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Ever thought about this?

Post by tx3 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:48 am

Goku killed his grandfahter as he transformed into an Ape.

so why did he never used the Dragonballs to bring him back ...i mean he literally killed him....he not even thought about it.

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Post by sayian_nation_ » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:54 am

tx3 wrote:Goku killed his grandfahter as he transformed into an Ape.

so why did he never used the Dragonballs to bring him back ...i mean he literally killed him....he not even thought about it.
Really? I remember Goku in Dragonball saying "now I understand why you left Grandpa" which under assumption I took as his grandfather had left to take care of something unknown. Thinking about it now, I don't know why I would think his grandfather left.

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Post by MarcFBR » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:55 am

A few issues.

At this point in Dragon Ball you need the person's body in reasonably good condition for the person to be brought back. Gohan had died awhile ago and was seemingly buried by Goku.

As far as I recall Goku is never actually aware he was the cause of Gohan's death.

Goku himself as a child believes his grandfather's spirit is in the ball. While it means his grandfather isn't with him as he knew him, it does mean his grandfather is with him as far as he's aware.

Later in the series Gohan actually comments he doesn't want to be brought back were they to get the chance (as I remember it anyways.)

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Post by Herms » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:56 am

At the tail end of the Red Ribbon arc, Upa says Goku should use the dragon balls to revive Gohan rather than Bora, but Gohan turns the offer down because he likes it in the afterlife (he's particularly fond of all the foxy ladies over there). It's true Goku never seemed to think up the idea on his own before then, but he seems rather at peace with Gohan being dead.
Saiyan_nation_ wrote:Really? I remember Goku in Dragonball saying "now I understand why you left Grandpa" which under assumption I took as his grandfather had left to take care of something unknown. Thinking about it now, I don't know why I would think his grandfather left.
There's no line like that in the manga, so if you're remembering accurately it must be a dub-only or anime-only thing.
MarcFBR wrote:At this point in Dragon Ball you need the person's body in reasonably good condition for the person to be brought back. Gohan had died awhile ago and was seemingly buried by Goku.
Technically Gohan's body is still in tip-top shape: he fights Goku with it at Uranai Baba's palace.
As far as I recall Goku is never actually aware he was the cause of Gohan's death.
He's unaware at first, but figures it out when Vegeta becomes an Oozaru.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:37 am

Isn't there a time limit on how long the person should be dead in order to be able to be wished back? Hence why only the Namekians and Vegeta were brought back to life on Namek as opposed to anyone who was ever killed by Freeza and his men?

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Post by Dayspring » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:30 am

They only know you can wish people back to life when they try it in the Piccolo saga. Prior to that, Goku learns that Gohan is happy in Heaven, so there'd be no point as of when they know it's possible.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:17 pm

Dayspring wrote:They only know you can wish people back to life when they try it in the Piccolo saga. Prior to that, Goku learns that Gohan is happy in Heaven, so there'd be no point as of when they know it's possible.
Well, they wish Bora back way earlier than that.
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Post by Dayspring » Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:48 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Dayspring wrote:They only know you can wish people back to life when they try it in the Piccolo saga. Prior to that, Goku learns that Gohan is happy in Heaven, so there'd be no point as of when they know it's possible.
Well, they wish Bora back way earlier than that.
Forgot about Bora, but they had to meet Gohan in order to find out the location of the Dragonball anyway, so the point still stands.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:06 pm

Its interesting that nobody has brought up that Goku didnt know about the Dragon Balls until Bulma told him. And even then they never knew that it could resurrect people until much later.

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Post by Dayspring » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:23 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Its interesting that nobody has brought up that Goku didnt know about the Dragon Balls until Bulma told him. And even then they never knew that it could resurrect people until much later.
Nobody? Really? Did you read the thread?
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Post by MarcFBR » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:06 pm

Herms wrote:
MarcFBR wrote:At this point in Dragon Ball you need the person's body in reasonably good condition for the person to be brought back. Gohan had died awhile ago and was seemingly buried by Goku.
Technically Gohan's body is still in tip-top shape: he fights Goku with it at Uranai Baba's palace.
It was actually mentioned it was his original body? Interesting. Wasn't aware of that.

I wonder if it was preserved or if Baba restored it somehow...
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Re: Ever thought about this?

Post by tx3 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:38 am

vegeta came back even after his body was destroyed, so there is that

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:45 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Isn't there a time limit on how long the person should be dead in order to be able to be wished back? Hence why only the Namekians and Vegeta were brought back to life on Namek as opposed to anyone who was ever killed by Freeza and his men?
Yes and no. There is a time limit of a year, but only on large groups of people. The wish in the Freeza Arc is made to revive all those killed by Freeza and his men, we learn that only those in the last year will be revived. Presumably this isn't limited to just the people on Namek, but everywhere in the universe where the said forces were "doing their job". This is probably a great surprise for some aliens, but if Freeza wiped out any planets and their races in the last year the same way he did the Saiyans prior, then some aliens would be suffering a horrible death out in the middle of space where their planet used to be.
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Post by tx3 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:38 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Isn't there a time limit on how long the person should be dead in order to be able to be wished back? Hence why only the Namekians and Vegeta were brought back to life on Namek as opposed to anyone who was ever killed by Freeza and his men?
Yes and no. There is a time limit of a year, but only on large groups of people. The wish in the Freeza Arc is made to revive all those killed by Freeza and his men, we learn that only those in the last year will be revived. Presumably this isn't limited to just the people on Namek, but everywhere in the universe where the said forces were "doing their job". This is probably a great surprise for some aliens, but if Freeza wiped out any planets and their races in the last year the same way he did the Saiyans prior, then some aliens would be suffering a horrible death out in the middle of space where their planet used to be.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:40 am

What did Grandpa Gohan do to keep his body anyways? I'm certain they wouldn't just let any good person have that privilege.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:What did Grandpa Gohan do to keep his body anyways? I'm certain they wouldn't just let any good person have that privilege.
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:What did Grandpa Gohan do to keep his body anyways? I'm certain they wouldn't just let any good person have that privilege.
Well he did keep his body, since G. Gohan fought Goku in Dragonball. And the thought of bringing him to life did sprout up, but Gohan declined due to sexy female spectres. Seriously.

Back to Gohan, sure, Toriyama brought out Gohan's body before he fleshed out Otherworld's rules, but keep in mind that when he did decide to go with the 'Warrior's Valhalla' scenario, he also revealed(then retconned later) that Goku was sent to destroy the Earth. But G. Gohan dropped him on his head. G. Gohan just saved the world without meaning too, so he gets to keep his body.

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Post by tx3 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:53 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:What did Grandpa Gohan do to keep his body anyways? I'm certain they wouldn't just let any good person have that privilege.
you could argue he got an Bonus because he knows urani baba

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tx3 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:What did Grandpa Gohan do to keep his body anyways? I'm certain they wouldn't just let any good person have that privilege.
you could argue he got an Bonus because he knows urani baba
I think he got the special treatment due to being a veteran martial artist master.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Ever thought about this?

Post by tx3 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:18 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
tx3 wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:What did Grandpa Gohan do to keep his body anyways? I'm certain they wouldn't just let any good person have that privilege.
you could argue he got an Bonus because he knows urani baba
I think he got the special treatment due to being a veteran martial artist master.
yeah maybe.....

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i think toriyama simple forgot Gohan and the fact that he could bring hin back. also are there scenes where goku sees his grandfather while both are dead?

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