Woohoo! More News About The New Dragonball Special!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:58 pm

kaioken12 wrote:Apart from wanting to have Vegeta as his "pet", why should Freezer bother to kill a single space pot (with Goku) or some other Saiyans that were on a mission somewhere?

Bardock's team was wiped out.

kaioken12 · Post by **kaioken12** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:17 pm

Rocketman wrote:
kaioken12 wrote:Apart from wanting to have Vegeta as his "pet", why should Freezer bother to kill a single space pot (with Goku) or some other Saiyans that were on a mission somewhere?
Bardock's team was wiped out.

Yeah, I noticed that too, but I think that only happened because Bardock especially got stronger and stronger at an insane rate - kind of a punishment or something... whatever.
But you're absolutely right with that.

Then again, in any way, you can argue about how much sense it makes that exactly 4 Saiyans survive that onslaught... like always the best idea is to sit back, enjoy the show and don't think too much

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:25 pm

kaioken12 wrote:
Dayspring wrote: -Radditz being behind schedule, so Nappa was sent to finish the job since Vegeta was alone.
-It's discovered that Radditz's planet actually deserved an Elite Saiyan, so Nappa was sent to save Radditz.
-Nappa wasn't an Elite Saiyan at the time of the Bardock special, so when Vegeta didn't need him, he was sent to help a fellow Low Level Saiyan.

In fact, it explains why Freeza didn't have Radditz killed off. He wanted Vegeta as his pet, and Vegeta knew of Nappa's whereabouts. If Nappa was killed off, Freeza would have to explain why to Vegeta. If Radditz was killed off, Nappa would tell Vegeta and Freeza would still have to explain why to Vegeta. Since Radditz and Nappa were so weak (and therefore not threats), it was just easier to let them live and serve Vegeta.
I agree, but I think, Nappa was an elite Saiyan all along, the first two points could be right though (they make sense if nothing else).

As for killing the remaining Saiyans:
Apart from wanting to have Vegeta as his "pet", why should Freezer bother to kill a single space pot (with Goku) or some other Saiyans that were on a mission somewhere?
He was concerned about what MIGHT happen if a whole race of Saiyans gets stronger and stronger - the remaining handful didn't pose a threat to him, they were controllable.

I think Freeza was more worried about the Super Saiyan Legend and that he used their teaming up as a cover story for his troops. Speaking of troops, we see in the special that Freeza had his goons kill off any Saiyan that was off-world at the time of the planet's destruction. The only Saiyan he seemed content with letting stay alive was Vegeta and whoever was with him.

kaioken12 wrote: About the special in general:
I think of it as a "fun special" based loosely on a concept that might have been used, if Toriyama actually had continued DB instead of finishing it with a 10 years time shift.
But this special is just for entertainment, so we shouldn't argue about plot holes in it or continuity.
Table's age for instance doesn't matter then - because if it was a real "sequel" to the manga, I am sure they would have put a little more thought in it, but it's more like a simple "birthday fun special", so we all shouldn't care too much about it ^^
Otherwise we would end up discussing every plot hole in it from the "Buu-wish" to Vegeta's clothing continuity.

It's not so much that we're angry it doesn't take place in continuity, so much as it's one small (yet obvious) oversight that keeps it from being an in-continuity sequel to the manga inspired by Toriyama himself. I think it's safe to say we all view this as the other DBZ movies: a fun special side-story.

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:50 pm

Dayspring wrote:My hang-ups: Tarble's age.

Isn't it Table?

Vegeta+Table=Vegetable?

It's not Ta-ru-bu-ru, it's Ta-bu-ru. ターブル.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:57 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
Dayspring wrote:My hang-ups: Tarble's age.
Isn't it Table?

Vegeta+Table=Vegetable?

It's not Ta-ru-bu-ru, it's Ta-bu-ru. ターブル.

Extended "a" sounds in Japanese are often romanized as "ar", like with Zarbon (za-bon).

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:01 pm

Herms wrote:
KaiserNeko wrote:
Dayspring wrote:My hang-ups: Tarble's age.
Isn't it Table?

Vegeta+Table=Vegetable?

It's not Ta-ru-bu-ru, it's Ta-bu-ru. ターブル.
Extended "a" sounds in Japanese are often romanized as "ar", like with Zarbon (za-bon).

True, but at that point, wouldn't the name-pun break down?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:07 pm

Is the elongated 'taa' sound what one would normally use to romanize that part of vegetable? If so, his name is best written as 'Table'; if not, his name should reflect that change.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:11 pm

No, it's bejitaburu in Japanese. But nobody writes Bejiita as "Vegeeta."

