Who is the strongest human?

[Toriyama Boss]

Except you know it doesn't at all. In fact its the complete opposite.

No it's not.

Um yeah it really is. Look people need to bring out some better stuff. Because as is the Krillan backers are just going to keep running into the same wall. Tenshinhan was always stronger. xcept for maybe a brief period on Namek. When Krillian had his current potential unlocked. But after a year of training under the lord of worlds and three years training on his own. Tenshinhan surpassed Krillan. The fact that Toriyama alway used Tenshinhan in fighting situations as superior points to this.

But some people just dance around Ten slowing Cell down. There is no equivilent moment during this period or after for Krillan. In fact if you use the anime. Krillan's most powerful attack was no sold by Perfect Cell. But its not completely fair to use that.

But in the Buu saga Ten deflected a energy blast created by Gotenks Buu. Who referred to Ten as a legendary fighter. Using the anime again, Krillan did not land a single blow on Super Buu. Once again not cmpletely fair to use that. Even if its one of Krillan's best moments on the show. Showing him going on a suicide run against a monster that Vegeat, Goku and Gohan could not stop..

It's been stated though, Author's intent should always be taken into consideration.

[Victator Supreme]

No it's not.

Um yeah it really is. Look people need to bring out some better stuff. Because as is the Krillan backers are just going to keep running into the same wall. Tenshinhan was always stronger. xcept for maybe a brief period on Namek. When Krillian had his current potential unlocked. But after a year of training under the lord of worlds and three years training on his own. Tenshinhan surpassed Krillan. The fact that Toriyama alway used Tenshinhan in fighting situations as superior points to this.

But some people just dance around Ten slowing Cell down. There is no equivilent moment during this period or after for Krillan. In fact if you use the anime. Krillan's most powerful attack was no sold by Perfect Cell. But its not completely fair to use that.

But in the Buu saga Ten deflected a energy blast created by Gotenks Buu. Who referred to Ten as a legendary fighter. Using the anime again, Krillan did not land a single blow on Super Buu. Once again not cmpletely fair to use that. Even if its one of Krillan's best moments on the show. Showing him going on a suicide run against a monster that Vegeat, Goku and Gohan could not stop..

It's been stated though, Author's intent should always be taken into consideration.

Where was it stated? Yamcha aying it does not count. Thats simply that characters opinon.

[Toriyama Boss]

Um yeah it really is. Look people need to bring out some better stuff. Because as is the Krillan backers are just going to keep running into the same wall. Tenshinhan was always stronger. xcept for maybe a brief period on Namek. When Krillian had his current potential unlocked. But after a year of training under the lord of worlds and three years training on his own. Tenshinhan surpassed Krillan. The fact that Toriyama alway used Tenshinhan in fighting situations as superior points to this.

But some people just dance around Ten slowing Cell down. There is no equivilent moment during this period or after for Krillan. In fact if you use the anime. Krillan's most powerful attack was no sold by Perfect Cell. But its not completely fair to use that.

But in the Buu saga Ten deflected a energy blast created by Gotenks Buu. Who referred to Ten as a legendary fighter. Using the anime again, Krillan did not land a single blow on Super Buu. Once again not cmpletely fair to use that. Even if its one of Krillan's best moments on the show. Showing him going on a suicide run against a monster that Vegeat, Goku and Gohan could not stop..

It's been stated though, Author's intent should always be taken into consideration.

Where was it stated? Yamcha aying it does not count. Thats simply that characters opinon.

No No my friend...What you say is opinion, Yamcha's is the author's intentions.

[Jackal puFF]

Well, Krillin got a blow on Kid Buu! Sliced in half sucka! I'm pretty sure he could've killed Frieza if he kept those discs coming!

[Victator Supreme]

It's been stated though, Author's intent should always be taken into consideration.

Where was it stated? Yamcha aying it does not count. Thats simply that characters opinon.

No No my friend...What you say is opinion, Yamcha's is the author's intentions.

Um you seem to have a poor grasp of how fiction writing works. If Yamcha says the it rains ice cream on Friday. That does not make it so, or mean Akira Toriyama thinks it rains ice cream in Dragon World.

The character of Yamcha was giving an opinon on something. An opinon that could be taken several different ways. It in no way acts as proof that Krillan is more powerful than Tenshinhan. Especially when all proof given shows thats simply not the case.

That proof being when Tenshinhan was abl to slow down an oppent that could easily crush Frieza, the Androids and the early super saiyans.

