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Post by Olivier Hague » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:06 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Why trust those sketches? Toei and Shueisha always make weird ass English mistakes when it comes to the characters' names.
"Mistakes"? They're their characters, you know? Who's to say their spellings are wrong? And how could our spellings be more reliable?
Plus, "Abo" and "Kado" should obviously be transliterated as "Avo" and "Cado."
'Depends how obvious they want the pun to be. "Bulma" wasn't that obvious.

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Post by Undercooked Sausage » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:18 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Why trust those sketches? Toei and Shueisha always make weird ass English mistakes when it comes to the characters' names.
"Mistakes"? They're their characters, you know? Who's to say their spellings are wrong? And how could our spellings be more reliable?
This is one of the strangest things i've ever read on the internet. So you're saying that it is not possible for people to mistranslate or make typos regarding their intellectual properties?

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:52 am

Olivier Hague wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Why trust those sketches? Toei and Shueisha always make weird ass English mistakes when it comes to the characters' names.
"Mistakes"? They're their characters, you know? Who's to say their spellings are wrong? And how could our spellings be more reliable?
The problem with Dragon Ball is that any given character can have more than one "official" name. For instance, Toriyama has written Goku's name out as both "Goku" and "Gokuh" in the manga, and everyone else wants to call him "Gokou." Then, there's Freeza/Frieza, Vegeta/Begeta/Bageta...

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Post by Olivier Hague » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:10 am

Undercooked Sausage wrote:This is one of the strangest things i've ever read on the internet. So you're saying that it is not possible for people to mistranslate or make typos regarding their intellectual properties?
I'm saying it's extremely weird to rely on one fan's preferences rather than on the makers'. Nothing strange about that, really. It's just logical.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:The problem with Dragon Ball is that any given character can have more than one "official" name.
Sure, but how many official spellings have you seen for the name of Vegeta's little brother?

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Post by Herms » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:54 am

OK, here's the translation of the detailed plot summary for the special. It's pretty loose at times, because I wanted to just get the idea of what happens in the special across without being too tied to how the person phrased things.

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It has been two years since Majin Buu was defeated. Satan has become a hero for defeating Buu (the poster asks how this can be since everyone but the main character’s memories of Buu have been erased by Shenlong, but during the last chapter or so of DB, Videl or someone says that everyone remembers that Satan saved them, they just don’t remember from what. Though it seems that later reporters to explicitely mention Buu, which would be a plothole). Videl remembers the truth about those events, and seems to be embarrassed about her father. A gigantic hotel is built in commemoration of Satan, and is finally completed. Satan sends for Goku and the others who fought with him, and throws a party. Meanwhile, Goku, Chi Chi, Gohan, and Goten are making their living growing radishes (daikon, or “deekon”, as Nozawa calls them). Videl comes and asks Gohan to bring his family to the party. At first Goku doesn’t want to go, but he decides to when he hears that he will be able to eat rare food there.

Later, many jet fliers set off for the hotel, with Kame-sennin, No.18, Kuririn, etc, and they give Goku and family a lift. Piccolo doesn’t ride one though, but rather flies after them on his own. A group from Capsule Corporation arrives at the hotel first, and when Vegeta and Goku meet they soon get into a fight. But since the party is starting, Goku goes off to the assembly hall. Apart from Goku and family, Vegeta and family, and Kame-sennin’s group, the crowd includes Dende, Popo, Karin, Yajirobe, Yamcha, Oolong, Gyuumao, Kaio, Bubbles, Gregory, Kibito-shin, and Elder Kaioshin.

Despite the fact that there’s supposed to be no coverage of the party, members of the press appear and ask Satan questions about Buu’s defeat. As the Z Warriors are eating, two round spaceships lands on Earth. Piccolo and Gohan are the first to notice, then No.18, and then everyone stops eating and the atmosphere becomes tense.

