Dragonball Season sets

Brakus · Post by **Brakus** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:54 pm

Before this thread gets locked up, I just want to post some input. Jeez, I take a weekend trip to Atlanta and I miss this?

Regarding the Dragon Ball season sets.... when they become available some years down the line, I'll be putting down my money/credit cards for those sets. I got the Red Ribbon Army saga DVDs about a year ago and I enjoyed those episodes.... and was treated to how funny Dragon Ball was back then.

As long as there's good sound on it, good picture, and an attractive cover on the front, I'll buy it.

Regarding Chris Sabat: people here fail to realize that he's voiced other characters besides those on Dragon Ball Z. And for the most part he's done them quite well. I've enjoyed his take on Zoro on One Piece -- just using his normal voice, with his dry wit and sarcasm. I've enjoyed his Saiga on Speed Grapher and Roy on Solty Rei - mostly acting using his normal voice. Even on other shows where he sounds nothing like his regular voice, he's done a good job. His Ayame on Fruits Basket was just so fun. His robot voice on Samurai 7 was hilariously over-the-top. He's fun to listen to as Armstrong on Fullmetal Alchemist. And if you're ever in a video arcade and play Time Crisis 4, Chris Sabat is one of the people communicating with the gunmen throughout the game. (among other relatively prominent voice actors like Travis Willingham, Patrick Seitz, and Michael McConnohie.) He's done a lot of work for many video games to, not just the DBZ games.

I don't think it's a jealousy thing; more of an irrational dislike for someone who's legitimately talented - he's done voiceover for years, and was an opera major for a while. I get that most people on this forum don't like Chris Sabat; I *don't* get that they hate him for his supposed lack of talent. If people here choose to hate Chris Sabat, I won't stop them. I'll just have a hard time buying their argument that he's not talented.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:51 pm

Baba's japanese voice is the absolute lowpoint of the entire show.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:33 am

Few of my personal comments, both fact and opinion since in some situations I am 'in the know'.

Don't underjudge ANY actor because they primarily do anime ADR. I could go on about this for any number of reasons, but trust me, more and more we will start seeing them in normal animation and other roles because they ARE that good.

While modern ADRing (both Japanese and English, since they both record most anime after episodes are fully animated) can get lip synching amazingly close, the Japanese often do take a 'thats close enough' road to it, even when it is often way off. While this may be an annoyance, it only signifies a difference in the way stuff is recorded in both countries (many recordings in Japan will have the entire cast in a room with mics, and someone will step up for their lines, do it, and if it's good enough, they move on, while nearly all American recording for it is still the 'one actor is in a booth for 4, 5, or more hours, and records his/her roles for a few episodes often doing many takes, and having sat thru recording for some of Idaten Jump, even for a tv only 'kids dubbed show' an amazing amount of effort is given by everyone, also, Blum has an amazingly filthy mouth, if only you could hear the bloopers....)

Sabat was most likely in the right place at the right time in the beginning, but in the past couple of years he has gained a legitimate talent for acting, which many people might still disagree with (Samurai 7 and Tsubasa being good examples of acting.)

Anyone ANYONE, who has told you that Dragonball Remastered is currently being worked on was bullshitting you (it may be, but outside of Funi no one knows), and to add to that, people at the old Z Store didn't know jack, anything you were told about future unannounced releases from them were guesses, they did that for years.

As far as I am aware the Trimark/Kidmark Dragonball license will NEVER expire, any attempt at a real release of these in the USA will be based on Funimation making a deal with Trimark in some fashion, if at all.

Since there hasn't been an official announcement about GT Season 1 yet, if we don't get one soon we can probably likely say it has been delayed or cancelled.

And as always, nothing I say is official, just what I know, so take it as you will.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:10 am

Super Sonic wrote:On topic, while at con last weekend I did ask the Funi booth about DB, and said something about really wanting to get the first 13 eps. Did pick up the Baba saga. Have to say, I don't like Baba's Japanese man voice. I prefer Mayumi Tanaka's and Linda Young's voices for her.

I adore Linda Young. When she's not pretending to be Freeza.

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:41 pm

As someone learning to be an animator I'll add in a note about lipsync.

The way all of my teachers have taught us, it's not necessary to do a prefect sync. You keep a rough connection to the lip flaps, try to hit the primary vowels and make sure that when the person starts or stops talking the mouth stops. The exactitudes of the mouth shapes have never been as important as the acting you put in- it's the movements and emotion of the character that go farther to sell the line. Granted... there isn't much a dub can do about movement because it's all already animated.

My problem with Sabat more stems from an extreme amount of love for Toshio Furukawa, Scott McNeil and Piccolo. If it was anybody else I could have gotten use to it. But it was my baby, and two of my favorite voices ever. I know people do like him so I'm not gonna let myself start twitching and screaming about him, but I'm not gonna like him either. The hatred is deeply irrational, but it's still very much there and I'm not really gonna get over it because there's just things I loose my head about.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:52 pm

I think that Chris Sabat's most irritating voice on the series happens to be Piccolo's. Kami's is good, the Vegeta voice I like, Yamcha seems to fit really well, Mr. Popo... is Mr. Popo, and I believe he does Shenron, which sounds pretty much dead on to the first dub incarnation of him.