[Toriyama Boss]

Where was it stated? Yamcha aying it does not count. Thats simply that characters opinon.

No No my friend...What you say is opinion, Yamcha's is the author's intentions.

Um you seem to have a poor grasp of how fiction writing works. If Yamcha says the it rains ice cream on Friday. That does not make it so, or mean Akira Toriyama thinks it rains ice cream in Dragon World.

The character of Yamcha was giving an opinon on something. An opinon that could be taken several different ways. It in no way acts as proof that Krillan is more powerful than Tenshinhan. Especially when all proof given shows thats simply not the case.

That proof being when Tenshinhan was abl to slow down an oppent that could easily crush Freeza, the Androids and the early super saiyans.

I know how fiction works, and it works by an author telling a story THROUGH his characters. It was a statement made by a character in Toriyama's story, fans should take the Author's intent.

[Victator Supreme]

No No my friend...What you say is opinion, Yamcha's is the author's intentions.

Um you seem to have a poor grasp of how fiction writing works. If Yamcha says the it rains ice cream on Friday. That does not make it so, or mean Akira Toriyama thinks it rains ice cream in Dragon World.

The character of Yamcha was giving an opinon on something. An opinon that could be taken several different ways. It in no way acts as proof that Krillan is more powerful than Tenshinhan. Especially when all proof given shows thats simply not the case.

That proof being when Tenshinhan was abl to slow down an oppent that could easily crush Freeza, the Androids and the early super saiyans.

I know how fiction works, and it works by an author telling a story THROUGH his characters. It was a statement made by a character in Toriyama's story, fans should take the Author's intent.

No they should not. That is just assinine. A character making a declaration does not equal the author making a declaration. Especially when story elements contradict that character.

Once again if Yamcha said it rains ice cream. It does not mean Toriyama thinks it rains ice cream in Dragon world. It simply mans Yamcha made a wrong statement. This is not complicated.

[desirecampbell]

Oh god, the quotes.


So here's what we have:

Kuririn is the strongest human: +PRO / -CON

+ Yamcha said Kuririn was the strongest human.
- But he said it to Kuririn's daughter...
- ...to appease her.

+ But Yamcha saying it could mean it's just something Toriyama wanted to input without resorting to supplemental books or narration.
- But there's no evidence Toriyama is doing such.

- And Tenshinhan is undoubtedly stronger than Kuririn...
+ but the daizenshuu says Ten's not entirely human (so Yamcha might not be including him in with 'humans')
+ Discounting Ten, Kuririn's biggest human rival is Yamcha himself, and he should know if Kuririn's stronger than him or not.


Sounds like it all hinges on whether or not Ten is human or not - and we have no more information on that than we've ever had: one daizenshuu entry says he's descended from aliens, but there's absolutely no indication of this in the story proper.

[Toriyama Boss]

Um you seem to have a poor grasp of how fiction writing works. If Yamcha says the it rains ice cream on Friday. That does not make it so, or mean Akira Toriyama thinks it rains ice cream in Dragon World.

The character of Yamcha was giving an opinon on something. An opinon that could be taken several different ways. It in no way acts as proof that Krillan is more powerful than Tenshinhan. Especially when all proof given shows thats simply not the case.

That proof being when Tenshinhan was abl to slow down an oppent that could easily crush Freeza, the Androids and the early super saiyans.

I know how fiction works, and it works by an author telling a story THROUGH his characters. It was a statement made by a character in Toriyama's story, fans should take the Author's intent.

No they should not. That is just assinine. A character making a declaration does not equal the author making a declaration. Especially when story elements contradict that character.

Once again if Yamcha said it rains ice cream. It does not mean Toriyama thinks it rains ice cream in Dragon world. It simply mans Yamcha made a wrong statement. This is not complicated.

Taking the author's intent is mindless? You know this world is in shambles when people ignore a direct statement from a character that is the author's intent. Nothing was contradicted, just cause Tien GOT A CHANCE to do things Kuririn didn't do doesn't make him stronger. Especially considering the fact that the statements about Kuririn being strongest are from the Buu saga! The story right then and there is letting you know who is strongest. Not too mention the DAIZENSHUU 2 labels Kuririn as the strongest human as well! If you were taking a test and that test asked you who was said to be the strongest human in Dragonball..You would undoubtably FAIL.

