Remastered season 5 trailer.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:08 pm

I just wish everybody knew this so they can enjoy the season sets and realize that FUNimation is a great company. I support FUNimation.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:22 pm

Yes, there's no way for someting to be in 4:3 but on a widescreen tv. They couldn't like, y'know, put bars on the left and the right of the picture and make it pillarboxed, that's just crazy talk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_box_%28film%29

See? I can link to wikipedia too!

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:41 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:
Yes. You can ONLY do 1080p in widescreen. Full-screen television does not allow anything past 480p or 720p. Plus, the Season Set standard DVDs are in HD, its just when you put 1080p into a standard DVD, you don't get the full effects.

You need to read what I wrote.

I wanted to know why Funimation couldn't have done their "remaster" at a 4:3 resolution, if they had done it at something like 1920x1440 (4:3), they would only have to crop it down to 1920x1080 (16:9) for the HD releases, for the standard def releases the wouldn't have to crop it, they'd just have to downconvert their High-def 4:3 image to 480p

Now, you're also wrong, Standard def tv's can't do 720p, NTSC maxes out at 480p, PAL maxes out at 576p, the season sets are NOT HD, they are standard def dvd's taken from a HD source (and a blurry one at that)and comparatively, they have LESS detail than Funi's original single releases.

So..yeah, not only did you grab the wrong end of the stick, you're misinformed.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:05 pm

You CAN put 1080p into a standard DVD. It might not look like HD, and the visual quality might not be HD, but its HD. They put 1080p onto the standrad DVDs, even though the average DVD player can only display 480i/p. So by putting 1080p into a standerd DVD player, it will not display High-Definition footage, but it will be more enchanced then 480/576p, just not HD level. Your right sbout one thing, it does not display 1080p or 720p, but HD footage is on those DVDs, making it as close to HD as possibal. Thats why they have to put it in widescreen.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:14 pm

Oh my good god shit.

The 'Season' DVDs are not in HD, they are standard DVD resolution: 480p. Good god fuck shit cock fuck. I wish I could hate you to death. Nothing you say is true.

The ability to have the video at one resolution, but displayed at another is not only possible, it is what's being done on DVDs now. Standard DVD video is 720x480 and is flagged and resized by the DVD player's software to whatever aspect ratio is desired. whether that mean stretching it to 853x480 (16:9) or shrinking it to 640x480 (4:3). The same process should be availible for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:24 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:You CAN put 1080p into a standard DVD.

Sure you can. A DVD is simply a storage medium. However, if you mean putting 1080p video on a DVD-Video, it's impossible. Read the DVD-Video specifications as outlined by the DVD Forum.

It might not look like HD, and the visual quality might not be HD, but its HD.

"It might look like a dick, but I assure you, it's a vagina."

They put 1080p onto the standrad DVDs, even though the average DVD player can only display 480i/p. So by putting 1080p into a standerd DVD player, it will not display High-Definition footage, but it will be more enchanced then 480/576p, just not HD level.

You can't even spell standard, yet you expect to be taken seriously?

Your right sbout one thing, it does not display 1080p or 720p, but HD footage is on those DVDs, making it as close to HD as possibal. Thats why they have to put it in widescreen.

SBOUT! POSSIBAL! YSE.

You're an idiot. Read about pillarboxing, disc specifications and how to spell basic words, then come back and post...or better yet, don't. kthx.

-Corey

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:28 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:You CAN put 1080p into a standard DVD. It might not look like HD, and the visual quality might not be HD, but its HD. They put 1080p onto the standrad DVDs, even though the average DVD player can only display 480i/p. So by putting 1080p into a standerd DVD player, it will not display High-Definition footage, but it will be more enchanced then 480/576p, just not HD level. Your right sbout one thing, it does not display 1080p or 720p, but HD footage is on those DVDs, making it as close to HD as possibal. Thats why they have to put it in widescreen.

No.

Thats like having a colour photograph on your pc, and printing it, but you don't have a colour printer, so it's black and white, but then you go around telling everyone that you've got a colour photo.

HD footage is not on the season set dvd's, because well, it's on a standard def format, so no matter what reasoning you come up with, the simple fact that it's on a regular dvd means it IS NOT HD.

Video from a HD source that is downconverted, CAN look better than their regular SD counterparts, however this isn't always the case, you have to take into account the age of the prints, the quality of the source, and ultimately what has been done to them, not to mention how the dvd's themselves are authored.

The season sets for example, have less detail than their 4:3 counterparts, sure they have better encodes and downconverted from a HD source, but they were run through a glorified photoshop filter while everyone went out to Starbucks, the fact that it's from a HD source (which was taken from a cartoon animated in the early 90's) doesn't automatically mean it's going to look any better.

*edit* I wouldn't have bothered with that post if I knew Desire and XV were going to do the work for me

*edit*

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:28 pm

Maybe when they had the HD footage, they didn't want to crop the footage AGAIN.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:32 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:Maybe when they had the HD footage, they didn't want to crop the footage AGAIN.

THEN DON'T CROP THE FOOTAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

*brain hurts*

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:33 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:Maybe when they had the HD footage, they didn't want to crop the footage AGAIN.

