Season Set Flaws - GET OVER IT!!!

COCONUT MILK · Post by **COCONUT MILK** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:36 am

Isn't widescreen "widescreen" because our eyes are widescreen..?

ETC123 · Post by **ETC123** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:39 am

SonGokuGT wrote: Like that's going to happen in this day and age with the anime market the way it is.

Anime market? Sure, it would kill sales of something going at 4-5 eps a volume at $25 a pop, but this is DBZ. This is aimed at a slightly different, very similar, but much larger market of people who consider the Japanese track a boring, lifeless thing with Godzilla music and women voicing every character. Which sure, makes no sense as far as the Japanese BGM dub is concerned, but the entire thing makes no sense.

It's unfortunant to say but with the way they handled every release prior, the Japanese track has always been a secondary thought for DBZ. If no one kicked up a fuss about it way back when, this could have been the first US release with a Japanese track or some such.

I mean I could be wrong but given the way things went, it's not completely implausible.

Isn't widescreen "widescreen" because our eyes are widescreen..?

Yes and no. But you're going in to a lot of wish-wash terminology that means different things to different people.

and stuff.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:12 pm

DemonKingPiccolo wrote:It's like every movie/show that you buy on DVD is in widescreen. I (along with quite a few other people) DON'T HAVE A WIDESCREEN TV!! What the hell would I want a wide-screen DVD for?

So you can see all the footage, duh. If it was intended to be in widescreen, don't crop the image because fullscreen-people for some reason can't handle black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. See, that's what's annoying, catering to people with ridiculous demands rather than releasing things they way it was meant to be (the real way it was supposed to be, FUNi. DBZ was not supposed to be in widescreen).

And now, apparantly, with widescreen growing in popularity, we get widescreen movies the right way, but have to cope with cropped fullscreen shows because now the widescreen guys are complaining about seeing black bars.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:06 pm

Most movies get simultaneous fullscreen and widescreen DVD releases anyway, so what's the big deal!? Hell, a couple of DVD's out there give you both! I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I assume it's done by doing an on-the-fly pan-and scan. Anybody with better technical knowledge care to step in?

On topic... FUNi screwed up big time. They put out a shitty release, that goes against all standards and they won't be getting my money any time soon.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:17 pm

SatoSky wrote:Most movies get simultaneous fullscreen and widescreen DVD releases anyway, so what's the big deal!? Hell, a couple of DVD's out there give you both! I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I assume it's done by doing an on-the-fly pan-and scan. Anybody with better technical knowledge care to step in?

Most of the ones I've seen just use two videos.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:27 pm

Really? Wow, seems like a waste of space.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:04 pm

SonGokuGT wrote:
Xyex wrote:
SonGokuGT wrote: Yeah, the remastering could be a real hackjob...
Oh, wait...
No, it could be worse. FUNi could have realeased a dub only cut version and *just* that. >.>
Like that's going to happen in this day and age with the anime market the way it is.

I guess I just "imagined" the Walmart Inuyasha dub only DVD set I saw. Or the Pokemon season 1 DVD set, all the Yugioh DVDs save 3 "uncut" releases that got sacked after 3 discs, or the Kirby and Sonic X DVDs. Sure it's not the norm but 4Kids Entertainment still does it, sadly enough sucessfully.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:04 pm

At first, the widescreen issue didn't really bug me, it was much more of a "huh?" thing for me when I first heard about it on the Podcast. But then I finally got the season sets, and THEN I felt like they COULD have been wonderful... but having it cropped like that ruins the whole bloody thing, and it's the only thing keeping me from loving these boxsets. I keep catching myself saying in my head: "If only it weren't for the widescreen..."