Whatever dude, you can go along with what you want to believe, I am done with this...You can have a nerd rage over something that is already BLATANTLY stated (In the Dragonball Manga, Anime and the Dragonball Daizenshuu) and trivial to even contradict. So you can keep going and think what you think you know but remember it ain't what you know it is what you can prove and the whole damn Dragonball Franchise proves you wrong.

[Terra-jin]

Now that's a long quotesnake.

[Victator Supreme]

Taking the author's intent is mindless? You know this world is in shambles when people ignore a direct statement from a character that is the author's intent. Nothing was contradicted, just cause Tenshinhan GOT A CHANCE to do things Kuririn didn't do doesn't make him stronger. Especially considering the fact that the statements about Kuririn being strongest are from the Buu saga! The story right then and there is letting you know who is strongest. Not too mention the DAIZENSHUU 2 labels Kuririn as the strongest human as well! If you were taking a test and that test asked you who was said to be the strongest human in Dragonball..You would undoubtably FAIL.

Whatever dude, you can go along with what you want to believe, I am done with this...You can have a nerd rage over something that is already BLATANTLY stated (In the Dragonball Manga, Anime and the Dragonball Daizenshuu) and trivial to even contradict. So you can keep going and think what you think you know but remember it ain't what you know it is what you can prove and the whole damn Dragonball Franchise proves you wrong.

BECAUSE ITS NOT THE AUTHORS INTENT!!! One character saying it does not express the authors intent. Especially when the character saying it is Yamcha. Now if Goku said it, while watching a fight between Krillian and Tnshinhan. Then yes that coukl be taken as the authors intent.

But Yamcha making an off hand remark to a four year old (who is you know Krillian's daughter) is not the authors intent. You are just talking out of your ass, using terms you do not fully understand.

LOL at you now trying to use the Daizenshuu as proof. Is it the same one that said Ten is an alien? You just keep digging a deeper hole.

[Kid Trunks]

Based on what Yamcha says, I would share the belief that Toriyama's intention was that Krillin was the strongest human. I say "belief" because I'm not going to tout it as fact, since its impossible to prove who is stronger between the two.

[Kendamu]

I believe that Tenshinhan and Kuririn kind of trade it off back and forth as to who is the strongest. Ten started out stronger, the Kuririn got stronger than Ten for a long while, then they started to even back up, and finally Kuririn settled down and (I assume) Tenshinhan kept up with his training.

My guess is that Ten started off and ended up as the strongest. However, the title of "strongest human" changed hands between the two a few times.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

+ but the daizenshuu says Ten's not entirely human (so Yamcha might not be including him in with 'humans')

He actually says "Among the Earthlings..." Tenshinhan is as much of an Earthling as the dog king is.

[desirecampbell]

+ but the daizenshuu says Ten's not entirely human (so Yamcha might not be including him in with 'humans')

He actually says "Among the Earthlings..." Tenshinhan is as much of an Earthling as the dog king is.

Oh, well, if Yamcha's counting kuririn as stronger than Ten, we know he's wrong.

Noone's seriously saying Kuririn's stronger than Tenshinhan, right?

[djkalteraphine]

My guess is, we'll never know who'll win.

[Raki]

Didn't Toriyama say he wanted to give Krillin some type of spot or title in one of the interviews or Daizenshuu?

[Herms]

Didn't Toriyama say he wanted to give Krillin some type of spot or title in one of the interviews or Daizenshuu?

Not to my knowledge.

[SSj_Rambo]

Didn't Toriyama say he wanted to give Krillin some type of spot or title in one of the interviews or Daizenshuu?

He was on the cover of Daizenshuu 2, I think that was the biggest break he ever got as far as in public material.

[Xyex]

I know how fiction works, and it works by an author telling a story THROUGH his characters. It was a statement made by a character in Toriyama's story, fans should take the Author's intent.

I guess that means that Vegeta became a Super Saiya-jin on Namek in the battle against Freeza then.

The only time you can take something as the words of the author is when they're in a narration block. If it's character speech then it can only be taken as the character's words, not the author's. If a little narration block had discussed the characters and included "Krillin, the strongest among humans/Earthlings" in it, then yeah, that'd be Toriyama saying Krillin was the strongest.

But the scene in question is just Yamcha saying that Krillin's the strongest. And to Krillin's daughter, no less. Trunks also told Goten (I believe it was Goten) that his father was the strongest because as far as Trunks knew, he was. Same goes for Yamcha's statement. As far as he knows, as he's not seen Tien in 7 years, Krillin is still the strongest.