From the two spaceships emerge a sharp-eyed Saiyan, and a small alien about 60 cm tall. Using his scouter to detect high battle powers, the Saiyan arrives at the party, and when he sees Vegeta he calls him “big brother”. The Z Warriors are all shocked by this sudden event. The Saiyan is named Table, and the other alien is his wife, named Grey. Vegeta says that Table was sent off to a remote planet because he had no talent for battle. It turns out that Table wants them to defeat Abo and Kado, who ravished his planet, and as the two of them have pursued him to Earth, Table begs Vegeta to save him.

But Goku says “Are they strong? I wanna fight them!”, Gohan wants to help as well, Goten and Trunks think it sounds interesting, Kuririn and Yamcha say they want to try as well, and finally even Kame-sennin wants to fight. Table measures the Z Warriors battle powers with his scouter, and says that they’ll be of no help since their battle powers are so low. But Vegeta scolds Table for relying on his scouter, and Goku gathers ki to show his power. The battle power reading on the scouter steadily increases, and it breaks as Goku goes Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan 2 (with sparks and everything), making Table understand Goku’s power. Since it will be unfair to the weak people if everybody fights, Goku suggests they select a single representative to fight. Tenshinhan and Lunch aren’t present for this, but Kuririn’s daughter Marron is.

Goku teleports Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Yamcha, Kuririn, Kame-sennin, Videl, Chi Chi, Bulma, Table, and Grey to Mount Paozu (meanwhile Satan, Fat Buu, Kibito-Shin, and Elder Kaioshin ignore Table and just go on drinking). At Mount Paozu, Goku suggests that they each draw a radish, and the person who draws the longest radish will be the representative. Goten draws out a very long radish, and it seems he will be the one to fight. This makes Vegeta very jealous, and he tells Trunks to pull out an even bigger radish. Pressured by Vegeta, Trunks pulls out a very thing but incredibly long radish, and becomes the representative.

Meanwhile, two round spaceships land on Earth, containing Abo and Kado. Pursuing Table, they come to Satan Hotel, and a panic erupts. Goku and the others soon return, and things clam down. It turns out Abo and Kado are remnants of Freeza’s army, who have taken control of Freeza's planets now that he is gone. Vegeta also knows about them, and says that they were supposed to rival the Ginyu Special-Squad. Table says that the two have become even stronger, and have now acquired so much power that they wouldn’t lose even to Freeza.

Goku loses his enthusiasm when he hears that they’re “only” at Freeza’s level, and decides that it’s OK for Trunks to fight them. With some difficulty, he also gets Vegeta’s permission for Goten to fight as well. At first Abo and Kado underestimate their child opponents, but Goten and Trunks clobber them and knock them into some boulders. Getting serious, Abo and Kado each split into three people, and toy with Goten and Trunks.

Trunks and Goten are completely unable to counterattack now that Abo and Kado have become six people. Vegeta advices them to sense their ki to locate the real Abo and Kado, but the two say that’s easier said than done. Gohan offers to help, but they turn him down. They settle on having Gohan merely tell them where the real Abo and Kado are. With Gohan’s accurate advice, Goten and Trunks drive Abo and Kado to the wall (incidentally, Goten and Trunks haven’t become Super Saiyans even once).

Cornered, Abo and Kado merge to become even stronger, becoming “Merged Aka” (a purple Dodoria?). Put on the defensive by Merged Aka’s attacks, Goten and Trunks try to use their secret weapon, Fusion, but since it’s been so long they fail the first time, and become fat Gotenks. The second time they succeed though, and Gotenks overwhelms Merged Aka, using Yamcha’s Rouga-Fuu-Fuu-Ken, Tenshinhan’s Haikyuuken, and to finish him off they use Satan’s Great Ultra something-or-another attack (the poster forgot the attack name), going Super Saiyan the moment they punch Merged Aka into a lake. It looks like the fight is over, but…

Merged Aka isn’t defeated, and having become enraged, he lets out a super destructive energy wave, firing from both hands and his mouth. It hits Gotenks and collapses the Satan Hotel. Aka next starts shooting energy bullet-type things out like a shotgun, damaging each part of the hotel one after the other (this technique is called the “Wahaha no Ha/Wahaha Wave”).

