KBABZ and Robo present: Daima Trivia (COMPLETE)

[nineko]

I like the red hair, it never really made much sense to grow black hair and red hair at the same time.

Not relevant, but Mario and Luigi have brown hair and black moustache, and that always looked weird to me, so I can see where you are coming from.

[KBABZ]

I like the red hair, it never really made much sense to grow black hair and red hair at the same time. But visually, I prefer the original colours. I guess, if Gogeta is a thing, he'll have black hair.

I like the singular colour because it makes the design feel more cohesive and unified, something which GT really struggled with in its aesthetic. I personally don't like the weird exposed wrists, it feels rather needless and done mainly to be different, despite it looking worse.

No magic pants is good.

Magic pants?????

Arinsu's plan is the most flaw plan I think the franchise has ever produced. A so-called genius and xenophobe giving the final and most important task of learning a language and making the wish to a non-Glind? she deserves to be betrayed. How could she drop the ball like that and so close to the finish line?

I assume that's because she didn't count on Glorio being anything more than a minion who'll do what she tells him to, highlighting her lack of empathy in understanding others emotionally. But yes it's pretty stupid.

Goku's eyes are also the same pink-red colour as his fur, rather than yellow as in GT.

They're actually a sharper crimson red, which also resembles Super Saiyan God's colors. It's more noticeable in the design sheets that Ajay revealed, or when Goku uses his ki aura.

That's true, and his hair is also a darker shade of red than the body fur. But the point of that entry is to highlight the eye colour changing to unify the design overall compared to the "everything is a different colour" approach of GT's SS4.

[Mr Baggins]

But the point of that entry is to highlight the eye colour changing to unify the design overall compared to the "everything is a different colour" approach of GT's SS4.

Ah, duly noted! And agreed – I vastly prefer the color cohesion of this version over whatever GT was going for.

Of course, I'm also a sucker for Super Saiyan God so there's admittedly some strong bias at play here.

[KBABZ]

But the point of that entry is to highlight the eye colour changing to unify the design overall compared to the "everything is a different colour" approach of GT's SS4.

Ah, duly noted! And agreed – I vastly prefer the color cohesion of this version over whatever GT was going for.

Of course, I'm also a sucker for Super Saiyan God so there's admittedly some strong bias at play here.

Yeah! While I highly doubt that Daima is in Super's continuity after this, I do like the idea of tying Super Saiyan 4 to godly ki by way of its cherry red colour palette.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Going to have to respectfully disagree here but I prefer GT's Super Saiyan 4 to the Daima version.

As its meant to be a primal state I feel reverting to Goku's original hair colour works better. Conversely using the same colour for the fur and hair right off the bat just looks tacky, I would be okay with that for Super Saiyan 5 assuming the trajectory would be towards more ape-like states and the unifying aesthetic was more gradual.

I don't mind Gogeta having a different hair colour (red) in Super Saiyan 4, probably because the fur is another colour (brown) and I see a Super Saiyan 4 fusion as being a progression from individual Super Saiyan 4s.

[KBABZ]

Going to have to respectfully disagree here but I prefer GT's Super Saiyan 4 to the Daima version.

As its meant to be a primal state I feel reverting to Goku's original hair colour works better. Conversely using the same colour for the fur and hair right off the bat just looks tacky, I would be okay with that for Super Saiyan 5 assuming the trajectory would be towards more ape-like states and the unifying aesthetic was more gradual.

I don't mind Gogeta having a different hair colour (red) in Super Saiyan 4, probably because the fur is another colour (brown) and I see a Super Saiyan 4 fusion as being a progression from individual Super Saiyan 4s.

I would have thought the gorilla arms would be more contentious, they make him look all poofy and goofy when Goku's a kid! I suspect it'd look a lot better when he's an adult.

[KBABZ]

Looks like I messed up the link to the Super Saiyan 4 "cameo" in the anime's Super Saiyan 3 transformation. Here's the shot:



I highlighted it because both SS3 and SS4's debut transformations, be it intentional or not, foreshadow the appearance of a future Super Saiyan form!

[Robo4900]

Only one episode left after this!

It's been a joy and a pleasure to do this again (even if I had to miss a couple of weeks), and particularly it's been so refreshing to have new Dragon Ball that's actually good.

Anyway, onward!

Errata Trivia
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Spoiler:

• In the shot of Goku flying out of the clouds to meet the Demon Realm planes in the sky, an easily-missed detail is the longer sheath for Nyoi-bo on his back. While the staff's extending powers are well-known, the sheath itself has never been known to do this because Goku discarded the staff before reaching adulthood.
• Episode 1 - In the Boo Arc, Dabura reveals that he visited Earth 300 years prior. The fact that Gomah and Degesu only check for why Dabura disappeared right after the Boo Arc means that Dabura had only recently disappeared from the throne, implying that Babidi had turned him via his "Majin" spell and had him under his control for at least three centuries. This may explain why neither Gomah nor Degesu bring up the M on Dabura's forehead, which we pointed out last week.
• Episode 7 - Hybis vising Bulma's group means that the Evil Third Eye has not just visited Universe 7, but the Lookout as well!
• Episode 7 - When cornered by the two Gendarmerie planes, Kaioshin says that getting their own plane destroyed "would be very bad" (or that they can't afford to lose it in the Funi dub). The Dragon Team will collectively destroy two more planes after this point, with one of them crashing twice. Oops!
• Episode 7 - It's unknown exactly when Goku teleported out during the Gendarmerie search of the plane. He would surely have been spotted hiding behind the seat, yet he isn't visible with the Dragon Team outside until after the search is completed!
• Episode 7 - Even after the fight with the Gendarmerie begins, Goku continues to stay hidden, and doesn't attack until after Kaioshin gives him the all clear. Very considerate!
• Episode 7 - Panzy states that "Shin" is Kaioshin's name in the outside world. While she had no way to know for sure, she may have guessed this due to Shin not being a Glind name (she immediately picks up that Nahare is a Glind name).
• Episode 7 - In the wide shot of Bulma's group outside of Hybis' plane, the white outline of the plane's bubble window appears above the antennae sticking out of it.
• Episode 7 - Goku says that the Demon Realm Dragon Ball on Tamagami Number 3's chest reminds him of the ones on Namek. He would have had a very small window of time to see those, when Porunga is resurrected for the third wish. In the manga Goku is shown looking down at Dende (who's standing right next to them), and directly observes them flying up into the air after Dende makes the third wish.
• Episode 7 - An easily missed detail is a framed menu on the wall of the food place Goku's group eats from at the end of the episode.
• Episode 7 - The restaurant owner considers 20 years ago to be "recently", which may seem odd at first, but it actually makes sense given how long-lived majin are revealed to be.
• Episode 8 - Despite being seen observing Goku approaching the Tamagami in Episode 7, in Episode 8 Kaioshin, Panzy and Glorio are seen approaching the battlefield mid-fight, as if they were only just aware that Goku started fighting.
• Episode 11 - The Tamagami, Dragon Ball and Demon Realm numbers all match. For example, Tamagami Number Two guards the Two-Star Dragon Ball in the Second Demon Realm.
• Episode 11 - Vegeta has mastered Super Saiyan 3 only one year after he first saw Goku use SS3 back in the Boo Arc. This is actually faster than his mastery of the original Super Saiyan, which took him two years to do!
• Episode 17 - Doo's cheeks being stretched wide by the chocolate cookie is just like Boo's cheeks doing the same when eating the cookie'd Dabura.
• Episode 17 - This episode features many close-ups of SS4 Goku swishing his tail, which prominently begun the final shot of the second iteration of GT's OP.
• Episode 18 - The second time the Evil Third Eye assists Gomah in battle, it visibly heals him, with Gomah's scratch lines disappearing before he punches Goku away.
• Episode 18 - Much like Dende to Gomah in Episode 1, Glorio asks what Arinsu if she's going to use the Dragon Balls to make a wish – as if there's some other use for them.

