What if the entire series had a 4KIDS dub?

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:28 pm

or a better question. What if 4KIDS were the ones that did the dub in the 90s instead of Funimation

Oooh lawd! I don't think I would sleep at night if I found out 5-7 years later if 4KIDS "Americanized" the shit out of the series. You guys wanna talk about how Faulconer fucked up Kikuchi's reputation, but I know THIS is will crush your souls like it did to mine. To me, THAT'S a slap in the face to Japanese culture, not some replacement scores.

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:41 pm

The Saban dub of the first 53 episodes is probably the closest we'll ever get to a 4Kids dub. Just replace the score with that "DA-DA-DAN" music used in every 4Kids dub. The BLT/Ocean dub of Dragon Ball was also somewhat 4kids-esque since it had censorship and generic "cartoon" replacement music.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:43 pm

I think whoever got DBZ back in the 90's would have watered it down immensely anyway. That's just how things were back then. If a company did an uncut release, it was usually straight to VHS and was hard to get the public to notice it. Anime was such a foreign concept, it was hard to sell. It wasn't until Pokemon came along and really broke that barrier.

SaiyamanMS · Post by **SaiyamanMS** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:47 pm

4Kids have put out a bit of somewhat decent work before, such as a decent chunk of Pokémon and TMNT 2003, but I doubt Dragon Ball would be so lucky under 4Kids. Worst case scenario, we'd have another One Piece, although I'd probably expect something more Yu-Gi-Oh! tier, something similar to the original Ocean dub, but with New York actors instead.

Kakacarrottop · Post by **Kakacarrottop** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:54 pm

SaiyamanMS wrote:4Kids have put out a bit of somewhat decent work before, such as a decent chunk of Pokémon and TMNT 2003, but I doubt Dragon Ball would be so lucky under 4Kids. Worst case scenario, we'd have another One Piece, although I'd probably expect something more Yu-Gi-Oh! tier, something similar to the original Ocean dub, but with New York actors instead.

I can imagine David Moo using his Sanji voice for Vegeta

Post by **Herms** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:55 pm

EXBadguy wrote:Oooh lawd! I don't think I would sleep at night if I found out 5-7 years later if 4KIDS "Americanized" the shit out of the series. You guys wanna talk about how Faulconer fucked up Kikuchi's reputation, but I know THIS is will crush your souls like it did to mine. To me, THAT'S a slap in the face to Japanese culture, not some replacement scores.

If we're talking about some alternate universe where that's the way the English dub was handled right from the start, then alternate!you would have grown up with that version instead, and therefore most likely consider it the good and proper version of the series.

MajinMan · Post by **MajinMan** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:59 pm

I don't want to imagine something like this because I might have a heart attack. An example would be instead of Freeza getting cut in half he would probably just give up and fall on the ground and the next scene would be the planet blowing up with sparkles everywhere with a poorly edited shot of a space pod flying away so they know Goku is alive.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:34 pm

Probably wouldn't be that much different from the early dubs we had.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:57 pm

It'd be even worse than the One Piece Dub! Imagine that!

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:23 pm

If Dragon Ball got a 4Kids dub, I doubt I would have gotten into the series. I mean the saving grace for the Saban Dub, despite it's gratuitous edits, stock music and overall censorship, was that the voice acting was actually tolerable. 4Kids don't have that many VA's which would make a show like Dragon Ball tolerable, in my opinion.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:28 pm

Although they didn't do this with every show they got, 4Kids had a tendency to buy the international distribution rights outside of Asia for the shows they got...meaning, in essence, that the vast majority of the international dubs would then be based on the 4Kids dub, inheriting their edited video footage, altered audio, and poorly-adapted scripts. So not only would it have been bad for the English-speaking world, but all non-Asian countries could have potentially been screwed over with their dubs as well.

Beerus-sama · Post by **Beerus-sama** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:33 pm

-Kuririn torture by Freeza would definitely be cutted
-The scene were Kuririn explodes is cutted aswell with just Kuririn screaming "Goku!!"
-Hell is not mentioned/ would have other name / they would have made something different from it.
- blood would be edited to death (some scenes with inevitable shown of blood would be taken out)
-Some scenes with Kame sennin would be deleted, his dialogues would be completely altered.
-It would have rap as opening or it would have some rap of something.
-Openings would be a mix of quick scenes from the season and opening at the time; Endings would be the same thing as the opening with a black vertical bar at the left with the credits.
-Names like Bulma, Trunks, Brief and Satan would be changed.
-Tenshinhan and Chaozu names would also be changed since they are japanese.
-Kami would not be the earth god.
-Androids wanting to kill Goku would be changed to something else.
-Cell scenes absorbing/eating people with his tail would be edited.
-Every scene where the villians kill someone would be edited.

ShadowDude112 · Post by **ShadowDude112** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:49 pm

We already have a 4Kids dub of DBZ. It's called the original FUNimation dub.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:57 pm

ShadowDude112 wrote:We already have a 4Kids dub of DBZ. It's called the original FUNimation dub.

