If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by supercat » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:50 am

Alex9196 wrote:i think its strange that kaioshin cant do it. because kibito is a regular kai i think.
Well Kibito was portrayed as Kaioshin's assistant, so it's very plausible that Kaioshin's means of travel entailed being escorted around via Kibito's Instantaneous Movement. This would be akin to a driver assigned with the task of doing all the driving, while the boss kicks back in the back seat.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:57 am

supercat wrote:
Alex9196 wrote:i think its strange that kaioshin cant do it. because kibito is a regular kai i think.
Well Kibito was portrayed as Kaioshin's assistant, so it's very plausible that Kaioshin's means of travel entailed being escorted around via Kibito's Instantaneous Movement. This would be akin to a driver assigned with the task of doing all the driving, while the boss kicks back in the back seat.
Yep, it's official. East Kaioshin is really just a lazy, selfish fuck.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:17 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
supercat wrote:
Alex9196 wrote:i think its strange that kaioshin cant do it. because kibito is a regular kai i think.
Well Kibito was portrayed as Kaioshin's assistant, so it's very plausible that Kaioshin's means of travel entailed being escorted around via Kibito's Instantaneous Movement. This would be akin to a driver assigned with the task of doing all the driving, while the boss kicks back in the back seat.
Yep, it's official. East Kaioshin is really just a lazy, selfish fuck.
Who doomed the Earth with his bullshit strategies and planning.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Alex9196 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:23 pm

is it ever said what kibito is exactly? how did he get kaioshins assistent? did kaioshin just selected him from the normal kais?
because i think north kai once said that not even he had seen the kaioshin before. so why kibito?

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by singsing » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:10 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Who doomed the Earth with his bullshit strategies and planning.
To be fair, his plan would have worked if not for the Saiyans being Saiyans.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:20 pm

singsing wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: Who doomed the Earth with his bullshit strategies and planning.
To be fair, his plan would have worked if not for the Saiyans being Saiyans.
Kaioshin left two key details about Babidi:
- Dabra
- Babidi being able to control people with evil in his heart

If the Z-Fighters knew about that before going to to Babidi's spaceship, they would left behind Vegeta and the Majin Boo arc doesn't happen. Plus, they would have been ready for Dabra, and Kibito would have most likely not died and Piccolo and Krillin wouldn't have been turned into stone.
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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:24 pm

singsing wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: Who doomed the Earth with his bullshit strategies and planning.
To be fair, his plan would have worked if not for the Saiyans being Saiyans.
And ironically, the "plan" almost succeeded in the first place cuz of the Saiyans being the Saiyans.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by Doctor. » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:12 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
singsing wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: Who doomed the Earth with his bullshit strategies and planning.
To be fair, his plan would have worked if not for the Saiyans being Saiyans.
Kaioshin left two key details about Babidi:
- Dabra
- Babidi being able to control people with evil in his heart

If the Z-Fighters knew about that before going to to Babidi's spaceship, they would left behind Vegeta and the Majin Boo arc doesn't happen. Plus, they would have been ready for Dabra, and Kibito would have most likely not died and Piccolo and Krillin wouldn't have been turned into stone.
I'm pretty sure Kaioshin didn't know about Dabra being under Babidi's control at all.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by supercat » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:19 pm

Kaioshin's inadequately gathered information on his enemies, in conjunction with Saiyan desires for a good battle, all seem like an equal contribuion towards the revival of Buu and the chaos that shortly followed after.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by hyperbeing1 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:35 am

Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
singsing wrote: Kaioshin left two key details about Babidi:
- Dabra
- Babidi being able to control people with evil in his heart

If the Z-Fighters knew about that before going to to Babidi's spaceship, they would left behind Vegeta and the Majin Boo arc doesn't happen. Plus, they would have been ready for Dabra, and Kibito would have most likely not died and Piccolo and Krillin wouldn't have been turned into stone.
I'm pretty sure Kaioshin didn't know about Dabra being under Babidi's control at all.
He did not know dabura was amongst them and when he did he was quick to fulfill them about dabura and who he is though he did add in his ability a bit late.
As for Babidi's power to control people with evil in their hearts he did tell them this admittedly a bit before they bumped into Babidi though most of the characters were pure heart. Also i should note i doubt vegeta would have listened to them anyway and when he explained babidi's ability it was vegeta who allowed himself to be under control to gain more power due to his pride and note he told them this before they entered the ship no one said "hey vegeta stay here".
Kaioshin is my favorite character and while i believe he is more competent then people give him credit for i admit he could have done much much better.
I personally believe that he is suffering from ptsd after majin buu killed and absorbed his fellow kaioshin and nearly killed him. I also felt this is partially why he bonded with gohan so well both dealt with so much tragedy at young ages and i believed they never fully got beyond that.

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Re: If Kaioshin has instantaneous movement...

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:04 am

Doctor. wrote:I'm pretty sure Kaioshin didn't know about Dabra being under Babidi's control at all.
Yes, but Kaioshin knew Dabra had gone missing and knew that Babidi gathers the strongest beings from across the universe sooo.....
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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