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Episode 463 - Betrayal (Daima Episode 19)
Originally aired 14th of February 2025
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Kazuya Karasawa
Animation supervisor: Yūichi Hamano
Chief animation supervisor: Tadayoshi Yamamuro & Yūya Takahashi

The battle continues to go poorly for Goku and his companions. After much hesitation, Glorio puts Arinsu's secret plan into action! As his friends watch in awe, what will Glorio's betrayal set in motion?!
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Spoiler:

• Episode 19's Crunchyroll thumbnail was initially the first to be an abject spoiler: it wasthe close-up of Vegeta's face before he fights Third Eye Gomah, spoiling that he (and thus the other characters) were restored to adults by Glorio's wish. Six hours later, it had been changed to the current thumbnail of Third Eye Gomah during the sequence of him grabbing SS3 Vegeta by his hair.
  • The precise time of this change is unknown, KBABZ just noticed it had been changed when she was browsing the episodes for trivia six hours later.
• The above was especially frustrating because the episode's description veers the other way, going all-out to confirm that Glorio executed Arinsu's wish (which of course doesn't actually happen).
• Episodes 18 and 19 are only the second time Daima has two episodes in a row with no Recap, after Episodes 8 and 9.
• While we realize there's a limited range for the shot composition and posing for the dragon gods, the second shot of Demon Realm Porunga is similar to a manga panel of the Namekian Porunga when he's first summoned.
  • The composite Demon Realm Porunga shot was made by Kjeld on Discord. Thanks a bunch!
• After being restored to his proper age, Piccolo and Vegeta's clothes are not only restored, but Piccolo's shoulder pads and turban are returned to him as well! (he previously threw them off to fight Gomah in Episode 17).
• The first thing Goku does after being restored to adulthood is some flying kicks and punches, the same moves we first see him perform as a kid atop the Lookout back in Episode 2.
• Goku once again mis-speaks Glorio's name as "Gliro". This time however, Glorio takes it in good humor with a smile.
• As always, the Japanese audio has a very obvious "Thank you!", which Toei's subs render as "Thanks!".
• After the wish is granted, the Demon Realm Dragon Balls disperse like the other sets do (presumably each one returning to their matching Demon World), rather than returning to the Tamagami. This is because, as Neva explains in Episode 11, the Tamagami were created after the Dragon Balls in order to guard them, and thus they never truly held ownership over them.
  • This also dovetails with Glorio explaining them back in Episode 4; he was only surprised that Goku thought they were hard to find, not that they had to be searched for in the first place.
• The sound effects of the Demon Realm Dragon Balls rising up into the air and dispersing are the same sounds used for the Earth and Namek Dragon Balls in the classic anime, and were even used for Episode 2 of Daima!
• Demon Realm Porunga has the shortest summoning of any dragon god. Aside from having to swat Gomah away and Gomah hesitating, he grants the wish almost immediately and heads on his way, not even having time to urge his summoners to hurry up!
  • The longest summoning period for a dragon god goes to Shen Long during the the first episode after the Black Arc in Super, when he actually stayed summoned for so long, he "timed out", much in the same way one would when holding in a pee, and disappeared without granting a wish at all.
  • Second place is held by Porunga for his summoning at the end of the Boo Arc, where he's present for much of the fight against Pure Boo in the World of the Kais.
  • If you count delays, first place is still Shen Long, but in the Boo Arc as there's a huge gap between the first two wishes made at Capsule Corp. and the third one at the end of the arc.
• Just like Pilaf at the end of Dragon Ball's very first arc, and King Gourmess in the very first movie, Arinsu has her world-affecting wish taken from her by somebody behind her wishing for something much more humble.
  • When we originally covered the first movie we just called the king Gurumes – in the five years since then, Robo's opinions on character names have changed a lot, and when he added this reference to the first movie for this entry, we debated what to actually call him for nearly ten minutes. We settled on "Gourmess" to honor both the "Gourmet" name pun, and the added S sound to add in the word "mess". Never let it be said that we aren't thorough.
• Up until Episode 19, adult Vegeta had only spoken twice back in Episode 1, the first line with food in his mouth!
• The opening shot of the Vegeta vs Third Eye Gomah fight spins around Gomah no less than four times.
• Glorio's "Heel-Face Turn" was foreshadowed in the previous episode, where he jumps into the battle purely for Goku's sake, calling out his name. It's safe to say that by this point, Glorio was never going to ask for Arinsu's wish to the dragon god.
• The shot of the sparks bursting past Vegeta's face is the closest Daima comes to highlighting a jump up to Super Saiyan 2... until the end of this episode, at least!
• Before Vegeta transforms, Gomah says "What?!" in surprise, which makes sense as he only saw Goku transform to Super Saiyan 3.
• Episode 19 has two firsts for the Super Saiyan 3 transformation, both due to the lengthier transformation the form requires:
  • It's the first time somebody has transformed to SS3 whilst performing another action, Vegeta flying in this case. Goku was flying when transforming too, back in the Boo arc, but he was just hanging in midair – Vegeta was actively navigating through the air when doing it.
  • It's also the first time the transformation has been paused mid-way through: Vegeta has long hair but still has his eyebrows when he has to avoid Gomah's ki attacks.
• Kaioshin saying "Super Saiyan 3!" is the earliest point in the timeline anybody has directly referred to the form by name. Goku will do the same himself later in this episode.
• Vegeta delivers a final blow via a kick with his arms crossed, calling back to his cross-armed fighting style against Tamagami Number Two back in Episode 11.
• Panzy being the one to accept Glorio back into the group shows how far he's come since Episode 5, where he was rather hesitant in letting her join the group.
  
  
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• The shot of Panzy leaping at the camera with both hands out is just like Pan flying past the camera in one of the shots of GT's intro. Incidentally, Pan's name is in most of Panzy's name!
• Goku finally gets Glorio's name correct on his seventh attempt!
• Similar to the Galick Gun in Episode 1 / 18, Vegeta doesn't formally call out the Final Flash attack by name when he uses it in Episode 19.
• Vegeta's Final Flash on Third Eye Gomah follows the same structure as Goku's final attack on Freeza, where a yellow ki attack punches through the enemy's purple ki attack, resulting in a classic "sketchy white-out defeat" shot. The difference of course is that this doesn't defeat Gomah!
• While also likely due to his Final Flash attack, Vegeta tiring out highlights once again how draining Super Saiyan 3 is (and Goku later notes that he doesn't have much stamina left either). This is similar to Goku using it to fight Pure Boo at the end of the Boo Arc, lasting a fair while before puffing out into his base form.
• The Third Eye's effect of unlimited ki reserves is similar in concept to the unlimited stamina of the Androids. The major difference is that it restores Gomah's body as well, making him functionally invincible.
• Aside from one time with Arinsu, the Evil Third Eye is consistently labelled as the Tertian Oculus in Toei's subtitles for this episode (it was also referred to this way in its one mention in Episode 18).
• Majin Doo is completely absent in Episode 19 until Arinsu assists the Dragon Team, possibly because he exerted himself attempting to help Super Saiyan 4 Goku in the previous episode. Or maybe he quickly popped out to get some snacks at the Gomart.
• In the shot of Majin Coo flying back to Gomah's palace, one of the "decorative tendrils" is still broken from when Gomah accidentally smashed it in Episode 17!
• Vegeta's Super Saiyan 3 hair briefly flashing black makes him visually reminiscent of Raditz, as well as a Z episode in Z's Other World filler arc where Goku's Super Saiyan hair was incorrectly coloured black in a Next Episode Preview shot.
• Rather than jumping in, Goku is polite enough to Vegeta's pride to ask if he can assist him first. This contrasts their fight in the Boo Arc, where it's later revealed that Goku held back from using Super Saiyan 3 against Vegeta when he wanted to fight Goku all out.
• The covers of Arinsu's Book of Magic Items has three celestial faces on them, which roughly correlate to the three Demon Worlds: the yellow sun representing the arid heat of the Third World, the ringed planet representing the planetoids of the Second World, and the green planet with a smaller one on its forehead representing the Demon Kings of the First World.
• The fact that Coo has to speed read through the Book of Magic Items implies it doesn't have a contents page or index section!
• Reflecting his respect towards her, Glorio refers to Arinsu as "Arinsu-sama" in Japanese.
• The post-Boo era has not been very kind to Vegeta, as he's publicly threatened by a lack of boobies in Daima, and in another continuity ridicules himself trying to appease Beerus in Battle of Gods.
• As could be expected, Goku is the only person on the Dragon Team with zero idea as to why Bulma's threat is awkward to hear. This is rather ironic considering he's the guy who offered nudies of Bulma to Old Kai in order for Gohan's power to be unlocked, implying he does know about this sort of thing.
  • It's also ironic considering one of his faux pas' in Episode / Chapter 2 was walking in on Bulma having a bath. Turns out Bulma was just waiting for Vegeta that whole time!
• After Vegeta returns to the Dragon Team, Goku's shading features the signature "key light sheen" that Dragon Ball GT, Super and the latter's marketing materials infamously used. This is unsurprising considering one of this episode's Animation Supervisors is Tadayoshi Yamamuro.
• Just like with Majin Boo and Babidi, Goku once again stalls for time by facing the big bad, dicking around, and then demonstrating the line of Super Saiyan forms. Goku even tells his opponent to take a good look / pay close attention, who later criticizes Goku's use of seemingly pointless transformations.
• Goku's transformation to Super Saiyan in this episode is preceded by his eye turning green, exactly how it worked back in Episode 8 against Tamagami Number Three.
• His hair also flashes gold leading up to Super Saiyan 1, one of the hallmarks of his very first Super Saiyan transformation against Freeza.
  