I don't entirely disagree. Actually, the argument that I observed that finally got me to see the point of view of people who prefer the subbed version was basically this...

-"The 4Kids dub of One Piece is just as bad as the FUNimation dub of DBZ."
-"Oh come on, they're nothing alike!"
-"How are they not alike?"
-"............."

They really do share a lot of the same sins, and I have sometimes tried to explain the misgivings that some fans have with the English dub by referring to the DBZ dub as, "the 4Kids One Piece dub of its time." Poorly adapted scripts (and all that that implies...incorrect characterizations, needlessly inserted jokes, etc)., needless censorship, replaced musical scores, sub-par acting, and frequent mispronunciations.

Having said that, I still don't believe the DBZ dub was as bad as the 4Kids One Piece dub. I don't believe it was that bad for a number of reasons, but they can all be summed up with this: with the DBZ dub, there was gradual improvement. On all fronts. With the 4Kids One Piece dub, it actually managed to get worse as time went on. On all fronts. FUNimation, for whatever faults they had, listened to their critics. 4Kids didn't.

Cure Dragon 255 · Post by **Cure Dragon 255** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:58 pm

4kids DID have get a chance to "Do" DBZ with the version of DBZKai that was shown on The CW. They pretty much had the usual ridiculous edits that people would expect like Blue Popo and Fairy Dust Deaths. But it also got away with a lot that other 4kids stuff, and since it was the Kai redub it was more accurate than the original DBZ English Dub.

However, the only reason there was at least some SEMBLANCE of accuracy and respect for the original version was because 4kids at that point FINALLY got the message mutilating anime alieniates most of your audience. If they had gotten the show from Day One....YIKES!

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:12 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:4kids DID have get a chance to "Do" DBZ with the version of DBZKai that was shown on The CW. They pretty much had the usual ridiculous edits that people would expect like Blue Popo and Fairy Dust Deaths. But it also got away with a lot that other 4kids stuff, and since it was the Kai redub it was more accurate than the original DBZ English Dub.

And even with all the edits, Dragon Ball Z Kai still pulled in some strong ratings on The CW. But it also damaged the image of DBZ Kai and spawned the whole "Dragon Ball Z Kai is for kids"mindset among the fandom. Thank God, Toonami is doing the show justice. And judging from the ratings it gets on Toonami, Kai certainly has a casual adult audience

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:14 pm

I do hope 4Kids took note of the fact that the highest-rated anime on the Toonzai block was also the only one that had its original score intact.

EXBadguy · Post by **EXBadguy** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:15 pm

Herms wrote:
EXBadguy wrote:Oooh lawd! I don't think I would sleep at night if I found out 5-7 years later if 4KIDS "Americanized" the shit out of the series. You guys wanna talk about how Faulconer fucked up Kikuchi's reputation, but I know THIS is will crush your souls like it did to mine. To me, THAT'S a slap in the face to Japanese culture, not some replacement scores.
If we're talking about some alternate universe where that's the way the English dub was handled right from the start, then alternate!you would have grown up with that version instead, and therefore most likely consider it the good and proper version of the series.

You better be joking, cuz it will NOT happen like that. HELL! NO! I'd side with the subbies and the pro-Japans if 4Kids were the ones that did the dub from day one. They fucked up a lot of anime to the point where I wanna fly to Japan, just to go to Aokigahara(a suicide forest) and commit suicide there! No lie! That'd be my fate in an alternate universe you speak of!

I'm no westaboo. Changing the music score is fucking nothing compared to anime characters singing the AMERICAN NATIONAL ANTHEM!

Naruto6583 · Post by **Naruto6583** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:50 pm

EXBadguy wrote:
Herms wrote:
EXBadguy wrote:Oooh lawd! I don't think I would sleep at night if I found out 5-7 years later if 4KIDS "Americanized" the shit out of the series. You guys wanna talk about how Faulconer fucked up Kikuchi's reputation, but I know THIS is will crush your souls like it did to mine. To me, THAT'S a slap in the face to Japanese culture, not some replacement scores.
If we're talking about some alternate universe where that's the way the English dub was handled right from the start, then alternate!you would have grown up with that version instead, and therefore most likely consider it the good and proper version of the series.
You better be joking, cuz it will NOT happen like that. HELL! NO! I'd side with the subbies and the pro-Japans if 4Kids were the ones that did the dub from day one. They fucked up a lot of anime to the point where I wanna fly to Japan, just to go to Aokigahara(a suicide forest) and commit suicide there! No lie! That'd be my fate in an alternate universe you speak of!

I'm no westaboo. Changing the music score is fucking nothing compared to anime characters singing the AMERICAN NATIONAL ANTHEM!

What anime did that?

YouTube · Post by **Ajay** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:52 pm

Naruto6583 wrote: What anime did that?

ALLLLL OF THEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJuJrqFhXM

God, 4Kids are the worst.

Kanzenshuu

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