In order to protect his friends, Piccolo deflects each energy bullet with a Makankosappo. Kuririn uses a Kienzan to save No.18 and Marron as they’re about to be crushed by rubble (No.18 gives a satisfied smile). Yamcha protects Bulma from the falling rubble by repeatedly using the Sokidan, Yajirobe saves some people by slicing some rubble in half, and Kame-sennin protects a beautiful woman from the rubble.

Goku and Vegeta decide to finish off Aka. They argue over which one of them will get to defeat him, but Goku points away and goes “What’s that?!”, causing Vegeta to look away. With Vegeta distracted, Goku takes off for Aka, while Vegeta objects that that was dirty of Goku. Aka fires a Super Wahaha no Ha, and Goku counters with an extra large Kamehameha, then nails Aka with a punch that has all his heart and soul behind it (not the Dragon Fist, though).

As Aka is defeated and the battle is over, Videl tells her father that having his hotel smashed was a punishment from God , but encourages him by saying she’ll help rebuild it. Goku also encourages him, saying it can just be rebuilt, and the party starts again amid the hotel rubble. But Vegeta gets mad when Goku eats his sushi, and eats Goku’s Char Siu in return. Angry, the two finally turn Super Saiyan and fight, as everyone else watches in amazement.

The End.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:55 am

Olivier Hague wrote:Sure, but how many official spellings have you seen for the name of Vegeta's little brother?
One, but that's beside the point. I was trying to show that, basically, the creators don't care about how the characters' names are spelled in English. They just throw out some random letters that look close enough, and even then, that name probably won't be set in stone.

And it's not only the fact that they're inconsistent; they can be downright ridiculous. Gokou, Kylilin, Ghourd, Begeta, Radiz, Yajirove, Lunchi, etc. It reminds me of the fifth chapter of Hellsing, where the character "Alexander Anderson" was called "Arexandraue Andersong" on a newspaper. That just shows that the author, like many Japanese authors, didn't research English names. Why do you think there's an engrish.com? :D

Oh, and speaking of "Lunchi," Toriyama spelled her name "Lunch" on one of the early title pages. So do away with that ridiculous guide book spelling. >_>

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Post by kei17 » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:55 am

Herms wrote:OK, here's the translation of the detailed plot summary for the special.
Oh good job :o

Edit: I read the whole story and the plot was perfectly correct. I'm amazed at your Japanese skill! ..BUT just one word was wrong.
and eats Goku’s cashews in return
It's not cashew. チャーシュー(char siu) is Chinese-style barbecued pork.

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Post by Travis Touchdown » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:44 am

Herms wrote:OK, here's the translation of the detailed plot summary for the special. It's pretty loose at times, because I wanted to just get the idea of what happens in the special across without being too tied to how the person phrased things.

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It has been two years since Majin Buu was defeated. Satan has become a hero for defeating Buu (the poster asks how this can be since everyone but the main character’s memories of Buu have been erased by Shenlong, but during the last chapter or so of DB, Videl or someone says that everyone remembers that Satan saved them, they just don’t remember from what. Though it seems that later reporters to explicitely mention Buu, which would be a plothole). Videl remembers the truth about those events, and seems to be embarrassed about her father. A gigantic hotel is built in commemoration of Satan, and is finally completed. Satan sends for Goku and the others who fought with him, and throws a party. Meanwhile, Goku, Chi Chi, Gohan, and Goten are making their living growing radishes (daikon, or “deekon”, as Nozawa calls them). Videl comes and asks Gohan to bring his family to the party. At first Goku doesn’t want to go, but he decides to when he hears that he will be able to eat rare food there.

Later, many jet fliers set off for the hotel, with Kame-sennin, No.18, Kuririn, etc, and they give Goku and family a lift. Piccolo doesn’t ride one though, but rather flies after them on his own. A group from Capsule Corporation arrives at the hotel first, and when Vegeta and Goku meet they soon get into a fight. But since the party is starting, Goku goes off to the assembly hall. Apart from Goku and family, Vegeta and family, and Kame-sennin’s group, the crowd includes Dende, Popo, Karin, Yajirobe, Chaozu, Oolong, Gyuumao, Kaio, Bubbles, Gregory, Kibito-shin, and Elder Kaioshin.