  
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• The close-up of Goku jumping from Super Saiyan 1 to 2 gives us a much clearer view of the two forms side-by-side, and thus makes it easier to identify their differences. Super Saiyan 2 has a stronger updrafts, lifting Goku's clothes, raising some of his bangs, and pushing his hair upwards more vertically. The hair is also drawn with more detail, and the lightning of course is another giveaway in this show.
• Oddly, Neva never has Tamagami Numbers Two and Three come in to assist the fight against Third Eye Gomah, as we can see them standing idle as Goku transforms to Super Saiyan 3.
• When transforming to Super Saiyan 3, Goku's eyes and brows are the last part of him to transform.
• Daima Episode 19 is the first time Super Saiyan 3 has been used by more than one character in a single episode (we count Gotenks as one character).
• Adult Goku's Super Saiyan 3 has a higher-pitched aura sound effect, the same one used back in the Dragon Ball Z days.
• Goku's voice once again gets lower and lower-pitched with each Super Saiyan transformation.
• Goku's last line in this episode is "This is...". While obviously referring to Super Saiyan 4, Goku never actually finishes his sentence!
• When Goku transforms to Super Saiyan 4, lightning flashes in the cloudy sky and around Goku himself, another call back to his very first Super Saiyan transformation against Freeza.
• Goku pre-emptively taking his shirt off before fully transforming into Super Saiyan 4, outside of looking badass, is completely unnecessary; as we established last week, dropping out of SS4 immediately gifts Goku's shirt back!
  • If he gets it back after dropping the form next week, then Goku's discovered a way to create infinite shirts.
• That Goku throws off his shirt, undershirt and belt before transforming to Super Saiyan 4 in this episode may be why his Daima design has a longer, fold-over shirt, something his design has never had outside of the "Whis gi" from Super.
• Super Saiyan 4 Goku climbing up the rock spire is reminiscent of the final shot of GT's second opening, where Super Saiyan 4 Goku stands on top of a rock with the Earth behind him.
  • KBABZ note: Wouldn't this mean SS4 Goku is standing on the moon in that shot??
  • Robo note: It's the restored Tsufrui planet. Fake fan!
• In Episode 19 the Super Saiyan 4 form doesn't exhibit the white glow that it did in Episode 18.
  

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Dub Trivia - Episode 7

Once again the dub trivia is a KBABZ solo effort.
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Spoiler:

• After Bulma explains why Kaioshin's ship crashed, Vegeta responds to Bulma with a more accusatory "What are you going to do then?", rather than "You can do something, right?" as in the Toei subs. This was perhaps done to explain why Bulma flips at him immediately afterwards.
• When Vegeta suggests using a substitute mineral, in the Toei subs Bulma responds that "it'll require a lot of time", while the Funi dub goes with the more specific "a few months of R and D".
• Bulma's big rant at Vegeta is re-written to be more accusatory towards him in the Funi dub, where the first and second-to-last lines are "Yes, I'm sure this is all very hard for you!" and "So sorry, Vegetaaaa!". In the Toei subs these lines are "I'm the one who should be complaining!" and "I can't take this!".
• Hybis is written to be much more informal in Funi's dialogue, first shown in his opening line being "Yo! The name's Hybis. King Kadan sent me here to offer you folks a lift, so how 'bout we get goin'?". In the Toei subs this is "Hello, my name's Hybis. King Kadan asked me to come fetch you."
  • This is somewhat ironic considering it's much closer to how Goku speaks in the source material, yet Funimation won't make that change based on how their audience expects Goku to speak at this point.
• Rather than saying "He's looking after the temple", in the Funi dub Piccolo says "No, we need him to take care of the Lookout" when asked why Kibito didn't come along. This only further highlights the oddity that he was riding in Kaioshin's ship as if he WAS going to go.
• In the Toei subs, Piccolo refers to Hybis as "this guy", while in the Funi dub, it's "our driver here".
• When reacting to Hybis pulling out his map cell, Bulma has her mouth in an "o" shape for a single frame. As a result, the Funi dub adds Bulma saying "Ooh" at the start of her line reacting to it.
• Both Hybis and King Kadan speak very informally at the start of their call in the Funi dub, going "'Sup? It's Hybis on the horn!" and "Yo, King Kadan checkin' in! Where you at, pal?". In the Toei subs they go "Yes? This is Hybis" and "It's me, King Kadan. Where are you now?"
• After using the "5A" and 6A" naming scheme in the previous two episodes, Episode 7 doesn't use them!
• Whilst being escorted, in the Funi dub Glorio says "Crap, how did they figure it out?", giving the second added crap in the dub.
• Rather than saying "taking a dump" as in Toei's subs, in the Funi dub Panzy uses the odd "pinchin' off a loaf" euphemism when referring to Goku in the bushes in the previous episode.
• In the Toei subs, Goku says "You can't just take that thing off?", while in the Funi dub he says the slightly more considerate "And I guess you can't just take it off?"
• When Kaioshin suggests Goku hide in the back of the plane, Kaioshin's tone is much more relaxed in the Funi dub, compared to the more stressed tone he has in the original Japanese audio.
• After the search is completed, the Gendarme unit leader says "I could have sworn that something was up with them!" in the Toei subs. In the Funi dub he says "These freakshows must be up to something!", retaining his confidence that the group are guilty of something.
• As is typical for Funi dubs, Goku's teleportation has been given the abject technique name of "Instant Transmission".
• More importantly, however, is that in the Funi dub Kaioshin and Panzy refer to Goku's KI!! This is a rare instance of them not using the "energy" euphemism as they usually do.
• When reacting to Goku's teleport ability, in the Toei subs Panzy says "It's like magic!", while in the Funi dub she says "Like, basically magic!"
• In the Toei subs, the Gendarme officer grabbing Panzy says "True or not, a brat like her will crack under just a bit of questioning", implying he doesn't care if Panzy actually IS the figure who attacked them in Episode 4. The Funi dub obfuscates this, instead saying "So you say! Won't take much to squeeze the truth out of her either way!"
• The Gendarme pilot gives the third added crap in the Funi dub, saying "Crap! We lost a plane!"
• In the Toei subs, Panzy only says her gadget "[disables] their communicators". In the Funi dub she gives the more specific "fry the circuits".
• Despite Panzy audibly saying "Thank you!" in the Japanese audio, in the Funi dub Panzy says "Thanks, you guys!"
• The Funi dub refers to the famous material as "Katchintite", aligning with the Toei subs. Back in their dub of Z it was referred to as "Katchinite" instead.
• The Funi dub retains the name of the Glind homeworld as "planet Kaishin", an amusing contrast to the Supreme Kai title they continue to use for Kaioshin.
• Similar to earlier, "Thank you, Nahare!" in the Japanese audio is rendered as "Thanks again, Nahare!", adapting the Toei subs rather than the actual audio.
• The treatment of Kaioshin's original Glind name, Nahare, is done with a touch more tact in the Funi dub:
  • It's only ever referred to as his "real name" once, when Panzy initially asks for it. When Goku reacts, he says "Your name was really Nahare this whole time?" in the Funi dub, compared to "Kaioshin-sama, is Nahare your real name?" in the Japanese version.
  • When Goku attempts to use the name, he phrases the change as a request ("I guess I should start calling you that too then, huh?") rather than a statement ("I guess I'll start callin' you that"), allowing Kaioshin to approve of it first.
  • Similar to the above, when Goku decides to switch back, in the Funi dub he asks Kaioshin's consent first, saying "Do you mind if I just keep calling you Supreme Kai?". In the Japanese version, he instead phrases it as a statement: "I guess I'll just stick with Kaioshin-sama".
• In the Toei subs, Peral's first line is "Ah, Princess. Your wish is my command". The Funi dub however goes straight for the pun: "Why of course Princess. You can bug me anytime".
• Yet again, after getting the new PIN code Panzy audibly says "Thank you!" in the Japanese audio, but "Thanks, got it!" in the Funi dub.
• When Kaioshin says they could wait for Vegeta's group, Goku replies with "But I can't!", which explains his position a bit better than the original "I wanna hurry up".
• The Funi dub oddly has Hybis refer to his pizza as a "pie", a very American phrase.
• In the Toei subs, Goku says the Demon Realm Dragon Ball is "like one of the ones on Planet Namek". The Funi dub meanwhile says "Reminds me of the ones back on Planet Namek", a more specific phrasing that implies he saw them while he was there. This is extremely unlikely however, as the only time Goku could have seen them was when Dende grants the final wish after the Grand Elder and Porunga are resurrected.
• When explaining the Tamagami, in the Funi dub Panzy notes that she's explained most of this to Goku before, even ending with "Try paying attention sometime".
• In the Funi dub, Goku exclaims that he'll be flat as a pancake if hit by Number Three's hammer, regardless of if he has the Power Pole or not. As it turns out, it saves him from being hit multiple times during the fight in the next episode!
• In the Toei subs, Goku says "I just need to get it to give up, right?". In the Funi dub meanwhile he says "I just gotta get it to cry uncle, right?", the same phrasing used way back in their dub of the 21st Tournament arc of the original anime.
• In the Funi dub, it's less apparent that Goku isn't fighting immediately because he smells something really good nearby, since he states it at the end of his sentence rather than at the start.
• The Tamagami challenger from 20 years prior is described as having "a big gun", but the Funi dub adds that it was "as big as he was".
• In the Toei subs, Panzy refers to Dabura without his title, while in the Funi dub she says "King Dabura".
• In the Toei subs, Kaioshin responds to Goku asking them to stand back with "Yes, we understand", while in the Funi dub he says "We will! Best of luck!"
• In the Toei subs, Goku replies to Number Three with "Don't yell so loud! You surprised me!", while in the Funi dub he says "You don't have to yell so loud, I'm not standing that far away!"
• Possibly for space reasons, the Closed Captions for the Funi dub render the Tamagami's name as "Tamagami #3", rather than "Tamagami Number Three".

[nineko]

If he gets it back after dropping the form next week, then Goku's discovered a way to create infinite shirts.