The thing is, in DBZ, there is just way too much dialog and too little time to do it in. It's about the flaps, and when the mouth flaps actually do close, that's when the voice actors have to stop. So in turn, many lines seem rushed. If they were to dumb down the lines, they wouldn't make sense because it would feel like a huge chunk of dialog is missing.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:47 pm

Piccolo sounded horrible when Sabat started. His voice was too rough and overacted. Goku's bad voice in the beginning was understandable, because Sean Schemmel was actually sick when they recorded the Frieza saga.

Brakus · Post by **Brakus** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:04 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Piccolo sounded horrible when Sabat started. His voice was too rough and overacted.

"YES YES YES YES! I CAN WIN! I FEEL GREAT! I... CAN... DO... THIS! UUUNGH!"

It hit me once again - Sabat kept trying to voice match Scott McNeil on his Piccolo. It's really obvious when you watch those early Season 3 episodes. Oddly enough, I'm not sure if Sabat re-did any of Piccolo's voices for the re-dub. I *know* he re-did a lot of Vegeta lines.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:05 pm

Brakus wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Piccolo sounded horrible when Sabat started. His voice was too rough and overacted.
"YES YES YES YES! I CAN WIN! I FEEL GREAT! I... CAN... DO... THIS! UUUNGH!"

It hit me once again - Sabat kept trying to voice match Scott McNeil on his Piccolo. It's really obvious when you watch those early Season 3 episodes. Oddly enough, I'm not sure if Sabat re-did any of Piccolo's voices for the re-dub. I *know* he re-did a lot of Vegeta lines.

Yup, he only redubbed Vegeta. He left Piccolo alone, unfortunately. And while we're on the subject of Mr. Sabat, I just found out that Linda Young, Frieza's VA, is his grandmother, as well s John Bugemeier's (Tien's VA) mother.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:02 pm

I'm glad Chris Sabat left Piccolo's old voice in the Frieza Saga. I think it sounds much better. I could fall asleep listening to Piccolo from the Majin Buu Saga for too long. It also sounded more different from Vegeta's voice than later on.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:11 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:I'm glad Chris Sabat left Piccolo's old voice in the Freeza Saga. I think it sounds much better. I could fall asleep listening to Piccolo from the Majin Buu Saga for too long. It also sounded more different from Vegeta's voice than later on.

You actually thought that Piccolo's voice was better in the Frieza saga?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:14 pm

For Piccolo it was. For every other character it wasn't.

The reason I like his Frieza Saga Piccolo voice is because it was a bit more raspy as opposed to him speaking like some drone.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:45 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:For Piccolo it was. For every other character it wasn't.

The reason I like his Freeza Saga Piccolo voice is because it was a bit more raspy as opposed to him speaking like some drone.

Piccolo's voice made better by raspiness. I can't even wrap my mind around it. I guess everyone's gonna like the voice they spend the most time listening too.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:52 pm

Hey you have the right to your opinion. I just like the Frieza Saga Piccolo voice. I like it more than the later Piccolo voice. Still, when compared to Scott McNeil, Mr. Sabat fell a few miles too short.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:56 pm

How come all of the Season Set threads these days diverge into voice actor discussions?

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:59 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey you have the right to your opinion. I just like the Freeza Saga Piccolo voice. I like it more than the later Piccolo voice. Still, when compared to Scott McNeil, Mr. Sabat fell a few miles too short.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come off like I was insulting your opinion. I just literally can't fathom the notion of that quality to the voice being an improvement. I just find it interesting how different people here different voices and in some respects different interpretations in their heads for the same characters.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:11 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey you have the right to your opinion. I just like the Freeza Saga Piccolo voice. I like it more than the later Piccolo voice. Still, when compared to Scott McNeil, Mr. Sabat fell a few miles too short.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come off like I was insulting your opinion. I just literally can't fathom the notion of that quality to the voice being an improvement. I just find it interesting how different people here different voices and in some respects different interpretations in their heads for the same characters.

It improves it if only because it's something. Sabat's Piccolo (and his Vegeta) end up being very flat, at least the rasp in the voices gives them some character. *shrug*

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:31 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:How come all of the Season Set threads these days diverge into voice actor discussions?

Because after we talk about the price and the widescreen issue, the redub is the next big change that was made. And people can get really passionate about the voices, I know I can at least > >

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:28 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:
TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey you have the right to your opinion. I just like the Freeza Saga Piccolo voice. I like it more than the later Piccolo voice. Still, when compared to Scott McNeil, Mr. Sabat fell a few miles too short.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come off like I was insulting your opinion. I just literally can't fathom the notion of that quality to the voice being an improvement. I just find it interesting how different people here different voices and in some respects different interpretations in their heads for the same characters.
It improves it if only because it's something. Sabat's Piccolo (and his Vegeta) end up being very flat, at least the rasp in the voices gives them some character. *shrug*

The balls are inert.