The biggest Ocean dub crime?

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:13 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:If my memory serves me, half the Zarbon vs Vegeta fight was sped up to hell (not to mention digitally censored, cut, and all manner of dicked around with in general). That fight, as I remember it, was just an utter mess in the Saban version.

Which still leaves me wondering how my father knew how Zarban died through only watching the cut TV version... (unless it was that obvious what was sensored?).

... Oh jees... how to give English Adult Goku a highpitchedvoice? ... Don Nots. Yeah, if he'd had some kind of unique hickish accent (and I don't think any of those used in the dub for random hick characters)...
Actually, I think if dub Goku had just talked less seriously (and thus less fakeish when being goofy later), a believable Nozawa-esque voice migh have wrked...
but... I digress just because the idea of a Nozawa-esque hick English voice jumped into my head. o.o.

... the whole "people do in fact die when caught in violence" coverup leaves me confused. I mean... there was death in the first episode of the X-Men series of the 90s... (never mind that it was undone for the second season... that was surprising when it happened. Yes, it was! I said so!).
... Bah, I want to see how my dad would have handled DBZ. XD

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:16 pm

The Next Dimension.

Although it's awesome nowadays for nostalgic reasons.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:47 pm

caejones wrote: ... the whole "people do in fact die when caught in violence" coverup leaves me confused. I mean... there was death in the first episode of the X-Men series of the 90s... (never mind that it was undone for the second season... that was surprising when it happened. Yes, it was! I said so!).
... Bah, I want to see how my dad would have handled DBZ. XD

He was made just to die. Only reason it was undone was due to fans really liking him and writing letters.

As for what happened to Zarbon, they showed the punch, but did it so you didn't see his fist going into his gut. Zarbon talks some more you see a flash, cut to Krillin, and see Zarbon flying, still yelling "Vegeta!" as he splashes into the water.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:03 pm

Biggest Ocean cast crime? Not being present after Season 2 in the US dub.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:08 pm

Kendamu wrote:Biggest Ocean cast crime? Not being present after Season 2 in the US dub.

Owch, harsh. Still, for someone nostalgic to that particular dubbing group, I can understand. I would have liked that if it didn't use Shuki Levy's music, that annoys me to no end. Although, I'd rather have Sabat as Vegeta*. Let the flames begin!

*due to nostalgia and the amount of emotion he put into it once he mastered the role. He was so shitty when he was only imitating Drummond.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:23 pm

bkev wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Biggest Ocean cast crime? Not being present after Season 2 in the US dub.
Owch, harsh. Still, for someone nostalgic to that particular dubbing group, I can understand. I would have liked that if it didn't use Shuki Levy's music, that annoys me to no end. Although, I'd rather have Sabat as Vegeta*. Let the flames begin!

*due to nostalgia and the amount of emotion he put into it once he mastered the role. He was so shitty when he was only imitating Drummond.

I'm not necessarily bashing the current dub cast when I say that. I just like the Ocean cast a lot more. It doesn't matter, though, because I'm normally either watching it in Japanese or reading the manga.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:25 pm

bkev wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Biggest Ocean cast crime? Not being present after Season 2 in the US dub.
Owch, harsh. Still, for someone nostalgic to that particular dubbing group, I can understand. I would have liked that if it didn't use Shuki Levy's music, that annoys me to no end. Although, I'd rather have Sabat as Vegeta*. Let the flames begin!

*due to nostalgia and the amount of emotion he put into it once he mastered the role. He was so shitty when he was only imitating Drummond.

That's a lot of times when characters start out, in both anime dubs and American cartoons too. When they find their character, it's usually a few eps in.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:30 pm

True, Super Sonic, very true.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:45 pm

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:51 pm

Meh, I liked his final speech. I've heard Drummond later in the series, and honestly, I'm not impressed with the UK Ocean later dub. Oh well, there's one thing I *can* say: Ryo. Horikawa. Wins.
Just because I like a voice doesn't mean I don't like another one better. His Vegeta is cool, calculating, and evil even when he seems at peace. Where as both english Vegeta's were "ANGRY GRRRZZ", I think Mr. Horikawa's is more of a "Ha ha ha ha ha..." cocky kind of way. It works.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:02 pm

Also felt that Sabat got to be more of an evil bastard than Drummond due to censorship differences.

Also on topic, the Ocean dub made Puar a chick.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:43 pm

On the topic of Ryo Horikawa... when I was looking through the Daizex rumor guide recently, there were a couple of the audio samples (not sure which ones) that kind of stuck out to me as "O_O? I remember Ryo Horikawa sounding ... better? than this...". (Hmm. Actually, it was probably the one where he's yelling at Gero. Which probably just means I'm too used to Over-the-top Sabat... but hey, Sabat's voices make it easy to make fan projects since the acting is so easily immitated, right? ... Hehehehehe...).

Nah, over all I agree with what's been said.

(O_O ... I fell for the Next Dimention stuff until the Freeza Fight and we had corpses and non-Jedi deaths. I still thought Jeice was Next Dimention'd though because of the similarity in the TV version between his death and Yamcha's...).

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:38 am

Creating fans like this:
http://readerreviews.ign.com/rrview/dvd ... 363/82259/

2.every 10 min or so a intermission type filler screen comes up with gohan and goku.and the music is especially lame.I have to hit fast foward through it because I can no longer tolerate it.
3.I wish they had the Rock the dragon intro or something instead of the origianl japanese intro cuz I dont like it.
4.Audio wise--The japanese version is 5.1 surround
and the U.S is only stereo (sucks!!! I hope they fix that for the cell box set)the japanese music is soooo early 1980's but this android saga was like early 90's...Japanese music sounds sooo out of date.