I genuinely laughed while reading this, nice work

[Koitsukai]

I loved the Pan reference and I haven't seen anybody else bring it up. My reaction at the time was that of DiCaprio watching himself on TV in OUaTiH.
When I rewatch Daima, I'll be paying more attention to Bulma in the tub at the beginning. Cockblock Goku.
Goku taking off his upper gi and belt seems like the producers realised it made no sense for him to regain this clothes after Gomah reversed his transformation. Another moment that makes me think it would've been better if SS4 was introduced only after they regained their adult bodies.
Vegeta being that whipped is so funny because he is supposed to be this alpha, super macho man called Chad. Toriyama just shot down the fandom's greatest manly figure. It's even sweeter when you take into account the misogyny in the fan base, and how salty many of those fans might be.

Since the GT references are so obvious, I still cannot think how the fight with Gomah will be resolved. Fusion seems unlikely, perhaps some aid from some majins as stand ins for Android 18? Toriyama tends to resolve conflicts with teamwork, so I can definitely see others jumping in.
I hope it's nothing like the Baby finale. Goku's "comeback" seemed like a callback to Goku vs. Baby's final round, even though he wasn't "revived" or anything.

[KBABZ]

I loved the Pan reference and I haven't seen anybody else bring it up. My reaction at the time was that of DiCaprio watching himself on TV in OUaTiH.

It was one of the first things I noticed!

Goku taking off his upper gi and belt seems like the producers realised it made no sense for him to regain this clothes after Gomah reversed his transformation. Another moment that makes me think it would've been better if SS4 was introduced only after they regained their adult bodies.

Personally I think Goku just did it to be a badass, haha.

Since the GT references are so obvious, I still cannot think how the fight with Gomah will be resolved. Fusion seems unlikely, perhaps some aid from some majins as stand ins for Android 18? Toriyama tends to resolve conflicts with teamwork, so I can definitely see others jumping in.

I honestly thought the Combine Bugs would come into play by now, but they haven't yet! I can only think that, like Episode 1, Episode 20 will be extra long to accommodate for a much larger final fight that does have Goku and Vegeta fuse (and maybe some others, as Goku did buy several of them!). There's otherwise not enough time to do that and have a satisfactory wrap-up at the end.

Also... anyone else get the feeling that Saiyans are gonna be revealed as a majin race?? We've CONSTANTLY had their abilities compared to magic, Hybis flat-out says they seem like majin, and the Third Demon World looks quite a bit like planet Vegeta did in the DBS Broly movie (one of the Demon King silhouettes even has Saiyan-like hair!).

[Koitsukai]

I thought the same thing, based on the ohzaru having pointy ears and them being turned back into kids (tails coming back as the adventure progressed). Like there was some sort of crossbreeding between ningen and majin that gave birth to saiyans, like half-majins. But I think that ship has sailed.
I doubt they would drop that bomb casually at the 11th hour. By now, I think the majin comparisons are because they can't believe inferior creatures can be so powerful and extraordinary.

But I wouldn't rule it out, Toriyama always knew to fuck with the minds of the conservative side of the fandom.

[KBABZ]

I thought the same thing, based on the ohzaru having pointy ears and them being turned back into kids (tails coming back as the adventure progressed). Like there was some sort of crossbreeding between ningen and majin that gave birth to saiyans, like half-majins. But I think that ship has sailed.
I doubt they would drop that bomb casually at the 11th hour. By now, I think the majin comparisons are because they can't believe inferior creatures can be so powerful and extraordinary.

But I wouldn't rule it out, Toriyama always knew to fuck with the minds of the conservative side of the fandom.

Yeah, that's basically what I'm counting on, that the battle concludes and we get one last loredump from ol' Neva about how, I dunno, the Saiyans were originally wild but noble guardians from the Third Demon World who have an uncanny ability to transform and gain power in various ways (Oozaru, Super Saiyan, etc), and left way back when Rymus created the omniverse but subsequently lost / forgot their earliest history.

If this IS going to be revealed, then considering we have an Adult SS4 Goku vs Gomah fight and have ALSO yet to see a return of the Medi Bugs (specifically the Join Bugs), the last episode would have to be a longer one like Episode 1 was to accommodate everything.

[Robo4900]

Well, here we are.

The end of the journey.

Thanks for taking it with us, it's been a joy.

Errata Trivia
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Spoiler:

• The Kanzenban ending of the manga has the narrator say that "there will still be various troubles, no different than before". Oh how right he was...
• Episode 1 - The first Daima episode is the only one to use a narrator outside of the series recap. Not even Episode 20 uses him at the very end!
• Episode 1 - The first half of this episode is the only time the First Demon World has any rain!
• Episode 1 - As revealed in Episode 20, the cape worn by Dabura signifies his position as Supreme Demon King. Gomah and Degesu wear similar capes, however they lack the points at the bottom, meaning they could be "Vice-Supreme Demon King" capes. However Arinsu is not depicted wearing one when King Coo names her Vice-King in Episode 20.
• Episode 1 - The wide shot looking up the Magic Monitor dome shows how many shots and panels from the Boo Arc were recreated for Daima that are never given focus. Around 2/5ths of them are never given any focus and can only be picked out if you pay attention to the background.
• Episode 1 - Zig-zags are a prominently used pattern in the Demon King Castle, which appears to be an intentional decision to have repeating 'M's all over the architecture. This is even visible on the top of the throne and on Gomah's bodysuit!
• Episode 1 - Daima's first episode is the only one to have an extended runtime, at 32 minutes and 5 seconds. The other nineteen episodes have a runtime of exactly 23 minutes and 50 seconds, meaning Episode 1 is 8 minutes 15 seconds longer than them. Why this is the case is unknown, however we both have theories:
  • KBABZ feels it was to properly pace out the recap of the Boo Arc, which would be insufficiently short if it were cut down.
  • Robo's theory meanwhile is that the series rumoured origins as a streaming series meant all the episodes needed some rearranging and Episode 1 was the only one they couldn't figure out how to break up into 24-minute parts in a way that worked structurally, so they asked for a one-off exception to the usual TV runtime restrictions.
• Episode 2 - Despite being advised to do so by Karin in Episode 2, the only time Goku is depicted riding Kinto'un in Daima (and in fact its only appearance at all) is the OP shot of him bursting out of the clouds to meet the Demon Realm planes.
• Episode 4 - The sign for Join Bugs depicts three figures in the "Before" illustration, implying you can fuse more than two people into a single being. Despite this, the Drive-In Lady only describes them working for two people.
  • This tracks with a statement Toriyama made in an interview for Dragon Ball Full Colour Boo Arc, Vol. 4:

    Q4: Can anybody perform Fusion if their body size and power are the same?
    Toriyama: It’s hard, but they can!
    I think it’s possible to merge no matter the conditions, as long as it all goes well. I even think it’s possible for a larger number of people. However, since it’s quite hard for both parties to strike that delicate balance, it’s very difficult for two extremely different people to fuse. In that sense, synchronized swimmers would probably be really good at Fusion. By the way, there are many different types of Fusion, and the kind Goku learned is the one for increasing battle power.

• Episode 4 - Despite buying several different kinds of Medi Bugs (including two Join Bugs), Goku only manages to use three Healing Bugs in the show. This means that despite prominently focusing on the Join Bug, as if to tease the debut of Gogeta (or a third fusion variant we've never seen before), it ultimately turns out to be a red herring, possibly to distract from the return of Super Saiyan 4.
• Episode 4 - The jar with the remaining two Evil Third Eyes isn't visible in this episode, as it's completely obscured by the two jars in front of it.
• Episode 4 - When Goku calls to Glorio to ask if they can buy some Medi Bugs, two more Medi Bug signs are visible that the Rest-Stop Lady doesn't explain. One appears to be for cramps, while the other may be for treating body odour.
• Episode 4 - When the Dragon Team does buy the Medi-Bugs, the Rest-Stop Lady notes that it's been "decades" since anyone bought souvenirs. The Evil Third Eyes are noted in Episode 20 to have only sold one in an even longer amount of time. One wonders why she kept the stall up.
• Episode 6 - Kaioshin aside, the Dragon Team that explores the Third Demon World is very similar to the GT Trio. We of course have Kid Goku, who is accompanied by the tallest member of the group with a blue/purple colour palette, and joined by a tagalong kid dressed in red and yellow!
• Episode 7 - Panzy snoozing at the campfire would make her Sleeping Princess in Devil's, erm, Cave.
• Episode 7 - Panzy describing ki attacks as being like magic is similar to Videl learning about it in the Boo Arc, where she calls them "magic tricks" simply because they're so alien to her.
• Episode 11 - Neva states that he created the Tamagami to guard the Dragon Balls from mis-use. However Demon Realm Porunga only acknowledges wishes made in Namekian, which seems to be a functionally dead language in the Demon Realm – giving the Dragon Balls an additional layer of security stemming from the Namekians departing.
• Episode 11 - Tamagami Number Two has elongated feet, a flipper-like design that allows him to swim more effectively.
• Episode 13 - This episode's gimmick of a giant-scale planet of course references the sixth episode of GT. More than that, however, is that GT Episode 6 is itself based on one of Toriyama's art pieces for the GT production, depicting a giant investigating the Octoship, deepening the link Daima Episode 13 has with prior works.
  • The other two pieces that Toriyama made were also adapted into Daima, in a sense. The second piece of the GT trio on a rocky, arid world is visually similar to the Third Demon World (which also has centipedes, albeit for lunch). The third piece depicts Trunks with a pistol, and while he doesn't have one in GT, Glorio would have a laser pistol that he occasionally uses.
• Episode 16 - The sixteenth episode is the sixth and last episode to use a bespoke title card. This means just under a third of Daima's episodes use one, while the rest overlay the title over the first 1-2 shots of the episode itself.
• Episode 18 - Majin Doo's last major contribution and presence in the story is his chocolate cookie-powered Super Saiyan 3-style power-up. After this point, he remains largely in the background compared to his brother, and has only one more line ("Chocolate cookie!") at the end of Episode 20.
• Episode 18 - The last episode of Daima reveals that Goku was already capable of Super Saiyan 4 since before Daima, recontextualizing his debut of it in this episode. Neva's gift was perhaps more along the lines of allowing Goku to use SS4 in his child form, and Goku looking at himself post-transformation was less SS4 and more that he's never used it as a kid.
  • Robo postulates that Neva pushed Goku into a more stable version of a form he'd been floundering to try to achieve prior to this point. He does say to Vegeta in Episode 20 that he didn't know if Super Saiyan 4 would actually work, after all.
• Episode 19 - While Goku powers up to Super Saiyan 4, Tamagami Numbers Two and Three are visibly still resting at their podiums, and Number Three has his chest slot empty. This means they have not gone to retrieve their associated Dragon Balls after they dispersed at the start of this episode.
• Episode 19 - This episode is the final time the ED set to NAKAMA appears in the show.
• Episode 19 - As a result of the above, the exact meaning of the bird-like figure made out of white feathers at the end of the ED is left unexplained. KBABZ has a theory, however: in the We Were Angels ending for Dragon Ball Z's Boo Arc, white feathers were used to represent the memory of Goku in Gohan's high-school life after his death in the Cell Arc. With that in mind, it's possible that the feathered figure represents Akira Toriyama.