Despite the fact that there’s supposed to be no coverage of the party, members of the press appear and ask Satan questions about Buu’s defeat. As the Z Warriors are eating, two round spaceships lands on Earth. Piccolo and Gohan are the first to notice, then No.18, and then everyone stops eating and the atmosphere becomes tense.

From the two spaceships emerge a sharp-eyed Saiyan, and a small alien about 60 cm tall. Using his scouter to detect high battle powers, the Saiyan arrives at the party, and when he sees Vegeta he calls him “big brother”. The Z Warriors are all shocked by this sudden event. The Saiyan is named Table, and the other alien is his wife, named Grey. Vegeta says that Table was sent off to a remote planet because he had no talent for battle. It turns out that Table wants them to defeat Abo and Kado, who ravished his planet, and as the two of them have pursued him to Earth, Table begs Vegeta to save him.

But Goku says “Are they strong? I wanna fight them!”, Gohan wants to help as well, Goten and Trunks think it sounds interesting, Kuririn and Chaozu say they want to try as well, and finally even Kame-sennin wants to fight. Table measures the Z Warriors battle powers with his scouter, and says that they’ll be of no help since their battle powers are so low. But Vegeta scolds Table for relying on his scouter, and Goku gathers ki to show his power. The battle power reading on the scouter steadily increases, and it breaks as Goku goes Super Saiyan and then Super Saiyan 2 (with sparks and everything), making Table understand Goku’s power. Since it will be unfair to the weak people if everybody fights, Goku suggests they select a single representative to fight. Tenshinhan and Lunch aren’t present for this, but Kuririn’s daughter Marron is.

Goku teleports Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Chaozu, Kuririn, Kame-sennin, Videl, Chi Chi, Bulma, Table, and Grey to Mount Paozu (meanwhile Satan, Fat Buu, Kibito-Shin, and Elder Kaioshin ignore Table and just go on drinking). At Mount Paozu, Goku suggests that they each draw a radish, and the person who draws the longest radish will be the representative. Goten draws out a very long radish, and it seems he will be the one to fight. This makes Vegeta very jealous, and he tells Trunks to pull out an even bigger radish. Pressured by Vegeta, Trunks pulls out a very thing but incredibly long radish, and becomes the representative.

Meanwhile, two round spaceships land on Earth, containing Abo and Kado. Pursuing Table, they come to Satan Hotel, and a panic erupts. Goku and the others soon return, and things clam down. It turns out Abo and Kado are remnants of Freeza’s army, who have taken control of Freeza's planets now that he is gone. Vegeta also knows about them, and says that they were supposed to rival the Ginyu Special-Squad. Table says that the two have become even stronger, and have now acquired so much power that they wouldn’t lose even to Freeza.

Goku loses his enthusiasm when he hears that they’re “only” at Freeza’s level, and decides that it’s OK for Trunks to fight them. With some difficulty, he also gets Vegeta’s permission for Goten to fight as well. At first Abo and Kado underestimate their child opponents, but Goten and Trunks clobber them and knock them into some boulders. Getting serious, Abo and Kado each split into three people, and toy with Goten and Trunks.

Trunks and Goten are completely unable to counterattack now that Abo and Kado have become six people. Vegeta advices them to sense their ki to locate the real Abo and Kado, but the two say that’s easier said than done. Gohan offers to help, but they turn him down. They settle on having Gohan merely tell them where the real Abo and Kado are. With Gohan’s accurate advice, Goten and Trunks drive Abo and Kado to the wall (incidentally, Goten and Trunks haven’t become Super Saiyans even once).

