Scenes That Make Your Blood Boil

gogetaSS · Post by **gogetaSS** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:51 pm

Jerseymilk wrote: Oh, does this Forum have a word changer? Cause everytime I say H ercule, it comes up Mr.Satan.

Yep, try spelling Frieza F-R-I-E-Z-A.

Scenes that made me angry are mainly ones where the hero is too "scared" about beating the bad guy and whinges for practically the whole episode.
Eg, "Gohan, do it now!" "But I can't!" "You've got to kill him now!" "But I'm not strong enough!"
This also got me with Yu-Gi-Oh!, where a ten minute battle lasts about ten episodes.
It's really just filler, they try to stretch the episodes as much as humanely possible.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:15 pm

Uh, I never wrote that.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:21 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Uh, I never wrote that.

Yeah, it was Great Saiyaman. He quoted you in his post, gogetaSS must've just deleted the wrong [quote="..."]

Oh, and it's not hard to get around the filter, if you really need to.

Hurcule
Frieza

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:03 pm

Hurcule
Frieza

I need to learn how you do that.

For me, it'd be when when Goku allowed Frieza to power up to 100%. I mean, this guy had freakin killed Krillin, Vegeta, and nearly 80% of the Namekians. And then Goku goes off saying how it would be a good fight, and I would go along screaming......those were hard days.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:03 pm

Eclipse wrote:
Mr. Satan
Freeza
I need to learn how you do that.

For me, it'd be when when Goku allowed Freeza to power up to 100%. I mean, this guy had freakin killed Krillin, Vegeta, and nearly 80% of the Namekians. And then Goku goes off saying how it would be a good fight, and I would go along screaming......those were hard days.

The key word there is "days". I can't beleive Goku let the fight go on so long (okay, okay, I know it was filer - but still).

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:57 am

Eclipse wrote:
Mr. Satan
Freeza
I need to learn how you do that.

For me, it'd be when when Goku allowed Freeza to power up to 100%. I mean, this guy had freakin killed Krillin, Vegeta, and nearly 80% of the Namekians. And then Goku goes off saying how it would be a good fight, and I would go along screaming......those were hard days.

He lets Freeza go full power because he knew he'd defeat him no matter what, he wanted Freeza to know that even at full power he's no match. So if by any chance he survived he would have he's pride shattered for ever. He did survive, and it's that pride of his that got him killed. Well done Trunks.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:30 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote: Everyone killed by Cell was wished back, #16 and #17 included.

Kaiou, anyone? Even if "dying when Cell selfdestructs" doesn't count as being killed by him, someone could've thought of reviving him with the last wish before thinking of jewelery for Yamucha's girlfriend.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:20 pm

I believe it was mentioned that he chose not to be wished back.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:16 pm

Kaiou, anyone? Even if "dying when Cell selfdestructs" doesn't count as being killed by him, someone could've thought of reviving him with the last wish before thinking of jewelery for Yamucha's girlfriend.

Wow, I forgot about Kaio. That is weird...

I need to learn how you do that.

Ditto. Tell all, Desire!

I believe it was mentioned that he chose not to be wished back.

Really? That would explain a lot. Like during the Freeza saga when Goku didn't want to come back home. I guess Shenlong has to ask permission of the person that's being brought somewhere/back to life.

Goku seemed like a heartless bastard to me during the Freeza Saga, worrying about training than his wife and his five year-old son!

That's always sort of made me mad...

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:39 pm

As opposed to what? Like so many parents these days that are around but totally ignore their kids and don't keep an eye on them? When Goku was around, he was a fantastic father. Besides the fact that Goku didn't even know what marriage actually was when he agreed to marry Chi Chi. If he had known, most likely he wouldn't have agreed, knowing him. Goku's always been the type that you couldn't hold down. Chi Chi knew what he was like when she married him, she could have called off the promise.

I'm not saying that it isn't aggravating the way he is at points and I admit that when he decided to stay dead at the end of the Cell saga, I was angry with him. I just thought that he should have put his son first before what he thought was best for the world so to speak. Or at least given that factor a little more consideration. However, I think that people sometimes are a little too harsh in their judgements of some of his actions.

I never saw Goku's decision to stay on Yardrat as a heartless or selfish one. Well, maybe a little selfish since I think the idea of learning new techniques from the natives there intrigued him, but did it ever occur to anyone that he also wanted to learn new techniques and train a little more so he could better protect the Earth, his family, and friends if another enemy came? As he likely learned with all of his enemies up to that point, you can never be too prepared or strong.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:54 pm

As opposed to what? Like so many parents these days that are around but totally ignore their kids and don't keep an eye on them? When Goku was around, he was a fantastic father. Besides the fact that Goku didn't even know what marriage actually was when he agreed to marry Chi Chi. If he had known, most likely he wouldn't have agreed, knowing him. Goku's always been the type that you couldn't hold down. Chi Chi knew what he was like when she married him, she could have called off the promise.

