Gogeta or Vegetto

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:24 pm

That however might be a side effect of his fusion with that witch, as it might have tainted his spirit and left him open to more lewd and perverse thoughts.

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:26 am

I still can't help but question if Gogeta is even possible for Goku & Vegeta to create since the two fusees have to be of similar size and power. Goku can lower his power to match Vegeta's but he still stands a whole head above Vegeta. Trunks was slightly taller than Goten, but Vegeta only goes to Goku's shoulder.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:53 am

Amigo Ten wrote:I always assumed the old Kaioshin in the sword was a previous East Kaioshin, and I'm not sure why.

He's said to be the East Kaioshin of 15 generations ago in the anime guidebook DBZ Son Goku Densetsu, but I have the nagging feeling that this is actually mentioned in the series itself at one point (the "East Kaioshin" part that is; I know he does say he's from 15 generations ago).

Bussani wrote:On a complete side note, we had a thread earlier where Herms and/or Hujio said that there was no evidence that Elder Kaioshin was ever the Dai Kaioshin, and that we didn't know where the term 'Rou Dai' came from. I noticed when watching the Buu saga recently that, when being polite, Kibitoshin and the others do seem to refer to him as Dai Kaioshin a few times. Is it just that he took on this role after being released?

He does get called "Dai-Kaioshin" by Goku and Kibito when he offers to give his life to Goku (this drops out of the Viz manga simply because Goku and Kibito are speaking directly to him, and so say "your life" rather than "Dai-Kaioshin's life", as is more natural in English). This is in fact the very first time the phrase "Dai-Kaioshin" gets used in the series, because while East Kaioshin mentions that there used to be 5 Kaioshins when he first explains about Boo, he doesn't mention them by individual title until later. Oddly, it's only in that one chapter that the Elder Kaioshin is called "Dai-Kaioshin". It's possibly that they decided to elect him Dai-Kaioshin based on his senior status, or that this was his position originally (though the fact that they just stop calling him that suggest it was an informal title). Either way, he's never called "Rou Dai Kaioshin", only either "Rou Kaioshin", "Dai-Kaioshin", or simply "Kaioshin".

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:04 am

Herms wrote:He does get called "Dai-Kaioshin" by Goku and Kibito when he offers to give his life to Goku (this drops out of the Viz manga simply because Goku and Kibito are speaking directly to him, and so say "your life" rather than "Dai-Kaioshin's life", as is more natural in English). This is in fact the very first time the phrase "Dai-Kaioshin" gets used in the series, because while East Kaioshin mentions that there used to be 5 Kaioshins when he first explains about Boo, he doesn't mention them by individual title until later. Oddly, it's only in that one chapter that the Elder Kaioshin is called "Dai-Kaioshin". It's possibly that they decided to elect him Dai-Kaioshin based on his senior status, or that this was his position originally (though the fact that they just stop calling him that suggest it was an informal title). Either way, he's never called "Rou Dai Kaioshin", only either "Rou Kaioshin", "Dai-Kaioshin", or simply "Kaioshin".

I see. It did seem pretty random when they used it. I wondered if it was an anime only line, but you've answered that. Thanks.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:16 am

Travis Touchdown wrote:I still can't help but question if Gogeta is even possible for Goku & Vegeta to create since the two fusees have to be of similar size and power. Goku can lower his power to match Vegeta's but he still stands a whole head above Vegeta. Trunks was slightly taller than Goten, but Vegeta only goes to Goku's shoulder.

Goku outright states that he can perform the fusion dance with Vegeta.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:32 am

Rocketman wrote:
Travis Touchdown wrote:I still can't help but question if Gogeta is even possible for Goku & Vegeta to create since the two fusees have to be of similar size and power. Goku can lower his power to match Vegeta's but he still stands a whole head above Vegeta. Trunks was slightly taller than Goten, but Vegeta only goes to Goku's shoulder.
Goku outright states that he can perform the fusion dance with Vegeta.

In the manga?

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:43 am

I always wanted Goku and Piccolo to accidentally fuse when they were showing the boys how to do it.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:52 am

They can't. Piccolo is almost twice the size of Goku.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:55 am

Yeah, I know. I just wanted it to happen.

Geez, you're more of a buzzkill that Buzz Killington.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:10 am

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Goku outright states that he can perform the fusion dance with Vegeta.
In the manga?

Yeah, when he first explains Fusion. He says that if Vegeta or Gohan were still alive, he could have fused with either of them. He says that the power and sizes of the two people have to be 'around the same'.

Senzu_Bean · Post by **Senzu_Bean** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:28 am

Really? I thought it had to do with size and not shape. Amigo Ten, then it is possible.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:14 am

Senzu_Bean wrote:Really? I thought it had to do with size and not shape. Amigo Ten, then it is possible.

Who said anything about shape?

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:28 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Really? I thought it had to do with size and not shape. Amigo Ten, then it is possible.

I would consider Piccolo and Goku to not being around the same size.

I mean, if I remember correctly, there was one guide with the supposedly real world height that the fighters would have, and Vegeta was stated to be 1,65 meters in height (or something like that) and Goku 1,75 meters (or something like that), while Piccolo was stated to be 2,10 meters (or something like that).

Post by **Herms** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:49 pm

rereboy wrote:I mean, if I remember correctly, there was one guide with the supposedly real world height that the fighters would have, and Vegeta was stated to be 1,65 meters in height (or something like that) and Goku 1,75 meters (or something like that), while Piccolo was stated to be 2,10 meters (or something like that).

That was the Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume. It put Goku at 175 cm, Vegeta at 164 cm, and Piccolo at 226 cm.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:50 pm

Thanks, Herms.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:06 pm

No one is answering my question. Is Cell stronger than the chubby Dai Kaioshin back before Buu? He looked like this.

I know that nobody knows for sure, but there are a lot of DBZ fans on this forum thats been watching DBZ for a very long time, so this would be the best place to get oppinions on who's stronger.

Oh, and I think the chubby Dai Kaioshin is more powerful than the East Kaioshin. The East Kaioshin was the strongest out of the 4 regular Kaioshins, but not the Dai Kaioshin.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:08 pm

The South Kaioshin was the strongest of the 4. (South was the big burly one, yeah?)

Post by **Herms** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:11 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:The South Kaioshin was the strongest of the 4. (South was the big burly one, yeah?)

That's right.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:13 pm

Of the 4 regular Kaioshins, the South was stronger. But the Dai Kaioshin was still stronger than the South Kaioshin, just like the Dai Kaio-sama was stronger than the other 4 kaio-samas.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:18 pm

I'm inclined to think chubby Kaioshin wasn't stronger than the South Kaioshin. I don't think he has to be stronger just because he's higher up. He was the purest of the lot though. Probably the purest, most kind-hearted being in existence in DB.