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Episode 464 - Maximum (Daima Episode 20)
Originally aired 28th of February 2025
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Aya Komaki
Animation supervisor: Tadayoshi Yamamuro, Yūya Takahashi, Chikashi Kubota, Takumi Yamamoto, Shuntarō Mura, Kōji Watanabe, & Shun Sawai

Having been restored, Goku finally surpasses his limits! To defeat the mighty Giant Gomah, who keeps regenerating through the power of the Third Eye, everyone puts in their maximum effort in an all-out battle!
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Spoiler:

• Dragon Ball Daima concluded on February 28th 2025, the eve of the first anniversary of Akira Toriyama's death.
• The title of this episode in Japanese is "Zenkai", translated to "Maximum" in English. Zenkai is also a DBZ fan term for the Saiyan effect of getting stronger after coming back from the brink of death, which was prominently featured in the Namek Arc.
• When you count up every episode of Dragon Ball, Z and Daima, "Zenkai", the 20th episode of Daima, is Episode 464. Coincidentally, Dragon Ball GT lasted 64 episodes!
• Daima Episode 20 is the only Daima episode to have more than two Animation Supervisors, with a grand total of SEVEN (the same number as Earth / Namek Dragon Balls!). They are:
  • Tadayoshi Yamamuro - Eps 16, 18, 19
  • Yūya Takahashi - Eps 2, 5, 9, 12, 16, 19
  • Chikashi Kubota - Episode 1
  • Takumi Yamamoto - Eps 6, 14
  • Shuntarō Mura - Eps 13, 17
  • Kōji Watanabe - Eps 5, 11, 13, 17
  • Shun Sawai - Eps 9, 16
  • The above list is only a small number of the total Anim and Chief Anim Supervisors who contributed to the show, and is NOT the total number of them. Not even close!
  • Of the above, only Tadayoshi Yamamuro worked on the classic era of Dragon Ball (having worked on every anime series to date, and many of the movies and specials). Kōji Watanabe meanwhile made his franchise debut with Daima.
• On Crunchyroll, the last three Daima episodes all use a close-up of Third Eye Gomah for their thumbnails, presumably to avoid showing spoilers for Super Saiyan 4 and Glorio's wish to Demon Realm Porunga. They do however spoil the development that Gomah acquires the Evil Third Eye and the major effect it has on him.
• An official name for Third Eye Gomah is given in this episode's description as "Giant Gomah", although it's unclear if this is specific to the kaiju-sized version that debuted at the end of Episode 18.
• The description also states that Goku "finally surpasses his limits!". However at the end of this episode Goku reveals that he has always been able to reach Super Saiyan 4 (he just hadn't actually done it yet).
• The description also-also implies that the episode name of "Maximum" refers to all of the cast, not just the adult Super Saiyan 4 form specifically.
• Daima Episode 20 is the second episode to not use the intro, after Episode 1. It is however the first episode to not use the intro OR the series recap!
• Episode 20 is the tenth Daima episode to begin with a scene that ended the previous one, after Episodes 2, 4, 5, 8, 12, 13, 14, 15, 18 and 19 (exactly half of Daima).
• After we noted its absence last week, Goku regains the white glow from when he used Super Saiyan 4 as a kid in Episode 18. This time however it has a much thicker, "steaming hot" aesthetic as Goku powers up for battle.
  
  
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• Both of Goku's battles as Super Saiyan 4 begin with him saying "Ikuzo!", or "Here I go!" in English.
• Unlike the preceding Super Saiyan forms, Super Saiyan 4 doesn't have a deepening effect on Goku's voice.
• In many shots of this episode, the scale of Third Eye Gomah appears to be the initial size from the start of the fight in Episode 17, compared to the kaiju size he gained at the end of Episode 18. This is especially apparent in the moment when Goku is able to wrap his arms around Gomah's waist.
• The moment where Goku is punched into one of the huge outer spikes is the only time in the show anybody touches the spikes that ring around Gomah's arena.
• It's unclear if the scepter Gomah briefly uses in this episode is a brand new one, or if he summoned the one he threw away back in Episode 16. Regardless, the sequence where he uses it is the only time he's seen with it in Third Eye form, and the last time we see him with it at all.
  • It also implies that the scepter has magic properties, which is never shown anywhere else in the show.
• Goku does a second "Spin Dash" roll in this episode, when retreating back from his initial bout with Gomah.
• While each of Goku's Super Saiyan 4 transformations debuts a new music piece just for that transformation, Episode 20 is the only one to use both in the same episode: the adult piece when Goku prepares for battle, and the child piece four minutes in when Goku jumps back into the fray for the second bout.
• Goku charging up for his Kamehameha is the fifth and final time Daima's SS4 white glow makes an appearance.
• Each of Daima's SS4 white glows appear at similar points for child and adult Goku: just after the initial transformation, and again for that form's big attack upon Third Eye Gomah. Adult Goku adds an extra one just after Goku dodges the green laser beams.
• When Goku charges up for his mega Kamehameha (Kamehamega? 50x Kamehameha?), the lightning produced by this cracks into all of Gomah's magic orbs to deflect them, meaning the lightning serves an actual purpose!
• Rather than being CG, the shot that pulls back from Goku dispelling Gomah's magic orbs all the way to the outside of the arena is animated in 2D.
• The shot of Goku standing on his own whilst lighting strikes the ground around him is once again reminiscent of his original Super Saiyan transformation in the Namek Arc.
• The shot of Goku firing the Kamehameha right at the viewer is a recreation of Toriyama's piece for Weekly Shonen Jump's 37th issue of 1990, possibly the most famous piece of Dragon Ball art Toriyama ever produced.
• The clash of Goku's Kamehameha beam onto Gomah's magic orb is reminiscent of the Kamehameha / Galick Gun clash from the Saiyan Arc, possibly the most iconic ki beam clash in the franchise. It's also visually similar to Bardock's futile attack against Freeza's planet destroying ki ball in the Bardock Special and Super Broly movie.
  