Post by **Herms** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:18 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:No, it's bejitaburu in Japanese. But nobody writes Bejiita as "Vegeeta."

And nobody writes zaabon as "Zabon".

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:23 pm

Due to both FUNimation and VIZ calling him that, no doubt.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:44 pm

Were people not allowed to bring cameras inside? Is that why there haven't been any more screenshots or any videoclips yet?

Sorry, I don't mean to sound impatient, but I'm just curious. ^^;

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:59 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
Herms wrote:Extended "a" sounds in Japanese are often romanized as "ar", like with Zarbon (za-bon).
True, but at that point, wouldn't the name-pun break down?

About as much as the "Zarbon" one did. And yet the world keeps spinning. ^^

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:02 pm

It's possible. I've been patted down and metal-detectored prior to a sneak preview of a movie before. They wouldn't even allow cell phones in the theatre. Seems unlikely that they'd be able to enforce such rules for a festival though.

But when I think about it, aren't there only one or two sources for the other live-screening-only DB videos? Maybe they're very strict about recording devices. At least there are several more screenings coming up.

(Checks this forum 10 times a day waiting for a video)

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:06 pm

About Tahbul being so young - maybe he somehow was sent forward in time from back when Freeza hadn't yet destroyed Planet Vegeta...

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:21 pm

SSJ Helldog wrote:It's possible. I've been patted down and metal-detectored prior to a sneak preview of a movie before. They wouldn't even allow cell phones in the theatre. Seems unlikely that they'd be able to enforce such rules for a festival though.

But when I think about it, aren't there only one or two sources for the other live-screening-only DB videos? Maybe they're very strict about recording devices. At least there are several more screenings coming up.

(Checks this forum 10 times a day waiting for a video)

I've been addictively checking this thread multiple times for the past two days hoping to see screenshots and/or a link to a videoclip. ^^;

You see, I figure, if there are videoclips of the DB/OP and DB/OP/Kochikame specials online, then logically wouldn't this special have clips as well?

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:22 pm

I doubt time travel is involved, though I don't really know. But it appears that Table is just a shorty. But if he is a kid, maybe its something to do with the planet he's been living on, keeping him young or something. He is after all married to some little weirdo looking alien, who knows what kind of planet it is.

SSJ Helldog · Post by **SSJ Helldog** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:57 pm

Chuquita wrote:You see, I figure, if there are videoclips of the DB/OP and DB/OP/Kochikame specials online, then logically wouldn't this special have clips as well?

Logically, but how many people visited those specials when they were (still are?) playing, and we have one or two sources for them? This might have to be shown a few times before someone posts it online.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:05 pm

SSJ Helldog wrote:
Chuquita wrote:You see, I figure, if there are videoclips of the DB/OP and DB/OP/Kochikame specials online, then logically wouldn't this special have clips as well?

Logically, but how many people visited those specials when they were (still are?) playing, and we have one or two sources for them? This might have to be shown a few times before someone posts it online.

Understandable.

I guess I'll just have to be patient and wait a few more weeks then. ^^;
*And hope that Sera draws some fanart of the special so I can kinda-sorta get a better picture of what it looks like.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:21 am

Which look is Krillian sporting in the special? Hair or bald?

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:47 pm

~continuity~

Ta(r)ble's age: Saiyans only seem to get tall and look older at puberty (see Goku beng the same up until his growth splert at Kami's). So I'mjust assuming that Table was castrated, and thus retained his youthful appearance. Perhaps there's some messed up backstory involving this and his wife...
Goku's punch: wasn't that described as ... special, somehow (but not dragonfist)? With all his heart and soul, or something?
(Oh, jees. Now I'm imagining a strength debate over Aka. In the same special where they tried to hit home one last time that power levels are meaningless. XD ).

Umm... Buu... ur... yeah... I can tollerate that one. I guess.

What else was there? Hmm...

~else~

... Waaaaaah! This story fills me with glee! Goten-kun ga kakoi~i! </fangirl-ness... ur... from a boy>.
Well, Tenshinhan wasn't particularly social, I guess. Neither was Yajirobe, really... but hey, free food seems like it'd tempt him.

.
... Not only are the supreme rulers of the universe hanging out drinking, but hanging out with who was their worst enemy only two years prior (and containing the rimnents of some manner of colleagues). Somehow that feels ... fitting on several different levels.