Tullece seems to be a controversial character

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:06 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tulle ... _PEOPLE.21

After the whole "OVA" thing (don't worry, I've learned my lesson about that one

), this comes up.

Nobody seems to listen to reason anymore.

Lavender Saiyan · Post by **Lavender Saiyan** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:14 am

*sigh* Iditoic really. It's outright stated in the Movie that a lot of the Low Levels looked similar. Just plain sad.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:17 am

Wow people these days, they find anything on the web and they believe it

I added a comment there if it means anything to you.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:18 am

Especially since Movie 3's been around for so long now. ^_^;

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:18 am

This is exactly what the Project is for.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:24 am

desirecampbell wrote:This is exactly what the Project is for.

Well, Desire, consider Conan in your services.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:32 am

Should I mention that my eyes are less than perfect, therefore I never drew any visual connection between the way Goku and Tullece look, and it never occured to me until reading the Daizex rumor guide that Tullece and Goku were remotely related. I rewatched the movie afterward and nope, I heard absolutely nothing to suggest such a thing...
Furthermore, my 7YO cousin watched it as well, and what was the first conclusion he drew upon seeing Tullece? Why, he thought he was Bardock, of course!

A friend of mine, while rewatching the series not-too-long after I got into the Daizex podcast, was watching the movie and said something to the effect of, "So Turl'es is Goku's clone right?" And when I asked where that idea came from he said "They mentioned something about htem being from the same blood...".

Is it worth mentioning on a wiki talk page that the visually challenged child never drew a connection between Tullece and Goku, the 7YO originally mistook him for Bardock, and the random other fan said 'clone' and could only recall a vague line vaguely (!).

That's the annoying thing about a lot of people on the internet that try to convince you of things; they don't give reasons, they just expect you to know that it's truth without providing any evidence (This effect has no limits on topic...). And that is why Daizenshuu EX wins, but you all knew that.

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Kula · Post by **Kula** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:12 am

He's not Goku's brother, that much has been established. But why does he look like Goku? The 'some low level warriors look the same' excuse is a little vague.

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:58 pm

I am already in two Wikiprojects and do not have the time to join a third.

I thank anyone for their support in this. Perhaps if this loon sees how many individuals know the truth, he or she will back down.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:10 pm

Kula wrote:He's not Goku's brother, that much has been established. But why does he look like Goku?

Because Toei was feeling lazy. Simple enough.

Mika · Post by **Mika** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:16 pm

Pedro The Hutt wrote:Because Toei was feeling lazy. Simple enough.

I really hate that kind of response, it's pretty obvious they were going for a "what-if Goku hadn't hit his head as a baby/became an 'evil' Saiyan". If they didn't make them look alike how would there be any connection? He would just be another random villain.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:17 pm

Kula wrote:He's not Goku's brother, that much has been established. But why does he look like Goku? The 'some low level warriors look the same' excuse is a little vague.

Eh, I don't mind too much. It's cool to see Goku face off against "himself". If you want to see it from an artistic standpoint, it could be the same as Kami and Piccolo, Ying-Yang, Superman and Bizzaro, and all of that good stuff. All this talk makes me think about movie three and now I have a great idea: we should do a movie three dub.

-Rick

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:18 pm

Pedro The Hutt wrote:
Kula wrote:He's not Goku's brother, that much has been established. But why does he look like Goku?
Because Toei was feeling lazy. Simple enough.

Its not about being lazy, the point of Movie 3 was to show what Goku would be like if he didn't hit his head, hence, Tullece looking exactly like Goku.
That should basicly be the end of it.
EDIT: Damnit! Mika beat me to it!

Last Son of Krypton · Post by **Last Son of Krypton** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:20 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Kula wrote:He's not Goku's brother, that much has been established. But why does he look like Goku? The 'some low level warriors look the same' excuse is a little vague.
Eh, I don't mind too much. It's cool to see Goku face off against "himself". If you want to see it from an artistic standpoint, it could be the same as Kami and Piccolo, Ying-Yang, Superman and Bizzaro, and all of that good stuff. All this talk makes me think about movie three and now I have a great idea: we should do a movie three dub.
-Rick

I never thought about Tullece like that before. But really, if Tullece is Goku's Bizarro he should say everything backwards, hehe. Me am Tullece! XD

EDIT: Now that I think about it Tullece is more of a General Zod type character. Especially the General of Pokolistan Zod. He looked just like Superman, but he was very evil.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:32 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote: All this talk makes me think about movie three and now I have a great idea: we should do a movie three dub.
-Rick

ZOMG NO WAI!!!!shift+1!!

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:40 pm

Last Son of Krypton wrote:I never thought about Tullece like that before. But really, if Tullece is Goku's Bizarro he should say everything backwards, hehe. Me am Tullece! XD

EDIT: Now that I think about it Tullece is more of a General Zod type character. Especially the General of Pokolistan Zod. He looked just like Superman, but he was very evil.

Or it could be like Superman III when Clark fights Superman (Goku "taking on" a saiyan which could be seen as his savage side). Damn, is Conan reading this..o_0..
-Rick

Last Son of Krypton · Post by **Last Son of Krypton** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:42 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Last Son of Krypton wrote:I never thought about Tullece like that before. But really, if Tullece is Goku's Bizarro he should say everything backwards, hehe. Me am Tullece! XD

EDIT: Now that I think about it Tullece is more of a General Zod type character. Especially the General of Pokolistan Zod. He looked just like Superman, but he was very evil.
Or it could be like Superman III when Clark fights Superman (Goku "taking on" a saiyan which could be seen as his savage side). Damn, is Conan reading this..o_0..
-Rick

Damn, man! That's an even better example.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:01 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Last Son of Krypton wrote:I never thought about Tullece like that before. But really, if Tullece is Goku's Bizarro he should say everything backwards, hehe. Me am Tullece! XD

EDIT: Now that I think about it Tullece is more of a General Zod type character. Especially the General of Pokolistan Zod. He looked just like Superman, but he was very evil.
Or it could be like Superman III when Clark fights Superman (Goku "taking on" a saiyan which could be seen as his savage side). Damn, is Conan reading this..o_0..
-Rick

Better believe I am, and I kinda see your point. The whole Kakarrot/Goku and Kal-El/Clark Kent issue is very similar, though since Goku's Kakarrot essence was basically eliminated from him with his infant head-drop (save for Oozaru transformations and possibly half of his personality in SSJ4), we know Goku doesn't go through internal struggles about who he really is. The closest he really came to it was when he first went Super Saiyan, even Roshi could sense it from Earth, it felt like Goku was changing through his rage and nearly losing himself, that seemed to be a real struggle between the humanity Grandpa Gohan raised him into and the Saiyan bloodlust dormant since birth.

DBZ movie 3, definitely seems like an ideal Goku Vs. Kakarrot type of situation, and it helps that Masako Nazowa voices Tullece as well. Superman's gone through such situations where Kal-El has battled Clark Kent, though for Superman, neither side is evil. In situations like Superman 3 and even an episode of Smallville, the Kal-El side was just being manipulated by either a tar-drenched chunk of Kryptonite, or the ambiguous ambitions of Jor-El.

Damn...why do I get the feeling we're going off topic. >_>;;

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:43 pm

Not entirely. Gokuu has often been paralleled as Japan's Superman.

Kanzenshuu

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