The non gods I don't think should even be close to 1. Vegetto and GT is all I can see at least hitting a 1 or higher in comparison to Beerus, Whis, and the Gods. Also Gohan's too high. He should be like -10.LightBing wrote:Here's my power levels using the new scale. I've taken the numbers told by Mr.Toriyama and adapt it, since Super seems to follow BoG in all but small details. All numbers are of the characters in their strongest forms.
I gave a slight increase to Goku and Vegeta and a slight decrease to Gotenks and Gohan, from their strength at the end of the Buu Saga.
Super (As of episode 7)
Whis - 15
Beerus - 10
Gohan - 2,34
Gotenks - 2,09
Goku - 1,53
Mr.Buu - 1,29
Vegeta - 1,26
Piccolo - 0,30
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Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Can't we just all be friends? It's unofficial power levels. There's no real answer to these and they are as bullshit as ever now a days. I just stick to tiers.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Bulma Oolong and Puar aren't even fighters so I'd say 21st WT Roshi at best.Blackstripe wrote:Here's a little something for fun. What if Old Kaioshin gave his Ultimate power up to these relatively weak individuals? What would their power levels be?
Ultimate Bulma
Ultimate Oolong
Ultimate Puar
Ultimate Lunch
Ultimate Mr. Satan
Ultimate Videl
Ultimate Ranfan
Ultimate Nam
Ultimate Panput
Mr. Satan theoretically could become current Krillin / Tien level same with Videl.
The rest no stronger than a Saibaman
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Any reason while Goku/Freeza are so much higher than the Daizenshuu? Just curiousVegetaSSJBlue wrote: Z-Warriors vs. Freeza Power Levels
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What the fuck is going on with those AF battle powers?!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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While I do believe that raged Oob is as strong as Pure Boo (that's what Goku's statements imply), I don't believe that base Goku is stronger than Boo arc SS3 Goku, because it really is crazy and unrealistic for the manga.
But they fought evenly so, they should be equal, right? Not nessesarily. The battle was very short in the manga (only 4 pages).
So, I believe that Oob had not unleashed his full power when he was fighting evenly with Goku, and then he fully unleashed his power when he used the Kiai on Goku.
But they fought evenly so, they should be equal, right? Not nessesarily. The battle was very short in the manga (only 4 pages).
So, I believe that Oob had not unleashed his full power when he was fighting evenly with Goku, and then he fully unleashed his power when he used the Kiai on Goku.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Neither Goku, nor anyone in the whole manga became over 400 times stronger with just training on Earth, so it makes zero sense for base Goku to be at Pure Boo's level in the 28th TB.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Near-death power-ups have disappeared, or became insignificant at that point of the series. I still think my theory makes more sense, since it keeps Goku at a logical level, and Oob at Pure Boo's level.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Goku got 248x stronger in 10 years, that aside its certainly possible. All I did was take Goku's Base power level after he received a Zenkai in his fight with Buu and multiplied it by 1.75 every year for 10 years. So Goku x 1.75^10. I did drop it a little bit since it was a little too high. However he is still stronger than Kid Buu based on that.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Neither Goku, nor anyone in the whole manga became over 400 times stronger with just training on Earth, so it makes zero sense for base Goku to be at Pure Boo's level in the 28th TB.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Did you read what I said before?TheMightyOzaru wrote:Goku was on par with Uub so Goku would have to be just as strong if not stronger if Uub is gonna be on par with Kid Buu.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It didn't resemble his hairstyle before the 25th TB, when he had two bangs instead of one. From the 25th TB arc and onwards, he had the SS hairstyle with one bang, and the SS2 hairstyle, where his hairstyle is more pointy and straight up. Gohan's SS hairstyle in the 25th TB stayed the same for the rest of the series.Saiga wrote:His hair doesn't resemble his SS1 hair either
And the manga, if you ignore the Gohan vs Dabra fight.Saiga wrote:the only thing saying sparks are part of the SS2 form is the GT Perfect Files
Not saying that Gohan was definitely a Super Saiyan. To me, he looks exactly like a Super Saiyan, but by power, he seems to be a Super Saiyan 2.
BTW, why don't we make a sticky thread for the whole Gohan SS/SS2 topic, so that whenever a thread jumps into this subject (like now), we can discuss about it in its rightful thread.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He was impressed because there were mortals with that kind of power. By that logic, SS Goten & Trunks are stronger than SS3 Goku because Piccolo was impressed with their power.Saiga wrote:I just don't think South Kaioshin can be that powerful, because otherwise Kaioshin wouldn't have been as impressed by Goku or Gohan's power.
