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Soba or Shu?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:33 am

So, in the Emperor Pilaf Saga, one of Pilaf's henchmen is the dog called Soba. Or Shu?

Here's what I found from Dragon Ball Wiki on "Shu"'s page:

Originally known as Soba in the manga, but was renamed due to match the anime name given after Akira Toriyama forgot he had named him previously.

Should we just simply call him Soba then?
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by The Time Traveller » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:00 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Should we just simply call him Soba then?
Well, if he's renamed Shu then... no.
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by Olivier Hague » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:37 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Here's what I found from Dragon Ball Wiki on "Shu"'s page:

Originally known as Soba in the manga, but was renamed due to match the anime name given after Akira Toriyama forgot he had named him previously.
"Due to match", huh?
And was he really named Shû by the TV series?

Anyway, the "shûmai" pun doesn't work if you call him "Soba". So it's a bit of a no-brainer.
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by Herms » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:10 am

Toriyama said in the DB Forever name pun guide that "'Soba' was probably just a name that I thoughtlessly gave him when I thought I hadn’t already given him one".
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by The Time Traveller » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:35 am

Herms wrote:You just gotta love the DragonBall Wikia.
Which reminds me, I wanted to show you this.
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by Dayspring » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:59 am

The Time Traveller wrote:
Herms wrote:You just gotta love the DragonBall Wikia.
Which reminds me, I wanted to show you this.
It gets better (well, figuratively): this clusterfuck immediately follows the real explanation for this "coincidence." :roll:
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Post by Herms » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:34 am

Dayspring wrote: It gets better (well, figuratively): this clusterfuck immediately follows the real explanation for this "coincidence." :roll:
I love it: "Ginyu's resemblance to Sailor Moon may have been enhanced when he switched bodies with Bulma in the anime".
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by Dayspring » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:41 am

Herms wrote:
Dayspring wrote: It gets better (well, figuratively): this clusterfuck immediately follows the real explanation for this "coincidence." :roll:
I love it: "Ginyu's resemblance to Sailor Moon may have been enhanced when he switched bodies with Bulma in the anime".
Clearly switching bodies with Bulma actually enhanced Ginyu's resemblance to Sailor Mercury. :P
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Post by The Time Traveller » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:05 am

Dragon Ball Wiki - Goku wrote:Journey to the West tells the story of a monkey king named Sun Wukong, who searches for the seven dragon pearls which are guarded by a dragon in the West.
....Wah? I've never heard of that...
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Post by Herms » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:51 am

The Time Traveller wrote:
Dragon Ball Wiki - Goku wrote:Journey to the West tells the story of a monkey king named Sun Wukong, who searches for the seven dragon pearls which are guarded by a dragon in the West.
....Wah? I've never heard of that...
Probably because it's complete nonsense.

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Post by Dayspring » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:37 am

Herms wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:
Dragon Ball Wiki - Goku wrote:Journey to the West tells the story of a monkey king named Sun Wukong, who searches for the seven dragon pearls which are guarded by a dragon in the West.
....Wah? I've never heard of that...
Probably because it's complete nonsense.

DB Wikia: about as reliable as drawing random letters out of a scrabble bag.
So that's where the tite for DBAF came from!
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Post by Rod » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:22 am

We really have to get started on our version.

No real brainier there, Shu is his name because of the pun, as pointed out before
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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:29 am

Rod wrote:We really have to get started on our version.
I'm thinking the same thing as I'm bashing my head up against the wall.

I'll get right on that... soon enough...
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Post by The Tori-bot » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:39 am

Returning to the original questions, in one of the Toriyama Ask Me Anything! Corners in the tankobon, Toriyama says that he had forgotten that he had forgotten that he had already named him "Soba", so he told Toei to call him "Shu". Viz keeps it as "Soba" to "stay true to Toriyama's original intentions".

Oh, that silly Toriyama...
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Post by Terez » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:54 am

VegettoEX wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:29 am
Rod wrote:We really have to get started on our version.
I'm thinking the same thing as I'm bashing my head up against the wall.

I'll get right on that... soon enough...
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Re: Soba or Shu?

Post by VegettoEX » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:16 pm

Oh my god did you just ten-year-necropost... :crazy:

(On the list of "best ways to tease wiki projects", "ten-year necropost" is actually a pretty good one.)
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