  
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• The shot of the Kamehameha piercing through Gomah meanwhile is visually similar to Goku punching through Piccolo Daimao, his most triumphant victory as a child. Both of these were enacted upon Demon Kings!
• Going by the Kamehameha beam, Tamagami Numbers Two and Three stand relatively close to each other vertically. Unless they moved the Dragon Balls to those spots, this has the amusing implication that the Two and Three-Star Balls landed relatively close to each other after their last use!
• While Dragon Ball is famous for characters destroying mountains, this is the first time a character has destroyed multiple worlds!
• While the source of the Third Demon World's light isn't very apparent, the shot of the water falling through the ceiling may provide the answer: the clouds!
• Episode 20 is the first Daima episode (and to KBABZ's knowledge, first in the franchise's history) to have more than one spot for the ad breaks! This was previously used for the Bardock, Trunks, and Goku Jr. TV specials, which required them due to their extended runtimes (approximately 43 minutes each).
• After the first ad break, Third Eye Gomah is consistently depicted as kaiju-sized until his defeat.
• In a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, in the shot panning down to Gomah's healing wound, his huge grin is illuminated in a bright, glowing red colour.
• Yup, Majin Coo really defeats Supreme Demon King Gomah by throwing the book at him!
• Goku is never shown dropping out of Super Saiyan 4 on his own: he's forced out of it by Third Eye Gomah in Episode 18, and does it off-screen at the second ad break of Episode 20.
• As highlighted by Neva, King Gomah's reign as Supreme Demon King is likely the shortest of any Demon King. This is ironic because it was entirely his fault: had he listened to Degesu's advice, he never would have drawn Goku and friends to the Demon Realm to defeat him.
• It's revealed that Arinsu had captured her brother Degesu after he was arrested at the end of Episode 16. When this happened isn't known, and it also isn't known what King Kadan did with Degesu after his capture.
  • One possibility KBABZ thought of is that Arinsu and Marba went to fetch Degesu from King Kadan after Gomah was defeated, as they return just after Gomah finishes whining to Neva.
• Gomah and Degesu both react in shock when learning the other has been captured. This implies two things: that Gomah never saw the Dragon Team defeat Degesu via the Magic Monitor, and that King Kadan's men held Degesu captive in such a way that he was uninformed about the Gomah fight.
• The jar used to contain Gomah and Degesu bears a resemblance to the jar of Ordinary Water atop Karin's Tower.
• Marba does something with a staggering resemblance to the Mafuba technique in this episode. It isn't known whether the Mafuba comes from the Demon Realm and made its way into Universe 7, or if Marba picked it up after seeing Mutaito / Roshi perform it.
  • Robo's theory is that Marba used a magic spell with an equivalent effect, since the Demon Realm operates more on magic than martial arts, and the Mafuba is a ki technique. Supporting this is that the colours are different (the Mafuba was green, Marba's spell is purple).
• Interestingly, it's Dende who verbally acknowledges the Mafuba, albeit without name-dropping it directly. It's unknown when exactly Dende learned about the Mafuba, but learning the history of his predecessor is a logical thing for him to do after becoming God of Earth.
  • The above is an interesting choice, because Piccolo of course has had the move used on him five times. First via Mutaito, second by Roshi's failed attempt, third by Tenshinhan's failed attempt, fourth by God on Piccolo, and fifth when Piccolo reverses the Mafuba back onto God.
• Episode 20 is the third time Goku has been seen possessing Nyoi-bo as an adult in a Dragon Ball anime, after the first Dragon Ball Z movie ("Dead Zone") and GT Episode 64 at the very end of the classic anime's run.
  • This imagery was famously used for promoting Dragon Ball Super: Broly, but he never actually did this in the movie itself.
• The scale of adult Goku compared to kid Goku is easily expressed in how much thinner Nyoi-bo's string is around his chest.
• The string of Nyoi-bo should not be able to fit around adult Goku's torso, as it's only ever been just long enough to comfortably fit around his child-sized torso (and would be even shorter after it broke at the end of Episode 17). Maybe the sheath and string also extend magically?
• The stone ruins the Dragon Team stands in in the aftermath scene are likely the blocks used for one of the palace's decorative tendrils, which Third Eye Gomah accidentally destroyed when fighting Vegeta in Episode 17.
• Interestingly, Majin Coo doesn't gain the Demon King cape until he realizes he's eligible for the title and acknowledges it, and not a moment sooner! It's possible he just shapeshifted to gain it, or it's possible he was magically granted it the moment it was agreed he was the king.
• In the first episode of the series, it was implied that Boo was considered a threat to the throne, which Neva confirms here by stating that the one who defeats the Demon King is eligible for the title. Ironically, a descendant of Boo becomes Demon King in the last episode of the series!
• Arinsu states that she cannot become Supreme Demon King without the magic power of the Dragon Balls. However as shown in Episode 19 and the slides of 20's credits, the Tamagami no longer possess the Dragon Balls, meaning it'd be a lot easier for her to gather them up to make her wish. One possible explanation for why she doesn't is that she can't speak Namekian!
• Of Majin Coo's chosen Ministers, three are from the First Demon World (Arinsu, Doo and Marba), two are from the Third World (Glorio and King Kadan), and one is from the Second World (Neva). Had Piccolo and Dende accepted, and Coo chosen Hybis, all three Demon Worlds would be tied on Minister headcounts.
• It's appropriate for Piccolo to swear in Supreme Demon King Coo, as Piccolo Daimao had previously fashioned himself as a King; Daimao translates to Great Demon King (which is why Funimation called him King Piccolo).
• The large plane seen at the end of this episode is the only Demon Realm plane not seen in the OP or ED. It's also the first plane the characters ride in that doesn't crash!
• Panzy is Daima's second blue-skinned Majin to make off with valuables from the Demon King palace, after the "Beautiful Woman in the Strange Hat" in Episode 16.
• Kaioshin states he outright can't eat solid food like the chocolate cookies. Before this it was only implied, but not confirmed, that he can't eat food.
• King Coo and Majin Doo are the first major characters from the First Demon World to be shown in another Demon World. The first of any character that we see is Dabura's minion in the Evil Third Eye history sequence in Episode 15.
• Vegeta once again complains that Goku had kept a new form from him. As Goku points out, this is hypocritical as Vegeta did the same thing with his mastery of Super Saiyan 3 (and Goku was happy for him!). This also ignores that there would have been no context for Goku to demonstrate it to Vegeta outside of just showing off, which Vegeta likely would have been displeased with.
• I know I keep banging on about this, but Goku namedrops Super Saiyan 4 shortly after its debut, which is a rarity for the series.
• Goku states that he worked towards Super Saiyan 4 after encountering Boo's massive strength. This is rather inkeeping with his outlook at the time, as he got to Super Saiyan 3 whilst in Other World despite having no reason to do so outside of personal growth. Despite his general grouchiness, this seems to be where Vegeta's outlook has landed too.
• Goku also says that he wasn't sure if it would work, which may be why Neva had to give him a magical boost for it to work in his child form.
• Another amusing thought is that despite Super Saiyan 3 and 4's massive effects on the local environment (as well as the colossal ki as a result), neither Goku nor Vegeta notice the other's advancements. For comparison, in the manga Goku using Super Saiyan 3 had such an effect that Gohan was able to detect it from the World of the Kais!
  • This isn't the first time Dragon Ball has done this sort of thing: Trunks and Vegeta were somehow able to keep "Super Saiyan Grade 2" a secret from each other despite them training in the void of the Room of Spirit and Time!
• Vegeta derisively calls recent events as "like a bargain sale of Super Saiyans". He made a near-identical comment in the Boo Arc after learning that Trunks and Goten could go Super Saiyan as kids.
  • Almost every English rendition of the Boo Arc moment conveys the "bargain sale" line. The ViZ manga has him say "...It's a bargain sale on Super Saiyans..." whereas the Funimation dub has him say "Yes naturally it's a Super Saiyan bargain sale," and the Ocean dub diverges from the common wording with "Yes of course, it's a Super Saiyan two-for-one sale." Meanwhile Funimation's Kai dub, in typical fashion, goes with a very wordy rendition: "What is this, some sort of Super Saiyan bargain basement sale?"
  • We argued for a while about whether to point out that Vegeta says the English words "bargain sale," which Ocean changed to "two for one sale." Robo maintains they have the same meaning, but KBABZ doesn't like that they didn't reflect the use of real English words. Robo points out things like "charisma" as a noun in Japanese, bloomers (the origin of Bulma), and the difficulties of mouth flaps... but we still couldn't reach any consensus. Fight It Out in the replies.
  • Ultimately it does make sense for Vegeta to make these comments, as he spent decades of his life under the impression that the legendary Super Saiyan would only appear for one particular individual under very specific circumstances.
• When Neva asks Piccolo if he too wishes to remain on Earth, Piccolo responds with "Pretty much". This was the same response Neva gave to Piccolo when asked if he created the Tunnel barriers in Ep 14, and to Bulma when asked if he lived in the Second Demon World alone in Ep 11.
• Dende describes the Namekians in Universe 7 as having "lost Planet Namek" and are "reduced to nomads". However the end of the Namek Arc had the Namekians used Porunga to create New Namek, which appeared during the Cell and Boo Arcs. The use of the word "nomads" imply that at least some portion of them still do not feel at home there.
• King Kadan asks Goku to look at "the Tunnel" to see its effects on the environment. However he doesn't specify if he means the tunnel made by Goku's Kamehameha or the Tunnel that Neva sealed with barriers, and neither should be visible from Kadan Castle as they are both several days flying away. The Toei subtitles capitalize the "T" in Tunnel, implying that he's referring to the barrier Tunnel near Sir Warp (but Sir Warp isn't visible in the wide shot), while King Kadan's words instead imply it's Goku's Kamehameha tunnel.
• In an easily-missed detail, none of the majin seen at the end of the episode have collars, meaning the people of the Third Demon World are free under Majin Coo's regime.
• The Third and First Demon World majin mingling together would be the first time they're able to easily visit each other in over a thousand years (this timespan is likely, because Kaioshin is familiar with the Tunnel shields in Episode 3, and the Glind departed the Demon Realm over a thousand years prior to Daima).
• The Dragon Team have visible aliasing when standing atop the plane as it flies away, meaning they're actually a 2D billboard stuck onto the 3D model!
• Episode 20 is the second episode to end with Jaka Jaan over black scrolling credits, after Episode 1 did so.
• The credits sequence for Episode 20 would be re-used for the credits of the theatrical presentation of Episodes 1-3, including the use of Jaka Jaan. The difference is that the images are stills from Episodes 1-3 rather than showing an epilogue.
• In the credits, all three Tamagami are shown without the Dragon Balls in their chests. This implies that Neva now trusts the majin to make responsible wishes... despite Arinsu still being around, whose entire scheme was to usurp Gomah using the Dragon Balls!
• Going by the credits epilogue, it appears that King Coo has not disbanded the Gendarmerie. Remember, AGAB!
• In the Kame House credits shot, Oolong is seen drinking from a blue beer glass. This is actually surprisingly dangerous for a being of his size!
• The Kami's Lookout credits shot is the first time Mr. Popo has been seen without his turban on as an adult!
• The hoverboard Goten rides in his and Trunks' credits shot has yellow flames with a red outline on a blue background. This is the exact same colour scheme as the "Mr. Satan 666" car driven by Gohan and Videl, which appeared in the Weekly Shonen Jump fold out poster for its 31st issue of 1993. The art piece would inspire DBZ's Boo Arc eyecatches, where the car stops and is lifted up by Goten.
• Goten and Trunks are not shown wearing ANY safety gear for their art piece. If you aren't Saiyan like they are, DO NOT DO THIS.
• While Trunks and Goten both wear armbands in this shot, Trunks is wearing blue armbands like Goku's. No work on if Vegeta chewed him out for wearing the uniform of the enemy.
• The lighthouse that Gomah and Degesu are trapped in is modelled after the Second Demon World. Its facilities include a tree swing, a well, hanafuda cards, a 4:3 flatscreen TV that looks like an iMac, a games console, and one really powerful light bulb!
• The second credits shot for Gomah and Degesu shows them playing videos games. This is similar to a 4-panel comic Toriyama drew for Jump Multiworld's pamphlet in 1993, showing Vegeta finally defeating Goku before revealing it was over a Super Famicom game.
• The controllers used by Gomah and Degesu in their second credits shot appear to be a mix of SNES and PlayStation controllers that use IR sensors (meaning they have to be pointed directly at a target in order to work). They also appear to have two D-Pads, giving the controllers a WonderSwan vibe!
• The TV they're playing on meanwhile looks a lot like Apple iMac computers.
• The wide shot of the flying plane in the epilogue has very visible aliasing artifacts compared to the rest of the CG planes in the shows.
• Panzy is the third character depicted eating from a brown bag of Demon Realm crisps, after Gaimoi of the Gendarmerie Force, and Goku. It's unknown if this bag is Trash Salt Mold Mayonnaise, or some other flavor, however.
• Goku respectfully refers to Glorio with the title of Minister, but disrespectfully fails to say his name correctly. This is also the first time Glorio doesn't acknowledge the mis-pronunciation!
• Goku says to Glorio that he's running low on Senzu Beans. They may have been depleted outright, as he didn't bring any with him after passing through Karin's Tower back in Episode 2.
• The picture of King Coo in the newspaper depicts him with Majin Doo, but not Arinsu!
• The Rest Stop Lady doesn't acknowledge Panzy as the princess of the Third Demon Realm. Whether this is through familiarity or just plain not knowing is, well, not known.
• Bulma buying up all the Beaut Bugs is another knock against the idea that Daima takes place in the same continuity as Super. This is because wishing herself to be a year or two younger was the reason why she keeps tabs on the Dragon Balls by Dragon Ball Super: Broly. If she has the Beaut Bugs (which restore skin by DECADES rather than a few years), she'd have no reason to do that!
  
