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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by JP6GAMER » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:06 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Amazing how crazy fans are. I also want to never see or hear anything about awful fan fiction about Goku and Vegeta together as couples.
WTF there are fan fictions about Goku and Vegeta being a couple?!?
Now I can never see them "Fusion" without a dirty mind.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:14 pm

These type of fans exist. You can find them on Fan Fiction.net and Deviantart. I always try to avoid those type of stuff when I see them.
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Post by JP6GAMER » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:18 pm

Those fans...just go to far!
Thanks that you warned me, I myself never read something like that.
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Post by Rocketman » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:11 pm

Ketchup_Revenge wrote:The only good ship that I've seen with "My Little Pony" was Robot Chicken, when they did the goof line of "My Little Pony: Apocalypse Pony".
DBZAOTA482 wrote:My goodness you are such a homophone. :wtf:
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:24 pm

JP6GAMER wrote:Those fans...just go to far!
Thanks that you warned me, I myself never read something like that.
I don't know, I'm a firm believer that any concept can work no matter how ridiculous or implausible.

Likewise, I found a surprisingly not atrociously-written Piccolo/Chi-Chi fanfic.
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Ketchup_Revenge wrote:The only good ship that I've seen with "My Little Pony" was Robot Chicken, when they did the goof line of "My Little Pony: Apocalypse Pony".
DBZAOTA482 wrote:My goodness you are such a homophone. :wtf:
Who the hell knows what words mean anyway?
I originally meant to spell out homophobe but it came out homophone (I was using a mobile device when I typed that comment). :oops:
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:55 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
-Funi dub posers

I'm not talking about preferring Funi over japanese or any of that, I mean the people who think "that is the true dialogue" and hate on any other dialogue and call it stupid. People hate the Kai " I am speech" because it isn't stupid Jesus related speech that Superman would be embarrassed to say. They act like know it all's and treat everyone else like kids who weren't born in the 90's toonami when they know nothing.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:08 pm

It sounds like those people are just typical American DBZ fan boys. I hate it when most Americans won't watch something foreign. It reminds me how some Power Ranger fans won't watch any of the Super Sentai shows because it's in Japanese. I also think most of the Kai hate comes from people who are too nostalgia for their older dubs. Just because you grow up with something does not make it good. I grew up with the Sandy Frank dubs of the Showa Gamera films and I can admit that they suck.
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Re: Dragon Ball things you never want to hear again

Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:31 pm

Oh god yes, non-canon pairings. I don't want to see any of them again. The majority of them are creepy as fuck (age differences, involving villains, rape fics, etc) and I don't know why fans obsess over them so much.
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Post by Gonstead » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:48 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote: I don't know, I'm a firm believer that any concept can work no matter how ridiculous or implausible.

Likewise, I found a surprisingly not atrociously-written Piccolo/Chi-Chi fanfic.
I'm actually a small fan of the Piccolo/Chichi pairing, only when it's written well enough like the fic you posted to (Which I have read before).

Here's a fic of the same pairing that I'm following - http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8713008/1/Matchmaker

I don't support Goku/Vegeta though. Eeurgh! Such a cliche pairing, not to mention one of the more uninteresting ones.
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Post by Sinestro » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:11 pm

JP6GAMER wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Amazing how crazy fans are. I also want to never see or hear anything about awful fan fiction about Goku and Vegeta together as couples.
WTF there are fan fictions about Goku and Vegeta being a couple?!?
Now I can never see them "Fusion" without a dirty mind.
There's fan fiction and fan art of anything and everything you can think of. Why's this particular thing such a surprise? That pairing is pretty obvious, along with Goten/Trunks.

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Post by OutlawTorn » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:39 pm

Saiga wrote:The movies don't get nearly the amount of hate that filler or GT get, yet they were Toei originals as well. :wink:
I'd say that's almost an apples vs. oranges type of comparison. There are really only two similarities they share: they are set in the Dragon Ball universe and they are produced by Toei. Perhaps the biggest difference is you have (generally) self-contained movies which ranges from 45 to 90 minutes which are released maybe twice a year whereas GT is a 64 episode weekly anime.

One thing I could really do without hearing again is the whole "just a <insert whatever here> fan boy" thing if the preference for watching is not Japanese. It's insulting and is a prime example of the "elitist" mindset some people have over the so-called "proper" way to watch anime. I don't care if people prefer to watch anime in Japanese, it's how they enjoy the show and it doesn't affect me one bit. Despite all its flaws (yes, I will readily admit the English dub is deeply flawed) the English dub with the Japanese score is my preferred way to watch the show.

For the record, lest I be labeled a "typical fan boy" for that preference, I do have some sub-only anime and wouldn't touch the English dub even if it were available. Whether you like it or hate it, the FUNimation dub of DBZ isn't the absolute worst dub out there.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I also think most of the Kai hate comes from people who are too nostalgia for their older dubs.
Speaking entirely for myself, my disinterest (I don't hate Kai, just am not interested in it) in Kai stems from the fact that it is edited. I don't care if it is closer to the manga, people complained about DBZ being edited as it was during the Saban-era, yet Toei seems to get the proverbial "free pass" for doing the same thing. Again, just like people preferring to watch in Japanese, I don't have any problem with people preferring to watch the Kai version. The same people probably also complain about the changes made to the Star Wars movies, when there is really no difference with Kai. It's not the original version and there are parts which are either re-animated or censored. However, unlike Star Wars, since both versions are available, we all have a choice and should not be subject to derisive comments for preferring one over the other.
Just because you grow up with something does not make it good. I grew up with the Sandy Frank dubs of the Showa Gamera films and I can admit that they suck.
Oh yes, I agree that just because you grew up with something or something is the original does not make it "the best" but just because it isn't the best doesn't mean you cannot overlook those flaws and just enjoy it. Isn't that the whole point of entertainment, to be entertained? If there are aspects to a certain version, be it a dub or the original, which hinders your ability to just enjoy what you're watching, why should you worry about acceptance from others who prefer this version when the alternative is what you really enjoy? With DBZ, I can learn what the intended story is while still enjoying a deeply flawed yet watchable dub. That wouldn't stop me from wishing it could have been done right in the first place, though.