I'm really sick of seeing this type of argument, people like you make comments that are completely and utterly wrong, they are debunked, then you just continue with your argument like nothing ever happened.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:33 pm

They cropped it to 16:9

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:34 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:They cropped it to 16:9

Yes, and they shouldn't have because the footage was never meant to be such.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:36 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote:They cropped it to 16:9
Yes, and they shouldn't have because the footage was never meant to be such.

And..................... Now we're back to where we started.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:39 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote:They cropped it to 16:9
Yes, and they shouldn't have because the footage was never meant to be such.
And..................... Now we're back to where we started.

Yes, at 'the 4:3 footage was cropped for no reason'. That's where we are.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:41 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote: And..................... Now we're back to where we started.

Uh..

You started it, You were the one that came in completely misinformed and started telling people that they were wrong.

This convinces me now more than ever that there needs to be either a season set website, or a sticky, that gives people the facts, that way they can make an informed decision, and instead of arguments like this, we can just post the link.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:21 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote:
desirecampbell wrote: Yes, and they shouldn't have because the footage was never meant to be such.
And..................... Now we're back to where we started.
Yes, at 'the 4:3 footage was cropped for no reason'. That's where we are.

They cropped it for there future HD realeses on Blue-Ray. They probally are going to realese the whole series again (EVENTUALLY) in blue-ray. Then, it'll be in High Definition, and that is why they cropped it. END OF STORY!

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:23 pm

Ultimate DBZ wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote: And..................... Now we're back to where we started.
Yes, at 'the 4:3 footage was cropped for no reason'. That's where we are.
They cropped it for there future HD realeses on Blue-Ray. They probally are going to realese the whole series again (EVENTUALLY) in blue-ray. Then, it'll be in High Definition, and that is why they cropped it. END OF STORY!

WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!!!

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:24 pm

Lmao. Frustrated much? Can't even type properly right now can you. I don't get how that makes sense. Hasn't it already been proven that they cropped it because they didn't want to expose the damage on the top and bottom frames? (please correct me if I am dead wrong. )

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:25 pm

This is pointless. There was no need to crop the releases - this is not arguable, this is fact. Both standard and high definition releases could have been 4:3, Funi chose to crop footage that was never designed to be cropped.

If you wish to argue anything, back it up.

-edit-

Snail wrote:Lmao. Frustrated much? Can't even type properly right now can you. I don't get how that makes sense. Hasn't it already been proven that they cropped it because they didn't want to expose the damage on the top and bottom frames? (please correct me if I am dead wrong. )

It's once possible reason, but we don't know for sure.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:48 pm

Snail wrote:Lmao. Frustrated much? Can't even type properly right now can you. I don't get how that makes sense. Hasn't it already been proven that they cropped it because they didn't want to expose the damage on the top and bottom frames? (please correct me if I am dead wrong. )

Acutally, your right.

desirecampbell is saying shit with no info to back him up. Here's some info to back me up. I'm right, they did have a reason.

1. Overscan

Most of the forum posts with screen captures, and even the ones we initially provided, do not take into account a 4:3 televisions overscan. Ripping a screen capture from a computer software DVD player will not provide a true representation/comparison of the television viewing experience. When this same DVD is played back on a set top DVD player, connected to a 4:3 television, there will be a certain amount, up to 10% from each side (top, bottom and sides) of the image that will not be viewable. This is known as overscan. Every 4:3 television has some amount of overscan; however, the amount of image that is not visible due to overscan will vary from TV to TV.

Viewing a 16:9 image that is played back as letter boxed on a 4:3 television, there is no image lost to the overscanning for the TV. The full 720x480 anamorphic image is viewable. The television still will not display the same amount of video due to the overscan; however, its not as noticeable because the missing video is black. The amount of image from the film that is lost from the top and bottom of the 16:9 transfer will be very similar to the amount of image lost from the top and bottom of a 4:30 transfer due to the televisions overscanning.

2. Cropping

When transferring film to video, there will always be some amount of cropping that occurs. To avoid areas of the original film that are damaged, the lens can be zoomed closer into the film. Once the film has been framed to avoid this damaged area, it could be considered cropped from its original form. This happens on every film transfer. Less damage to the film provides a greater image area to work with, while more damage to the film results in less area in which to work.

The images HERE show two consecutive frames from the film used in the Dragon Ball Z Season One transfer. The Original Frame is a shot of the actual film with out any processing applied. Damage at the top of the frame can be seen as well as the rounded corners of the exposed area of the film. The 4x3 Full Frame shows the area of the film when it is transferred from the film as 4:3. The 4x3 Overscan shows the image as it is viewable on a 4:3 television, taking in 10% of each side due to overscan. And finally, the 16x9 widescreen illustrates the same image as it is presented on Dragon Ball Z Season One. Notice that after cropping for the film damage as a 4x3 image and allowing for a televisions overscan, there is little difference between the top and bottom of the 4x3 overscan and the 16x9 widescreen images. At the same time, there is clearly more of the film visible on the left and right sides in the 16x9 transfer.

(And I am 100% sure about this as i have proof to all of this.)

http://community.funimation.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=15789

So basicly, VegettoEX lied to us, the reviews lied to us, and FUNimation lied to us. You just can't trust anyone anymore.