The only problem with S. Kaioshin is the Z-Sword. He was said to be the strongest of all Kaioshin in the manga, and he was strong enough for Boo to absorb him. Pure Boo also got a huge power-up, since Evil Boo was much stronger than Pure Boo, and S. Kaioshin Boo was even stronger than that. And since S. Kaioshin didn't seem to have any unique ability for Boo to want, if he was weaker than Boo, Boo would just kill him. But if S. Kaioshin was so strong to at least rival Boo's power, why couldn't he draw the Z-Sword? Did he even try?
IMO, S. Kaioshin tried to draw it when he was still young & much weaker. After years, he just didn't bother to try.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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It sounds like a plot hole if you ask me, given that there is almost a 1 year gap between Z-Sword's introduction & Pure Boo's introduction, and since we know that Toriyama doesn't plan things & forgets easily minor things,
Like East Kaioshin, they didn't train enough, or he liked & was more talented at fighting than them, or both. They are the same type of gods, but they don't need to be equals.Saiga wrote:I still think S. Kaioshin creates the problem of other Kaioshin either having the potential to reach his realm of power, or just being in his own realm of power which doesn't make sense.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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And exactly how did you conclude in these?RandomGuy96 wrote:Piccolo gains power extremely fast, getting almost nine times stronger in two years in the Saiyan Saga, dozens of times stronger from sitting around on King Kai's planet in the Freeza Saga, and over a hundred times stronger in three years in the Android Arc.
When?Piccolo is also heavily implied to be stronger than Kid Buu at the very least.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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This just proves that Piccolo has better training methods than the Earthlings'.RandomGuy96 wrote:Piccolo went from 400 when Raditz arrived to 3,500 when Nappa arrived, according to the Daizenshuu, and he didn't even get to train with God. For comparison, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Krillin could only duplicate that feat by training with God.
The fact that Nail compliments him doesn't mean that Piccolo is stronger than him. The Warrior-type Namekians were around 3000 (except for Nail, who presumably got his dormant power drawn out by Saichouro). Piccolo should be stronger since he was running the Serpentine Road, but he didn't get to train much in Kaio's, since he only trained for 5 days (I think?). So, if Piccolo went above 3500, then Nail could be complimenting him for having a big power for a Namekian.RandomGuy96 wrote:He went from 3,500 when he died to strong enough to baffle Nail, who was at 42,000.
What Zephyr said. I have Piccolo below Freeza's level, which would make him about 100 times stronger, not hundreds of times as you said. And it works perfectly. (I actually believe that this huge increase was because he had a Super Saiyan as a sparring partner, and by merging with Nail, who was the strongest Namekian on Planet Namek, Piccolo's dormant power skyrocketed.)RandomGuy96 wrote:He went from a little over a million in the Freeza Saga to being implied to be over a hundred million in the Android Arc, given that he's pretty much lumped in with Trunks tier-wise and Krillin compares him to a Super Saiyan.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Exactly. Piccolo could get ~8 times stronger alone, while the Earthlings needed to be trained by someone else to get ~8 times stronger.RandomGuy96 wrote:No, not really. He trained out in the wilderness, the Earthlings trained with God.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Piccolo didn't put much thought in this. He thought that #19 & #20 were the ones that killed everyone in the future, and since he saw that they were weaker than him, he concluded that he got stronger than them. Turns out however that these two are not the ones from the future, and that they are much weaker than #17 & #18. So, Piccolo was wrong all along.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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What would you think? You know that these guys are that strong, then you notice that you are stronger than them. Wouldn't that mean that you got stronger? That's what Piccolo thought. He didn't put much thought into it, he came to a quick conclusion.Kamiccolo9 wrote:He was training to defeat enemies that he knew were stronger than Freeza. Why would he be confident in their ability to win if he was weaker than that?
Also, Piccolo didn't know Freeza's full power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Like I said, Piccolo came to a quick conclusion & didn't put much thought into it (he did the same thing with Gotenks in Boo arc, when he thought that base Gotenks could defeat Evil Boo), which is exactly the opposite thing that you are doing.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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What is "Arcosian"?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Fixed. Personally, I view it as a mini-arc of the manga, and that's how Toriyama, Shueisha, etc seem to view it as well.hleV wrote:BOG doesn't matter to me. It has enough contradictions to not be accepted as part of the main thing.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.