhan gets some good bits in this movie, and that overall fans of the older characters (as in from earlier in the series) should like this film.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

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ShadowWolf87 wrote: Ruined his life by making him one of the top officers in his army, or ruined his life by killing off a people he never so much as hinted he missed?

I mean really, any and all reason for Vegeta "deserving" this stems from an idea that he had some kind of horrible life under Freeza, which he didn't. But he still planned to kill him and take his throne, essentially become him.
But Freeza betrayed his people and killed them all along with the planet to which Vegeta poured his out to Goku before he said, and was generally psychologically abusive (which is heavily implied in filler).
>Heavily implied in filler
>Filler

It's filler bruh. In-canon doesn't indicate this. In-canon indicates Freeza actually treated him comparatively well, especially for a "dirty Saiyan". It's why the others were so bitter toward him.

I mean you don't think he was given a rank second only to Dodoria and Zarbon because Freeza hated him or wanted to abuse him, do you? And, as stated, Vegeta felt almost nothing for his people and their fate. He viewed their betrayal and Freeza's lie to be a personal slight.
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Post by ZazamPow » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:06 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
ShadowWolf87 wrote: Ruined his life by making him one of the top officers in his army, or ruined his life by killing off a people he never so much as hinted he missed?

I mean really, any and all reason for Vegeta "deserving" this stems from an idea that he had some kind of horrible life under Freeza, which he didn't. But he still planned to kill him and take his throne, essentially become him.
But Freeza betrayed his people and killed them all along with the planet to which Vegeta poured his out to Goku before he said, and was generally psychologically abusive (which is heavily implied in filler).
>Heavily implied in filler
>Filler

It's filler bruh. In-canon doesn't indicate this. In-canon indicates Freeza actually treated him comparatively well, especially for a "dirty Saiyan". It's why the others were so bitter toward him.

I mean you don't think he was given a rank second only to Dodoria and Zarbon because Freeza hated him or wanted to abuse him, do you? And, as stated, Vegeta felt almost nothing for his people and their fate. He viewed their betrayal and Freeza's lie to be a personal slight.
You're right. So Vegeta is actually the one who wronged Freeza, betraying and plotting to murder him for no reason. What an absolute shithead, even after his arc ends he's still proving himself the most evil guy around.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I swear, the Gohan fanboys won't be happy unless he just bends over and farts all of Freeza's men into the sun.
fadeddreams5 wrote: Honestly, this would only make me slightly satisfied. To make me happy, he'd also have to grab Freeza by the tail, drag him to the nearest toilet, and give him swirlies until he submits and calls him "daddy."

Gohan deserves it.

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Post by KaiserNeko » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:19 am

ShadowWolf87 wrote:>Heavily implied in filler
>Filler

It's filler bruh. In-canon doesn't indicate this. In-canon indicates Freeza actually treated him comparatively well, especially for a "dirty Saiyan". It's why the others were so bitter toward him.

I mean you don't think he was given a rank second only to Dodoria and Zarbon because Freeza hated him or wanted to abuse him, do you? And, as stated, Vegeta felt almost nothing for his people and their fate. He viewed their betrayal and Freeza's lie to be a personal slight.
Let's take a few steps back, actually.

Remember that Vegeta was the prince of his entire race. While he might not have felt much affection for his kin, it's reasonable to assume he had exceptional pride for them. He would never shed much of a tear at the death of, well, literally anyone else. But he himself admitted to his pride for his race being essentially stepped on by Freeza and he himself being humiliated by his forced servitude, and that it tortured and disgusted him greatly. Regardless of his position, he was a relatively low level warrior compared to the Ginyu Force, Dodoria, and Zarbon. Not even second rank, forced into servitude, and his entire race either in the same boat or killed off, all by one man? Yeah, he had every right to hold a grudge against Freeza. After his humiliating and utterly painful death at his hands, it would actually be dramatically appropriate for Vegeta to get to put him down once and for all. He's the one with the most history.
ZazamPow wrote:You're right. So Vegeta is actually the one who wronged Freeza, betraying and plotting to murder him for no reason. What an absolute shithead, even after his arc ends he's still proving himself the most evil guy around.
I honestly can't tell if you're joking. If you are, that's actually quite funny. If you're not...

... Freeza was a megalomaniacal tyrant who slaughtered and enslaved countless people, including Vegeta's race. While there might not have been any canon material present to use as an example of outright abuse toward him, Freeza enslaved, then subsequently destroyed, his entire race of people, and his home planet. Regardless of his lack of emotion during the Bardock special (of which, I might add, is suspect in terms of canonicity), he openly wept over it in front of Son Goku. It hurt him deep inside, and there's no justifying Freeza's actions.

Although, to be completely fair, they were all a bunch of evil, terrible assholes. But Freeza still had it coming regardless.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection '

Post by Sandubadear » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:25 am

fadeddreams5 wrote: Goku was sick against Android 19. Guldo, Jeice, and body swapped Goku are all goons. Cell's 2nd form is Cell's 2nd form, not him at his strongest, and Vegeta didn't win, as he let him go.

Yes, obviously I mean a major villain. Goku's done it. Gohan's done it. Goten's done it in a movie. Future Trunks did it against Mecha Freeza. Piccolo defeated Raditz. And then there's Paikuhan.

Vegeta is arguably the 2nd most popular character in this franchise. Every other character that hasn't killed a major antagonist is irrelevant. People have demanded for Vegeta to have a major win for years. Goes without saying why people want him to finally shine in FnF now that these rumors are circulating.
lol, it's incredible how I never noticed that Vegeta never killed a major antagonist. Even Krillin helped kill Bio-Broly.
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