(NOTE: I am not bashing fans of the dub, but I am stating that the person is outright bashing the Japanese verison, and it is actually quite funny!

)

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:23 am

bkev wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Biggest Ocean cast crime? Not being present after Season 2 in the US dub.
Owch, harsh. Still, for someone nostalgic to that particular dubbing group, I can understand. I would have liked that if it didn't use Shuki Levy's music, that annoys me to no end. Although, I'd rather have Sabat as Vegeta*. Let the flames begin!

*due to nostalgia and the amount of emotion he put into it once he mastered the role. He was so shitty when he was only imitating Drummond.

Actually, I could kinda tolerate that. I think his shittiest was the mid-era between voices (i.e Cell Saga) when he was still trying to act like Drummond while using his trademark gruff voice that we know these days. It didn't even remotely work.

DominatorLost · Post by **DominatorLost** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:04 am

I need some YouTube to recognise said Vegeta actor's voice. Anyone got a link to something?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:53 am

DominatorLost wrote:I need some YouTube to recognise said Vegeta actor's voice. Anyone got a link to something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3YyL660Eu8
A Drummond/Sabat comparison. (I know...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0BcBs2QaTU
And Vegeta's death scene on Namek, with Ryo Horikawa.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:25 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Creating fans like this:
http://readerreviews.ign.com/rrview/dvd ... 363/82259/
2.every 10 min or so a intermission type filler screen comes up with gohan and goku.and the music is especially lame.I have to hit fast foward through it because I can no longer tolerate it.
3.I wish they had the Rock the dragon intro or something instead of the origianl japanese intro cuz I dont like it.
4.Audio wise--The japanese version is 5.1 surround
and the U.S is only stereo (sucks!!! I hope they fix that for the cell box set)the japanese music is soooo early 1980's but this android saga was like early 90's...Japanese music sounds sooo out of date.

These type of people make me laugh too, but what's funny and sad at the same time is that they're being serious which is mind boggling at the least. And that reviewer's #4 is wrong and proves his ignorance.

I thought the biggest crime was how the actors could have taken some of their roles more seriously. In the end I thought a lot of them could have been more serious. Even my favorite Drummond and McNeil I know could have done better.

@bkev

I know exactly what you're talking about with the UBER-FAST-PANS thing. I think they were just made as a time edit rather than because they could. Either way it was stupid.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:39 pm

I started watching DBZ at the Ginyu arc. I remember being confused as hell when Toonami repeated the Saban dub. I was actually introduced to the DBZ web community because of that.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:50 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
bkev wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Biggest Ocean cast crime? Not being present after Season 2 in the US dub.
Owch, harsh.
But true.

bkev wrote:Still, for someone nostalgic to that particular dubbing group, I can understand. I would have liked that if it didn't use Shuki Levy's music, that annoys me to no end. Although, I'd rather have Sabat as Vegeta*. Let the flames begin!

*due to nostalgia and the amount of emotion he put into it once he mastered the role. He was so shitty when he was only imitating Drummond.
As someone with ZERO nostalgic attachment to the voice, I can safely say that IMO he was just as shitty in the role after his "Drummond" phase as he was during, and equally shitty in all his other DBZ roles. Sabat as Vegeta never had a "character" to master; he's always played the role as more or less the same loud and obnoxious doofus straight on throughout.

Believe it or not, I've tried to be objective. I've had moments where I gave the dub a shot divorcing myself from any attachment I have to the Japanese version, and "shutting off" my inner fan. And even THEN, as a performance unto itself with nothing to compare it to, it's STILL intolerable to listen to.

It's just an unpleasant, un-charismatic voice in and of itself, and I quite frankly cannot find one lick of the so called "emotion" that dub fans claim they can hear in his voice. The fact that this performance even HAS a fanbase of any kind is something that just baffles me (and baffles a few of my friends even more).

Watch the redub of Vegeta's death from Season 3.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:49 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Kunzait_83 wrote:
bkev wrote: Owch, harsh.
But true.

bkev wrote:Still, for someone nostalgic to that particular dubbing group, I can understand. I would have liked that if it didn't use Shuki Levy's music, that annoys me to no end. Although, I'd rather have Sabat as Vegeta*. Let the flames begin!

*due to nostalgia and the amount of emotion he put into it once he mastered the role. He was so shitty when he was only imitating Drummond.
As someone with ZERO nostalgic attachment to the voice, I can safely say that IMO he was just as shitty in the role after his "Drummond" phase as he was during, and equally shitty in all his other DBZ roles. Sabat as Vegeta never had a "character" to master; he's always played the role as more or less the same loud and obnoxious doofus straight on throughout.

Believe it or not, I've tried to be objective. I've had moments where I gave the dub a shot divorcing myself from any attachment I have to the Japanese version, and "shutting off" my inner fan. And even THEN, as a performance unto itself with nothing to compare it to, it's STILL intolerable to listen to.

It's just an unpleasant, un-charismatic voice in and of itself, and I quite frankly cannot find one lick of the so called "emotion" that dub fans claim they can hear in his voice. The fact that this performance even HAS a fanbase of any kind is something that just baffles me (and baffles a few of my friends even more).
Watch the redub of Vegeta's death from Season 3.

Why? The first time out was painful enough. It would have to be an emmy-level masterpiece to risk putting that loaded gun back in my mouth.