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Post by AgitoZ » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:02 pm

OutlawTorn wrote:Whether you like it or hate it, the FUNimation dub of DBZ isn't the absolute worst dub out there.
"This pile of poo isn't the smelliest out there."

C'mon, don't take a step back in your argument. You either like it for its flaws or it's not that bad.
OutlawTorn wrote:Speaking entirely for myself, my disinterest (I don't hate Kai, just am not interested in it) in Kai stems from the fact that it is edited. I don't care if it is closer to the manga, people complained about DBZ being edited as it was during the Saban-era, yet Toei seems to get the proverbial "free pass" for doing the same thing. Again, just like people preferring to watch in Japanese, I don't have any problem with people preferring to watch the Kai version. The same people probably also complain about the changes made to the Star Wars movies, when there is really no difference with Kai. It's not the original version and there are parts which are either re-animated or censored. However, unlike Star Wars, since both versions are available, we all have a choice and should not be subject to derisive comments for preferring one over the other.
I'd say that's almost an apples vs. oranges type of comparison. First of all, like you said yourself, the original is still out there. Secondly, unlike those other edits, it at least has common decency to call itself something different. Lastly, editing is not a bad thing, censorship is. Editing greatly helped one of the movies you mentioned, Star Wars (No, not the special edition). And it has helped good movies become even greater (see Director's cut of Blade Runner, Richard Donner cut of Superman II, etc).
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Post by jjgp1112 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:43 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
JP6GAMER wrote:Those fans...just go to far!
Thanks that you warned me, I myself never read something like that.
I don't know, I'm a firm believer that any concept can work no matter how ridiculous or implausible.

Likewise, I found a surprisingly not atrociously-written Piccolo/Chi-Chi fanfic.
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Who the hell knows what words mean anyway?
I originally meant to spell out homophobe but it came out homophone (I was using a mobile device when I typed that comment). :oops:
How exactly is being opposed to an incredibly implausible shipping homophobic?
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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:58 pm

Saiga wrote:Oh god yes, non-canon pairings. I don't want to see any of them again. The majority of them are creepy as fuck (age differences, involving villains, rape fics, etc) and I don't know why fans obsess over them so much.
It puzzles me how they exist. People go nuts if you don't support it. I am a fan of Sonic and hate that piece of shit Cosmo(yes more then Chris) and people will go crazy to protect a forced pairing of 8 year olds. Only person worse is Elise and she for some reason doesn't piss me off as much as Cosmo (probably because I hate purity sues/perfection more then anything else in characters).
J96GAMER wrote:WTF there are fan fictions about Goku and Vegeta being a couple?!?
Now I can never see them "Fusion" without a dirty mind.
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Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:07 pm

OutlawTorn wrote:
I'd say that's almost an apples vs. oranges type of comparison. There are really only two similarities they share: they are set in the Dragon Ball universe and they are produced by Toei. Perhaps the biggest difference is you have (generally) self-contained movies which ranges from 45 to 90 minutes which are released maybe twice a year whereas GT is a 64 episode weekly anime.
My point was that GT isn't hated solely for being produced by Toei as some would claim.
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Post by Sinestro » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:16 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: How exactly is being opposed to an incredibly implausible shipping homophobic?
The negative reaction to the pairing was likely perceived as this: "Goku? Vegeta... but they are both dudes!"

That doesn't have to be the case, but I'm just taking a stab at why "homophobic" was thrown out there.

Edit: Because "as" is not "at".
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:21 pm

I'm not 'defending' the Goku/Vegeta pairing per say (I do find it a silly pairing myself - I'm about to explain why a bit - but not because it's two guys), but it's not exactly 'exclusive' to Dragon Ball. Naruto/Sasuke in Naruto, Yusuke/Kuwabara in YYH, Kazuma/Ryuhou in s-CRY-ed - it seems a large sect of the yaoi fandom sees two male characters who hate and/or bicker with each other all the time, and assume that's 'sexual tension' that clearly needs relieved...or...something. For a western example, Harry and Draco in Harry Potter.

That said though, Vegeta does fit a few of the tsundere traits towards Goku...just saying. :lol:
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Post by Saiga » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:22 pm

It annoys me that the knee-jerk reaction to someone who doesn't approve of a same-sex pairing is to assume they're a homophobe.
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Post by Gonstead » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:08 am

To me, it's not because Goku and Vegeta are both guys, but the fact that such a relationship is more than likely implausible for it to even be able to work.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:10 am

jjgp1112 wrote:How exactly is being opposed to an incredibly implausible shipping homophobic?
Yeah, judge someone based on personal preference and in no way judge intention or character. :P
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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