"Captain" Nappa...?

Mika · Post by **Mika** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:21 pm

Just curious but was Nappa really the "captain of the Saiyan Army" or was this an embellishment on the script in the original English dub?

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:42 am

I dunno about that. I haven't seen the complete Japanese Saiyan saga. Nappa was definitley a super elite while Planet Vegeta still existed. It's safe to assume he was a high ranking Saiyan. I mean he did act as the aide (definitley not bodyguard...

) to Prince Vegeta. That job wouldn't go to just any soldier.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:37 am

Well the 'commander of a Saiyan army' thing was just a dub line. The Saiyans didn't have armies, just small attack teams.

And Nappa stated that he was also part of the nobility, so in Saiyan culture it meant that he was stronger than the average Saiyan. He probably hung around with King Vegeta before the Freeza incident.
On another note, if having a powerlevel of 8,000 like Nappa makes you nobility, what would Bardock be with a PL of 10,000?

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:42 am

I think the topic of Saiyan rank and how it applies to power level has come up before. I believe the over all consensus reached was that rank wasn't directly linked to a fighters power, but their expected potential was after birth.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:45 am

Terra-jin wrote:On another note, if having a powerlevel of 8,000 like Nappa makes you nobility, what would Bardock be with a PL of 10,000?

Well, noone knew that Bardock had a Power Level that high. The only ones who knew were the doctors who healed him the day the planet exploded.

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:40 am

Yeah that's true Desire. I also have a feeling that the elite didn't accept low class soldiers who achieved elite status power levels quite easily. Just look at how Vegeta treats Goku....

Well my personal opinion is that Saiyans didn't form armies unless they where invading a very difficult planet. We can expect Nappa had some experience as a commander of troops once upon a time.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:00 pm

I don't think your rank is really based on your power, I think its more about what you are born into. I'm sure there were saiyans stronger than Nappa but he was probably linked to the "royal" family by way of his father or something like that. I see Nappa as Freeza's Zarbon.

He isn't really stronger than him, he'll just do the dirty work. Um, I don't think saiyans like Bardock would ever have a chance to move up in ranks because if they were showing the potential to get stronger, they would probably be snuffed out (like in the Broli movie).
-Rick

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:15 pm

Terra-jin wrote: On another note, if having a powerlevel of 8,000 like Nappa makes you nobility, what would Bardock be with a PL of 10,000?

I thought Nappa was only at 4000?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:22 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Terra-jin wrote: On another note, if having a powerlevel of 8,000 like Nappa makes you nobility, what would Bardock be with a PL of 10,000?
I thought Nappa was only at 4000?

That's what he's at before he powers up (three times?). Goku's at 8000 then and says that the fight could last all day, so he needs to use kaioken. If Nappa was only at 4000 Goku could have easily dispatched him. Nappa is almost certainly at 8000, the same as Goku.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:29 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Terra-jin wrote: On another note, if having a powerlevel of 8,000 like Nappa makes you nobility, what would Bardock be with a PL of 10,000?
I thought Nappa was only at 4000?
That's what he's at before he powers up (three times?). Goku's at 8000 then and says that the fight could last all day, so he needs to use kaioken. If Nappa was only at 4000 Goku could have easily dispatched him. Nappa is almost certainly at 8000, the same as Goku.

A-hah. Okay, then.

...But still, I thought Goku's power level was "Over Nine Thou-*"

Mmmph!

*Is bound, gagged, and dragged away*

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:04 pm

Yeah, it's a Dub line. But like people have been saying, he's an Elite of the Nobility. Bassically meaning the Nobility is the class of Elite warriors & he's an Elite among the Elite. In other words, he's just about as tough as they come for the time.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:13 pm

desirecampbell wrote:That's what he's at before he powers up (three times?). Goku's at 8000 then and says that the fight could last all day, so he needs to use kaioken. If Nappa was only at 4000 Goku could have easily dispatched him. Nappa is almost certainly at 8000, the same as Goku.

Yep. Three times. Once after all the Cultivars were destroyed, again against Goku, and the final when Vegeta tells him to calm down.

Also... Goku was stated as "over 8,000." Just saying.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:15 pm

Doesn't seem like Nappa quite has the brains to take on the role of a captain anyway...and he's too impulsive lol.

tainted saiyan · Post by **tainted saiyan** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:18 pm

I feel that being a low class saiyan was much like being a serf in the middle ages. You were regarded as scum even if you did something noble. You would be a serf/ low class for life.

aarondirebear · Post by **aarondirebear** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:10 pm

Nappa was not stupid, he just had a bad temper.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:21 am

aarondirebear wrote:Nappa was not stupid, he just had a bad temper.

NAPPA, DON'T TOUCH IT.

desirecampbell wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Terra-jin wrote: On another note, if having a powerlevel of 8,000 like Nappa makes you nobility, what would Bardock be with a PL of 10,000?
I thought Nappa was only at 4000?
That's what he's at before he powers up (three times?). Goku's at 8000 then and says that the fight could last all day, so he needs to use kaioken. If Nappa was only at 4000 Goku could have easily dispatched him. Nappa is almost certainly at 8000, the same as Goku.

Well the Daizenshuu lists him at 4000. Wasn't Goku making sports of him without kaioken too? You don't do so with someone who has the same powerlevel. He was probably twice as strong in his base form. The powerups don't have to mean anything, since we don't know what powerlevel he started at.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:35 am

Pieter wrote:Well the Daizenshuu lists him at 8000.

It does, really? Weird. "Dragon Ball Forever" lists him as 4000.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:17 pm

Olivier Hague wrote:
Pieter wrote:Well the Daizenshuu lists him at 8000.
It does, really? Weird. "Dragon Ball Forever" lists him as 4000.

Oops. I meant 4000 there.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:59 pm

Well, it's easier to figure out that 4,000 was Nappa's power level for most of the fight, but he went to near 8,000 in the last part of his fight with Goku, because they were matching near evenly and Goku had already powered up to "Over 8,000!!!"

I'll stop...

aarondirebear · Post by **aarondirebear** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:14 pm

4,000 is a mistake, otherwise Gokuu would have tooled Nappa without Kaiouken. Gokuu uses it as a last resort because 8,000 (his maximum burst battle strength without Kaiouken) wasn't enough, so he had to go with Kaiouken level 1 (which multiplies your battle strength by 1.5).

And if Saban had been right, Gokuw ould also not have needed the kaiouken because he would be "over 1,000" more than the Japanese version.