How many wishes can Shenron grant?

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:17 pm

After Dende makes new Dragon Balls based on the original Shenron, the Viz manga jumps back and forth between him being able to grant 2 and 3 wishes. Which is it, 2 or 3?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:26 pm

It's three wishes, even says so in the Daizenshuu.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:15 pm

Like SSj_Rambo said, it is in the daizenshuu. More specifically, it's in "Daizenshuu 4: World Guide", under the "What are the Dragonballs?" section. Within the section there's a part called "The History of Shenron", and it lists the following:

Killed by Piccolo Daimao
Revived by Kami-sama
Wiped out through the fusion of Piccolo and Kami-sama
Dende becomes the god of Earth, and he is revived again
The number of wishes he can grant is raised to three

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:11 am

However, when a wish is made to revive a large number of people, it effectively counts for two wishes, and so only a total of two wishes can be made, rather than three. This is first mentioned in the Boo arc, by Piccolo. In the Cell arc, Dende only says that making the dragonballs able to revive large numbers of people would limit it to two wishes. It seems that the idea that three wishes can still be used as long as none of them are to revive large numbers of people was a sort of retcon introduced in the Boo arc.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:49 am

I always thought that Dende just upgraded them in the seven years he had to tinker with 'em.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:23 am

The Tori-bot wrote:I always thought that Dende just upgraded them in the seven years he had to tinker with 'em. :?

Nothing is said to suggest that though. And since they do later note that Muuri had upgraded the Namekian dragonballs since they were last seen, it'd be odd for Piccolo to not say that the "3 or 2" wish system for the Earth dragonballs was a new thing if Toriyama intended it to be.