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:11 pm

Exactly - I mean, the picture quality would still be sub-par, but as long as they didn't do this crazy fucking widescreen thing, everyone would have been happy.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:17 pm

I'm actually the opposite. The widescreen doesn't bother me very much, if at all, but now that I've seen DragonBox footage in motion, I can tell just how much the season sets look like ass in comparison.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:32 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Exactly - I mean, the picture quality would still be sub-par, but as long as they didn't do this crazy fucking widescreen thing, everyone would have been happy.

I don't think so. Widescreen aside, I think the bigger issue with the sets that everyone had was all the damage done with the remastering, such as film tears and outlines vanishing.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:37 pm

VegettoEX wrote:In our review of the first season set in Episode #0065 of the podcast. As a video expert, Jeff immediately noticed that in FUNimation's behind-the-scenes trailer, their split-screen footage of the original/remastered clearly has the "grain" moving at a faster frame-rate than that of the actual video stream behind it... it's a complete fabrication.

[--image snip--]

Holy crap! I remember listening to that podcast and I didn't know that FUNi added fake grain. I must've missed that bit.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:43 pm

laserkid wrote:
SonGokuGT wrote:
Xyex wrote: No, it could be worse. FUNi could have realeased a dub only cut version and *just* that. >.>
Like that's going to happen in this day and age with the anime market the way it is.
I guess I just "imagined" the Walmart Inuyasha dub only DVD set I saw. Or the Pokemon season 1 DVD set, all the Yugioh DVDs save 3 "uncut" releases that got sacked after 3 discs, or the Kirby and Sonic X DVDs. Sure it's not the norm but 4Kids Entertainment still does it, sadly enough sucessfully.

Remember, Pokemon is aimed at young children on both sides of the Pacific. Anime aimed at young children pretty much have no chance at dual language releases because the marketability might not be there.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:19 pm

Tsukento wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Exactly - I mean, the picture quality would still be sub-par, but as long as they didn't do this crazy fucking widescreen thing, everyone would have been happy.
I don't think so. Widescreen aside, I think the bigger issue with the sets that everyone had was all the damage done with the remastering, such as film tears and outlines vanishing.

I agree with Desire. We've been getting craptacular video quality forever with FUNimation. When these sets were announced, what was it... 2 years ago?, I wasn't expecting Dragon Box footage. What I was expecting was the UUE's, just more episodes per release. Instead we got shafted and ended up with cropped DVD's.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:55 pm

SatoSky wrote:I agree with Desire. We've been getting craptacular video quality forever with FUNimation. When these sets were announced, what was it... 2 years ago?, I wasn't expecting Dragon Box footage. What I was expecting was the UUE's, just more episodes per release. Instead we got shafted and ended up cropped DVD's.

We've had grainy footage that was either undersaturated or oversaturated. These boxsets, however, get rid of the grain and add actual problems to the film itself such as tears or sploches that shouldn't even be there. Before it was just about the quality of the masters FUNi had. Now it's actually them doing the damage to the copies they have.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:37 pm

Still, I could have lived with the current footage as long as it wasn't cropped. That's all I was trying to say. Ideally we should have gotten video that was near Dragon Box caliber, but we didn't. Either way, there are still the singles and the Spanish releases. Both of which are damn good releases.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:26 am

SatoSky wrote:Still, I could have lived with the current footage as long as it wasn't cropped.

I believe too that if Funimation just repackaged the episodes, minus the cropping and the remastering that I would proudly have both of the season sets. I say too that we'd have nothing to complain about either if they just released all the episodes uncut first (like they said), then made the season sets.

I'm so frigging tried of Funimation especially since every anime title they own gets a proper release except anything with Dragon, Ball, Z, or GT in the title. Who do they think we are nine year olds.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:20 am

Well, sadly, it seems that there's more people who like the sets than people who hate them.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:41 am

Kendamu wrote:Well, sadly, it seems that there's more people who like the sets than people who hate them.

"There's a nine-year-old born ever day."

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:23 am

Yes I believe just the other day I saw on ANN that Navarre reported their fourth quarter earnings as up thanks to a number of Funi's recent releases including DBZ. -_-