  
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• The jar of Evil Third Eyes is now visible behind the other jars, after being obscured by other jars back in Episode 4. This is because we never got a side-on view of the souvenir stall!
• The side-on view of the stall allows us to see what the other two barrels of Medi Bugs one: the left-hand one is rather difficult to decipher (perfect sense of direction and lay of the land, perhaps?), but the right-hand one clearly shows it helps relieve back pain!
• The sign in the jar of Evil Third Eyes is unmarked, which probably helped them stay hidden for so long!
• The Evil Third Eyes not selling well due to being "suspicious" was alluded to back in Episodes 15 and 16, where the "Beautiful Woman in the Strange Hat" is visibly disgusted by one.
• Hopefully, the Dragon Team do the responsible thing: buy the remaining two Third Eyes and immediately squash them so nobody else can use them!
  • GOKU: Okay, but, go with me on this one, what if we wish back Freeza and—
    BULMA (spraying him with a water bottle): No! Bad Goku. BAD!
• At no point do Goku or Kaioshin ride the blue dragon depicted in Daima's key art. This is similar to many of the manga's title pages, often depicting Goku and Bulma in vehicles, outfits and mounts that they would never do in the series itself.
• Panzy has carried a large dagger packed into her sling bag since her introduction, however despite having the wasabi bombs, taser, communications disabler / laser pistol, and electric fly swatter, she's never actually seen using the dagger, or even drawing it from its sheath.
• Dragon Ball Daima concludes with a "The End" card. This is its final similarity to GT, which is the only other Dragon Ball anime series to end this way.
  • The final Dragon Ball Z movie ("Wrath of the Dragon") and Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero also do this, meaning all four animated continuities (Classic Anime, Classic Movies, Super and Daima) conclude with "The End"!
  • Daima is four and a half months short of ending on the 30th anniversary of Wrath of the Dragon, and a few days short of Fusion Reborn's 30th!

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Son Goku, the warrior who has continually fought and overcome limits in order to keep the peace on Earth, as well as the universe, now makes his departure. Because of you, Goku, it has been fun. Goofy and cheerful... and gentle... that is the Goku we all loved. This is where the story of Dragon Ball Daima ends. Even after this, we can probably expect there will be various troubles, no different than before. But somehow, they’ll be able to overcome them… it will be all right, because Earth has some incredible guys…!
Come back soon, Goku! Everyone is waiting for your return!

[KBABZ]

Dragon Ball GT recap music plays

Oh-ho-ho, you thought it was done? Not so! I'm still going to do the dub trivia, but for the sake of Daima ending I'll be posting this week's dub trivia a bit later.

What I'll be posting NOW though is a timeline of Demon Realm history, based on everything we've learned from across the manga and Daima (I'm not counting anything else, sorry!). Please note that some events have their approximate time period known, but the exact placement is guessed at (such as, for example, when the PIN code system for Sir Warp was put in place).

Anything with bold at the start is an event where we have a confirmed year or other method to mathematically place it against another known Dragon Ball event.

Also! This list is open to critique and corrections!

Spoiler:

• At some point in time, a good Supreme Demon King, seeking to expand the Demon Realm, asks Super Majin Rymus (the highest power around) to create the greater omniverse, which exists alongside the singular Demon Realm. Passage between the universes and the Demon Realm is accomplished freely via Sir Warp.
• At some point in time, many majin begin moving to the newly-created universes. Rymus selects a chosen few Glind (who originate from planet Kaishin in the Second Demon World) to serve as the Kaioshin to monitor each universe.
• Fifteen generations before Nahare's time as Kaioshin, a Glind that will later become known as "Old Kai" attains the position of a Kaioshin in Universe 7. He later accidentally fuses with an Old Witch when she tries on one of his Potara Earrings.
• At some point in time, the Kaioshin later known as "Old Kai" is sealed into the Z Sword on the World of the Kais by "a bad guy almost as bad as Majin Boo". In Dragon Ball Super this is said to be Beerus, the God of Destruction, who is far more powerful but isn't as evil, and the sword becomes a legend among the Kaioshin.
• "A long time" before Daima, a Supreme Demon King purchases one of the three Evil Third Eyes from a Rest Stop in the Third Demon World. Despite granting enormous levels of strength and infinitely restoring stamina, their suspicion and sheer price means the shop owner doesn't sell any more.
• At some point in time Supreme Demon King Abura, fearing the potential threat of beings from outside the Demon Realm, limits the use of Sir Warp in some way (but NOT the PIN codes).

• At some point in time, Dabura initiates a plan to steal the Evil Third Eye from Supreme Demon King Abura, his father. While the Third Eye is lost in a forest in the Third Demon World, Dabura continues with his plans regardless.
• At some point in time, due to the chaos of the Second Demon World being visited by "ruffians" from the Third and "arrogant fools" from the First, the legendary Namekian known as Neva secretly creates shields blocking the Tunnels that connect the three Demon Worlds. Sir Warp is used instead, sufficiently quieting things down for the Second Demon World races.
• At some point in time, the Glind known as Arinsu is born, and later Nahare is as well. Glind are born every few centuries from the five Glind Trees in the Second Demon World.
• 216 years after Nahare's birth, Degesu is born from the same Glind Tree as Arinsu and Nahare, making them all siblings.
• At some point in time, the five Glind Trees die out, dooming the Glind to eventual extinction.
• At some point in time, the witch known as Marba creates Majin Boo at the behest of the wizard Bibidi. Marba allows Bibidi to take the credit, obscuring her involvement. Boo is incredibly powerful, but can't be controlled and goes on a rampage, throwing the Demon Realm into chaos - notably killing many Glind.
• Over a thousand years before Daima (aka more than Age –225), the Glind that remain in the Demon Realm revolt against Abura's cruel ways, as well as the chaos caused by Majin Boo. With no reason to stay, the Glind escape to the outside world, Nahare included. Degesu and Arinsu remain behind as they prefer the excitement of the Demon Realm, and at some point move to the First Demon World.
• At some point in time, Dabura successfully kills his father and takes the throne of Supreme Demon King, which Nahare learns about. Gomah becomes Vice-Supreme Demon King as a result.
• At some point in time, Degesu becomes assistant to Vice-Supreme Demon King Gomah, and Arinsu receives funding for her research.
• At some point in time, Arinsu creates the Magic Collars, which are fitted to all residents of the Third Demon World, even at birth.
• At some point in time, Nahare becomes the East Kaioshin of Universe 7. By this point, Universe 7 has a Kaioshin for each cardinal direction, as well as a Grand Kaioshin who oversees them.
• At some point in time, Bibidi and Majin Boo visit the Other World of Universe 7 and cause chaos there. Boo kills the North, West and South Kaioshin, but when he absorbs the Dai Kaioshin, he becomes the mostly docile "Fat" Majin Boo, and Bibidi seals him away on planet Earth. As a result of all this, Nahare becomes the sole Kaioshin of Universe 7, but he is accompanied by a Glind attendant in Kibito.

