Season Set Flaws - GET OVER IT!!!

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Post by ect5150 » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:02 am

Kendamu wrote:People who want to see FUNi do better will keep arguing the point because, at least to them, there's hope in getting at least one more person to not continue buying FUNi's DBZ garbage sets. That leads to hope that if sales numbers tank, then FUNi needs to treat Dragonball Z with the respect it deserves and with the quality that fans (especially longtime fans) deserve.
I think this is the only real issue that matters. Everything else is opinionated and people are allowed to have them. I personally think the ultimate boxsets would be to have dragon box footage, but then have twice the number of discs in each set, once version being cropped and the other widescreen. Why not give us both formats in the same box? And for the same price (or I could see a slight price increase for double the discs, but those are pennies anyways, so a $5 price increase would be fair). Fact is, I don't mind the widescreen when I'm watching it on my widescreen TV (because then its been encoded for that TV). The true issue is I prefer to have the options.
Kendamu wrote:If you don't agree with that idea and have simply give up on the idea of FUNimation doing something right, then I guess that's your outlook.
I have given up on FUNI. While people often claim the contrary, past performance actually is a good indicator of future actions. I fully expect them to take these boxsets and re-release them with NO changes on BluRay soon.
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Post by balrog » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:04 pm

Kendamu wrote:People who want to see FUNi do better will keep arguing the point because, at least to them, there's hope in getting at least one more person to not continue buying FUNi's DBZ garbage sets. That leads to hope that if sales numbers tank, then FUNi needs to treat Dragonball Z with the respect it deserves and with the quality that fans (especially longtime fans) deserve.
Uh, no. If the sales tank, Funi will just stop doing anything with DBZ. They won't release anything any cheaper, and us non-Japanese speaking folk will have to settle for the uber expensive 4 episode dvds. They won't learn anything. They're a business, they want to make money.. if they don't make money with something, they'll stop doing it. Don't really see you're logic with that post..

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Post by ect5150 » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:17 pm

balrog wrote:
Kendamu wrote:People who want to see FUNi do better will keep arguing the point because, at least to them, there's hope in getting at least one more person to not continue buying FUNi's DBZ garbage sets. That leads to hope that if sales numbers tank, then FUNi needs to treat Dragonball Z with the respect it deserves and with the quality that fans (especially longtime fans) deserve.
Uh, no. If the sales tank, Funi will just stop doing anything with DBZ. They won't release anything any cheaper, and us non-Japanese speaking folk will have to settle for the uber expensive 4 episode dvds. They won't learn anything. They're a business, they want to make money.. if they don't make money with something, they'll stop doing it. Don't really see you're logic with that post..
And I don't see the logic in yours. Your post assumes Funi won't know why sales have stopped. If sales dropped significantly, they might actually start listening to the loyal/long-standing customers (I think we can agree we are all outnumbered by the "nine-year-old-a-minute" customers?). Then they could offer an alternative that we would buy.

This really has nothing to do with price either. I've never heard anyone here claim the new box sets were too expensive. They don't really need to offer anything cheaper.

And to nitpick, the DragonBox singles has 6 episodes per disc. Also, they aren't really that expensive compared to what most of us paid for FUNIs disc. I seem to remember FUNIs discs selling for about $25 when they were first released (correct me if I'm wrong please)? And you got 3 episodes. The Dragon Box singles sell for 3990 yen, which currently translates into $33.79 (click here to see the current conversion).

So, do some math: FUNI discs cost $8.33 per episode, DragonBox singles cost $5.63 per episode. At least that's what it was when the discs first came out (hell, the UUE were just canceled a year ago at these prices, correct?) Hell, I order the singles on pre-order at 25% off, so its roughly $4.22 per episode. Not quite the $1.66 per episode the FUNI box sets are currently offering, but still better than what FUNI used to offer. So, looking at the above, if you bought the series mostly with the FUNI singles, then the only reason you wouldn't buy the DBox singles is the lack of subtitles (which I personally can add them myself, but I can see it being a huge factor in not purchasing them) or you already own a bunch and don't see the need to duplicate episodes, or all versions were too expensive for you (with the saving grace that maybe the new box sets are affordable for you). Otherwise, I don't view the sets to be particularly expensive, although it is harder to find good deals on them like you could when FUNIs singles first came out.
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Post by desirecampbell » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:06 pm

balrog wrote:Uh, no. If the sales tank, Funi will just stop doing anything with DBZ. They won't release anything any cheaper, and us non-Japanese speaking folk will have to settle for the uber expensive 4 episode dvds. They won't learn anything. They're a business, they want to make money.. if they don't make money with something, they'll stop doing it. Don't really see you're logic with that post..
If doing A doesn't make them money, they'll change how they market it to sell more. Or they'll cut their losses and try to sell something else. Or they'll go bankrupt. That's basically how capitalism works. (The UUEs were pretty expensive, so they were probably not making that much from them - these releases were probably directly caused by that. I mean, if they were making money hand-over-fist from the UUEs they wouldn't have bothered to change :P)

Logically, a company would use consumer feedback about what they did, and didn't like about the previous/current release to show what the next release should be. Unfortunately, Funi has never seemed to follow 'logic' for DBZ.

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Post by Kendamu » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:48 am

balrog wrote:Uh, no. If the sales tank, Funi will just stop doing anything with DBZ. They won't release anything any cheaper, and us non-Japanese speaking folk will have to settle for the uber expensive 4 episode dvds. They won't learn anything. They're a business, they want to make money.. if they don't make money with something, they'll stop doing it. Don't really see you're logic with that post..
A couple people have already replied to you as to why this logic doesn't work. So I'll just say I don't agree with you and not repeat the reasons.

However, I wish you were right! If you were right and FUNi would just give up on DBZ because it's not making any money, hopefully hey would sell their rights to DBZ to some other dubbing company. I find the Naruto dub alright, I can only think of one major thing I don't like about the Bleach dub, I love the Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo dubs, I'm not a big fan of Inuyasha but the dub still sounds good. I like Big O's dub... see where I'm going?

My biggest hope, if you were right, would be that someone better would buy it off of them and re-dub it.

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