I'm not saying that it isn't aggravating the way he is at points and I admit that when he decided to stay dead at the end of the Cell saga, I was angry with him. I just thought that he should have put his son first before what he thought was best for the world so to speak. Or at least given that factor a little more consideration. However, I think that people sometimes are a little too harsh in their judgements of some of his actions.

I never saw Goku's decision to stay on Yardrat as a heartless or selfish one. Well, maybe a little selfish since I think the idea of learning new techniques from the natives there intrigued him, but did it ever occur to anyone that he also wanted to learn new techniques and train a little more so he could better protect the Earth, his family, and friends if another enemy came? As he likely learned with all of his enemies up to that point, you can never be too prepared or strong.

My dad left us, so I might be a little bias.

You have some great points, Jerseymilk, I never thought about it that way.

As he likely learned with all of his enemies up to that point, you can never be too prepared or strong.

Wow, that's weird...quoting a quote that I already quoted...

Too bad he forgot that before he fought Radditz.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:07 pm

Well I'm sorry to hear that about your dad. As I said, I am in agreement that he could be pretty clueless and rash. It's just well, he's Goku and let's just say there are certain areas where he "weren't too aware". I suppose Chi Chi had likely convinced herself that she could change him once they were married. Train him to settle down and become more civilized.

It's also entirely possible that a lot of it is Goku's Saiyajin blood driving him. From what we know, they didn't seem to be the most paternal of races either. Life was all about fighting and being challenged. In fact, when you think about it, Goku has probably been the most paternal and attentive Saiyajin parent in history!XD Vegeta was of course there with his family too, but it took him a while.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:54 pm

Well I'm sorry to hear that about your dad. As I said, I am in agreement that he could be pretty clueless and rash. It's just well, he's Goku and let's just say there are certain areas where he "weren't too aware". I suppose Chi Chi had likely convinced herself that she could change him once they were married. Train him to settle down and become more civilized. It's also entirely possible that a lot of it is Goku's Saiyajin blood driving him. From what we know, they didn't seem to be the most paternal of races either. Life was all about fighting and being challenged. In fact, when you think about it, Goku has probably been the most paternal and attentive Saiyajin parent in history!XD Vegeta was of course there with his family too, but it took him a while.

Ah, don't be sorry. When I said 'left' I meant he divorced my mom (who at the time had no job, so we were living off what money he made) which I consider 'left' because I didn't see him for awhile. I see my dad on a regular basis now, but I don't think I'll ever be able to forgive him for two-timing my mom with my now stepmom.

OK, back on topic! What you said about Goku is probably true, seeing as how we've never seen Goku's mother and the only reason Bardock even approached him was because of the visions they were both experiencing.
Saiyajins probably are like people who just go out to fuck here on Earth, except they get pregnant, have the child, and don't see them on a regular basis.

So basically, I think that Saiyajin 'love' is basically just one-time sex. We never see the Saiyajin parents lovingly hold their child, or take them on missions with them (King Vegeta is an exception). Since Saiyajins are always away on missions, it doesn't make much for a family lifestyle.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:12 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:We never see the Saiyajin parents lovingly hold their child, or take them on missions with them (King Vegeta is an exception). Since Saiyajins are always away on missions, it doesn't make much for a family lifestyle.

Actually Vegeta was a member of the super elite and stronger than his father at a young age. It's entirely possible that he was there as part of a valued member of the team, and maybe even the strongest.

Orochi_Rockman · Post by **Orochi_Rockman** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:18 pm

It would have to be when Trunks just effortlessly killed Freeza. I mean what utter BS.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:40 pm

Orochi_Rockman wrote:It would have to be when Trunks just effortlessly killed Freeza. I mean what utter BS.

Why do you say that? Goku would have been able to the same by that point.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:01 pm

Why do you say that? Goku would have been able to the same by that point.

I think he means that Freeza, a villian who really gave the Z Senshi a run for their money, was dealt with so easily. I mean, it took Goku a while to finally put Freeza under, but 'Bam!' A sixteen year-old half-Saiyajian shows up and blows him into smithereans.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:21 pm

He was seventeen actually.

... Lesse, I need something else.. Oh, yes. According to Trunks, Goku was supposed to kill Freeza just as easily.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:30 pm

He was seventeen actually.

Sorry, I haven't been to Temple O'Trunks in awhile!

... Lesse, I need something else.. Oh, yes. According to Trunks, Goku was supposed to kill Freeza just as easily.

Though I expected more from a powered-up Freeza...Oh well, I'm just happy he's dead!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:10 am

B-kun wrote:According to Trunks, Goku was supposed to kill Freeza just as easily.

Yes, but Goku is an established character. Trunks' appearance (heck, a good bit of his story) resembles the 'Mary-Sue'-style fanfiction.