Cornered, Abo and Kado merge to become even stronger, becoming “Merged Aka” (a purple Dodoria?). Put on the defensive by Merged Aka’s attacks, Goten and Trunks try to use their secret weapon, Fusion, but since it’s been so long they fail the first time, and become fat Gotenks. The second time they succeed though, and Gotenks overwhelms Merged Aka, using Yamcha’s Rouga-Fuu-Fuu-Ken, Tenshinhan’s Haikyuuken, and to finish him off they use Satan’s Great Ultra something-or-another attack (the poster forgot the attack name), going Super Saiyan the moment they punch Merged Aka into a lake. It looks like the fight is over, but…

Merged Aka isn’t defeated, and having become enraged, he lets out a super destructive energy wave, firing from both hands and his mouth. It hits Gotenks and collapses the Satan Hotel. Aka next starts shooting energy bullet-type things out like a shotgun, damaging each part of the hotel one after the other (this technique is called the “Wahaha no Ha/Wahaha Wave”).

In order to protect his friends, Piccolo deflects each energy bullet with a Makankosappo. Kuririn uses a Kienzan to save No.18 and Marron as they’re about to be crushed by rubble (No.18 gives a satisfied smile). Yamcha protects Bulma from the falling rubble by repeatedly using the Sokidan, Yajirobe saves some people by slicing some rubble in half, and Kame-sennin protects a beautiful woman from the rubble.

Goku and Vegeta decide to finish off Aka. They argue over which one of them will get to defeat him, but Goku points away and goes “What’s that?!”, causing Vegeta to look away. With Vegeta distracted, Goku takes off for Aka, while Vegeta objects that that was dirty of Goku. Aka fires a Super Wahaha no Ha, and Goku counters with an extra large Kamehameha, then nails Aka with a punch that has all his heart and soul behind it (not the Dragon Fist, though).

As Aka is defeated and the battle is over, Videl tells her father that having his hotel smashed was a punishment from God , but encourages him by saying she’ll help rebuild it. Goku also encourages him, saying it can just be rebuilt, and the party starts again amid the hotel rubble. But Vegeta gets mad when Goku eats his sushi, and eats Goku’s cashews in return. Angry, the two finally turn Super Saiyan and fight, as everyone else watches in amazement.

The End.


How was Gohan drawn? Did he look like beginning of Buu-arc Gohan or Mystic Gohan?
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Post by Herms » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:07 am

kei17 wrote:Edit: I read the whole story and the plot was perfectly correct. I'm amazed at your Japanese skill! ..BUT just one word was wrong.
and eats Goku’s cashews in return
It's not cashew. チャーシュー(char siu) is Chinese-style barbecued pork.
Ah, thank you! I'll go back and fix that.
Travis Touchdown wrote:How was Gohan drawn? Did he look like beginning of Buu-arc Gohan or Mystic Gohan
I don't know, since I haven't actually seen it the special, but merely translated somebody else's summary.
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Post by NeptuneKai » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:23 am

So how canon are we going to take this "Table" character? Playing Vegeta's rejected brother is a large role, much larger then Freeza's random son popping up in a gag manga. In other words are we going to treat him like Freeza's son or more like Cooler in terms of embracing him into the story line.
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Post by Captain Awesome » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:10 am

Am I the only one that thinks that sounds like a great little special?

I'm a sucker for Freeza era stuff, and for the more lighthearted side of Dragonball, this is the kind of thing I wanted to see, I didn't want another cookie cutter movie villain and another generic movie fight.

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Post by desirecampbell » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:19 am

Captain Awesome wrote:Am I the only one that thinks that sounds like a great little special?

I'm a sucker for Freeza era stuff, and for the more lighthearted side of Dragonball, this is the kind of thing I wanted to see, I didn't want another cookie cutter movie villain and another generic movie fight.
I also think it sounds great. :)

Goku: "Vegeta, over there!"
Vegeta: "What?! Where?"
Goku *flies away*
Vegeta: "Wha- damnit!"

Priceless.

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Post by MagicBox » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:41 am

Count me in for the "this looks awesome" crowd. I seriously laughed multiple times from the summary. It looks funny, clever, and cute as all hell. I am surprised that there isn't more time spent establishing a relationshp between Vegeta and Table, who seems to just disappear, like, a third through the special. What happens to him and Grey?! Do they live on Earth now?