• At some point in time, Neva creates the three Namekian Dragon Balls, as something of a reward to the Namekians for their efforts. Eventually he decides to create the Tamagami to guard them from mis-use.
• At some point in time, the Namekians, being treated as little more than slaves thanks to their magical abilities, secretly depart the Second Demon World (also motivated by the chaos of First and Third Demon World visitors). They take many Ajisa trees with them and settle on a planet in Universe 7 that they name Planet Namek. There, they create their own set of seven Namekian Dragon Balls, guarded by their Elders rather than by Tamagami. Neva however stays behind in the Second Demon World, keeping it safe for their return.
• At some point in time, Dabura challenges Tamagami Number Three and loses.
• At some point in time, Dabura instates the PIN code system onto Sir Warp, further restricting its use.
• At some point in time, Babidi, the son of Bibidi, visits the Demon Realm and casts a spell on Dabura, using Dabura's evil to turn him to his will and increasing the Demon King's strength. This seems to not be noticed by the populace.
• In Age 474, 300 years before the Boo Arc, Dabura arrives on Earth, presumably to find Bibidi's ship and scout the planet for any potential threats (of which there are none).
• At some point in time, the son of Katatz is sent from planet Namek to Earth during Namek's great floods. He later splits off his evil side into Piccolo Daimao of the Demon Clan. The good side remains to become the God of Earth ("Kami") and creates the seven Earth Dragon Balls, while Piccolo eventually terrorizes the planet.
• Piccolo Daimao terrorises the planet Earth, but is eventually defeated by Mutaito, master of Muten Roshi and the Crane Hermit. Mutaito does this by sealing Piccolo inside a rice cooker with the Mafuba technique.
• In Age 693, eighty-two years before Dragon Ball Daima, Panzy is born in the Third Demon World, heir to the throne held by her father, King Kadan.
• At some point in time, the majin Hybis finds the Evil Third Eye in the forest, not knowing what it is.
• In Age 753, the Pilaf Gang free Piccolo Daimao in an attempt to rule the world. Piccolo does this instead by usurping them, but he is defeated by Son Goku.
• In Age 762, galactic land shark Freeza arrives on Namek seeking the Dragon Balls. After the Namekians and their Dragon Balls are wished to planet Earth, Frieza is defeated by Goku, however the planet is destroyed in the process.
• In Age 764, the Namekians use their Dragon Balls to create New Namek, and transport themselves and their Dragon Balls to it, departing Earth for good.
• In Age 765, 20 years before Daima, someone with a huge gun challenges Tamagami Number Three in the Third Demon World, but dies in an instant rather than give up.
• In Age 766, the God of Earth merges with Piccolo, turning the Earth Dragon Balls to stone. To solve this, Goku visits New Namek for a new God, with Dende being selected for the position.
• At some point in time, Arinsu figures out that it was Marba who created Boo, not Bibidi. How she learned this is unclear, but Gomah later suspects Dabura's involvement.
• At some point in time, Gomah and Degesu conduct a search for the Namekians in the Demon Realm, but are unable to find any (not counting Neva, obviously).
• At some point in time, Dabura vacates the throne unannounced to assist his master Babidi in awakening Boo within Bibidi's buried spaceship on planet Earth.

• In Age 774, the Boo Arc begins. Babidi and Dabura visit Earth to resurrect Majin Boo, with Nahare and Kibito recruiting the Dragon Team to stop them. Boo is released and kills Dabura, and eventually Babidi as well, earning his freedom.
• During that same day, Vegeta sacrifices himself in an unsuccessful attempt to kill Majin Boo. Dr. Arinsu secretly visits the crater and recovers a sample of the fragmented Boo, taking it back to the Demon Realm.
• During that same day, Nahare and Kibito accidentally fuse into Kibitoshin via the Potara Earrings, having no idea the process is permanent. Goku and Vegeta later use Old Kaioshin's Potara to fuse into Vegetto, but after infiltrating the innards of Super Boo, are defused by magical gases inside his body.
• Finally, Goku kills Pure Boo on the World of the Kais. Boo's good side is able to survive, and in fact helps to defeat the destructive and evil side, Pure Boo.
• In the following months, Arinsu and Marba use the Boo sample to create a new, more controllable version of Boo, although one attempt was so weak that even Arinsu herself could defeat it.
• In Age 775, after hiding for six months, a wish on the Earth Dragon Balls erases the Earth's memory of Majin Boo's rampage, allowing Good Boo to walk free among them.
• At some point in time, Kibitoshin approaches Good Boo and asks him to assist in defusing them. Boo ingests them and spits out the defused Kaioshin and Kibito, restored to normal.
• Some months after Earth's memories of Boo were wished away, Dragon Ball Daima begins (the Earth Dragon Balls are notably still stone). Vice-Supreme Demon King Gomah and his assistant Degesu investigate Dabura's disappearance using the Magic Monitor in the Demon King castle. They discover that Dabura, Babidi and Majin Boo are all dead, allowing Gomah to claim Dabura's throne with seemingly no threat to his rule. Despite this, Gomah heads to Earth, wishes Goku and his friends into children, and kidnaps Earth's God Dende to prevent them from intervening.
• A day after King Gomah's crowning, the Dragon Team venture to the Demon Realm with the help of the majin Glorio and Hybis, and collect the Three and Two-Star Dragon Balls. Meanwhile Dr. Arinsu and Marba use the Boo sample alongside Saibaimen seeds to create Majin Coo and Doo, who collect the One-Star Dragon Ball.
• Five days after King Gomah's crowning, Degesu tries to flee with Dende, but is stopped by the Dragon Team. At the same time, King Gomah is able to covertly recover the Evil Third Eye from Hybis and gain colossal power. Degesu wishes the Dragon Team to wish the Dragon Team back to normal, allowing Goku and Majin Coo to defeat Gomah. Arinsu then seals him and Degesu into a vial with a Mafuba-like ability for a 99 year sentence.
• As Majin Coo was ultimately the one to defeat Gomah, he inherits the title of Supreme Demon King, assigning his creator Dr. Arinsu as Vice-Supreme Demon King. He also appoints his brother Majin Doo, Marba, Neva, Glorio, and King Kadan of the Third Demon World as Ministers. As well, Dende tells Neva that he'll ask the Namekians in Universe 7 if they wish to return to the Demon Realm.

I also leave you with a funny goof that I made for BlueSky:

Spoiler:

[KBABZ]

Just updated the Daima Super Saiyan 4 gallery! It's over 400 images!!

[Koitsukai]

Congrats to both of you on another succesful Trivia thread! Great job!

Didn't Trunks and Goten seem older than their BoG versions? Goten seemed like Detective Conan while in Daima he seemed like a pre-teen.

I loved the Goku-Vegeta SNES playdate reference.

I did not get that detail about the collars. VOTE KUU 2025

Piccolo was never this close to becoming an actual Daima O. His father would be so disappointed.

[Mr Baggins]

What I'll be posting NOW though is a timeline of Demon Realm history, based on everything we've learned from across the manga and Daima (I'm not counting anything else, sorry!).

I appreciate this.

The way that Daima's lore is presented is especially interesting to me because it's communicated in a scattered and piecemeal way, leaving it up to the viewer to sort out a fully sequenced picture of the Demon Realm's history (if they want). Even then, there's a bit of ambiguity in how it all exactly ties together.

Spoiler:

Truly the Dark Souls of Dragon Ball

[Yuji]

The hilarious side-effect of this new lore chronology is that humans "first started to walk on Earth" barely over a thousand years ago

[KBABZ]

Congrats to both of you on another succesful Trivia thread! Great job!

Thank you!! : D

Didn't Trunks and Goten seem older than their BoG versions? Goten seemed like Detective Conan while in Daima he seemed like a pre-teen.

Possibly, but at the same time we've seen then in the same basic outfit for a decade and aren't used to them wearing anything else! If this is intentional though then I honestly appreciate it. Dragon Ball was famous for again its characters 35 years ago!

I did not get that detail about the collars. VOTE KUU 2025

Yeah! I also noted back in Episode 15 that King Kadan's crew were already missing their Collars! I attribute that to Kaioshin teaching them the spell over the phone, which I honestly would have preferred to see over the Gendarmerie Force because that's far more character-driven.

Spoiler:

Truly the Dark Souls of Dragon Ball

Spoiler:

Demon Realm's Soul

The hilarious side-effect of this new lore chronology is that humans "first started to walk on Earth" barely over a thousand years ago

How do you figure that??