Thanks for the translation, Herms. Great job. :D
Herms wrote:Apart from Goku and family, Vegeta and family, and Kame-sennin’s group, the crowd includes Dende, Popo, Karin, Yajirobe, Chaozu, Oolong, Gyuumao, Kaio, Bubbles, Gregory, Kibito-shin, and Elder Kaioshin.
Even Kaio-sama? Awesome. Him, Bubbles, and Gregory have never been on Earth before. Hopefully this is acknowledged in some way, though I doubt it will be.
Gohan wants to help as well, Goten and Trunks think it sounds interesting, Kuririn and Chaozu say they want to try as well, and finally even Kame-sennin wants to fight.
Wow, way to remember the humans, Toriyama! Nice touch.
Goku teleports Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Chaozu, Kuririn, Kame-sennin, Videl, Chi Chi, Bulma, Table, and Grey to Mount Paozu (meanwhile Satan, Fat Buu, Kibito-Shin, and Elder Kaioshin ignore Table and just go on drinking).
Wait, where's Gohan?

The hell?

EDIT: Oh, right. He gives advice during the fight. He's there. This guy just didn't mention him.
In order to protect his friends, Piccolo deflects each energy bullet with a Makankosappo. Kuririn uses a Kienzan to save No.18 and Marron as they’re about to be crushed by rubble (No.18 gives a satisfied smile). Yamcha protects Bulma from the falling rubble by repeatedly using the Sokidan, Yajirobe saves some people by slicing some rubble in half, and Kame-sennin protects a beautiful woman from the rubble.
This right here?

This single-handedly makes this special better than at least half of the actual movies. It's one thing to acknowledge the non-Saiyans, but to give them time to shine?! Even Yajirobe?! Hell yes. I'm not crazy about making No. 18 a damsel in distress, but it's easy to overlook.

The Goten/Trunks/Gotenks/Avo/Cado/Aka/Goku fight sounds awesome. I still think it was a nice touch to reference Yamcha and Tenshinhan's moves. Very cool to have Chaozu appear too.

Okay, I officially cannot wait anymore. I need to own this. FUNimation needs to license this now. I don't even care if Table is played by Chris Sabat. I just need to see it subbed/dubbed/anything!

Scratch that. Subbed. That's better.
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Post by DNA » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:41 am

It does sound really good =P
I wasn't expecting anything much, either one would be good for me, but it's especially good that it's not another "epic fight for the sake of the universe" movie.

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Post by Captain Awesome » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:49 am

I really I don't understand, what is it that people wanted to see exactly?, to me it sounds like people just wanted to see a rehash of the Majin Vegeta fight with Super Saiya-jin Table thrown in there. :roll:

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Post by MagicBox » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:52 am

Which reminds me, thank goodness Table isn't a Super Saiyan.

That whole thing was getting so damn ridiculous.
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Post by Rocketman » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:01 am

Captain Awesome wrote:I really I don't understand, what is it that people wanted to see exactly?, to me it sounds like people just wanted to see a rehash of the Majin Vegeta fight with Super Saiya-jin Table thrown in there. :roll:
Vegeta tag-teaming with Table to fight the bad guys. None of Goku's family or Trunks fights. Vegeta goes Super only to fight the bad guy fusion. Vegeta and Table kill the bad guy.

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Post by Raki » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:26 am

Captain Awesome wrote:Am I the only one that thinks that sounds like a great little special?

I'm a sucker for Freeza era stuff, and for the more lighthearted side of Dragonball, this is the kind of thing I wanted to see, I didn't want another cookie cutter movie villain and another generic movie fight.
I can't wait to see it too. Good job Herms on the translation.
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Post by snaku » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:30 am

Plot summary sounds awesome, and I'm glad Goku stepped in. Can't wait to see it.

I just don't know if I'll dl a crappy cam, or wait to import the DVD and/or Blu-ray.

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Post by Kid Trunks » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:35 am

My only gripe is that Vegeta doesn't fight, and that Goku predictably cuts in at the end to save the day.

Also, from the sounds of it, base Trunks and Goten beat two guys with power greater than Freeza? Good stuff.

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