Kai Stopping at Freeza? Since When?

[Innagadadavida]

I must apologize if this question has been asked, or if the answer is common knowledge. But what is the reason people seem to be so sure that Dragon Ball Kai will stop broadcasting or production before the Android arc of DBZ? I've seen this mentioned in passing a few times and I want to know what the source of this thought is. Is there any official reason to believe Dragon Ball Kai will end soon? Doesn't make much sense to me, personally.

[DemonRin]

I must apologize if this question has been asked, or if the answer is common knowledge. But what is the reason people seem to be so sure that Dragon Ball Kai will stop broadcasting or production before the Android arc of DBZ? I've seen this mentioned in passing a few times and I want to know what the source of this thought is. Is there any official reason to believe Dragon Ball Kai will end soon? Doesn't make much sense to me, personally.

Nope! People simply assume it for some reason, possibly because of the fact that Up to the Freeza arc is all that's shown in the opening and ending themes.

It would make absolutely no sense if they did this, so I don't know why its so popular for people to think this way. The show still gets REALLY good ratings and the whole "Dream 9" thing is a Godsend from an advertising perspective.
It's probably staying till the end of Boo.

[coola]

Well,Akira Toriyama plan was to end Dragon Ball at Freeza {Dont know where this rumor come from} so maybe that`s the meaning of "Akira Toriyama cut" tagline?

[VegettoEX]

Well,Akira Toriyama plan was to end Dragon Ball at Freeza {Dont know where this rumor come from} so maybe that`s the meaning of "Akira Toriyama cut" tagline?

We've been over this before in various threads, and is something I've been meaning to add to the "Rumor Guide" forever. There is no evidence to support this. Toriyama never said anything along those lines, no production materials hint at it, no references ever point to a legitimate source, etc. There's nothing ever said about it. It's all wild fan speculation.

[MCDaveG]

By the rule: ''This is where Dragon Ball was supposed to end'' idiotic rumor doesn't even make a slightly sense. Because originally, Toriyama planned that Dragon Ball will be one-shot coming from the beginning till the end of what we call today Pilaf arc. So by this logic, Dragon Ball Kai shouldn't be even created.
The ''definitive'' Dragon Ball was released as full colored manga online on Jump web.

Also I doubt that Toriyama haven't created Trunks or possible storyline for Androids arc in the time, when he was drawing last chapters of Goku vs Freeza battle.

[Hujio]

Well,Akira Toriyama plan was to end Dragon Ball at Freeza {Dont know where this rumor come from} so maybe that`s the meaning of "Akira Toriyama cut" tagline?

I swear, this has to be by-and-far the biggest baseless rumor ever in the history of DragonBall. It is quoted as gospel on every forum across the internet, I'm sure in multiple languages. As Mike said, it's all wild fan speculation. And thanks to Kai, it is brought up more and more on these here forums more than I care it to be.

[coola]

I'm sorry,i didn`t mean to cause any trouble

[Hujio]

I'm sorry,i didn`t mean to cause any trouble

Oh, we're by no means mad at you about it, just the whole situation in general. It just seems to be brought up all the time now that Kai is approaching the end of the Freeza arc, and it's a tad annoying most of the time. Especially when people are like, "I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend of Toriyama that he wanted to end it here", or "I read it somewhere, at some point, but I don't remember where, that he wanted to end it here". People will even say it's in the Daizenshuu, which it is not.

The fact is, no one knows where this all started, but it has spread like wild fire. As long as you know now that it's just a false rumor, then it's all good.

[TripleRach]

I must apologize if this question has been asked, or if the answer is common knowledge. But what is the reason people seem to be so sure that Dragon Ball Kai will stop broadcasting or production before the Android arc of DBZ? I've seen this mentioned in passing a few times and I want to know what the source of this thought is. Is there any official reason to believe Dragon Ball Kai will end soon? Doesn't make much sense to me, personally.

It kind of has been asked a lot, especially in the past few days for some reason. I just explained one of the big reasons in this thread, which is that Toei's shop lists the series as being only 50 episodes. But I wouldn't treat it as anything more than a possibility, or maybe just out of date info, because there haven't been any other legitimate hints of Kai ending at 50, as far as I can tell.

[Rocketman]

I swear, this has to be by-and-far the biggest baseless rumor ever in the history of DragonBall. It is quoted as gospel on every forum across the internet, I'm sure in multiple languages. As Mike said, it's all wild fan speculation. And thanks to Kai, it is brought up more and more on these here forums more than I care it to be.

It's because even the uninitiated can see the glaring story flaws and outright character stupidity that takes over the series after Goku kills Freeza doesn't kill Freeza for...some reason.

[DemonRin]

I swear, this has to be by-and-far the biggest baseless rumor ever in the history of DragonBall. It is quoted as gospel on every forum across the internet, I'm sure in multiple languages. As Mike said, it's all wild fan speculation. And thanks to Kai, it is brought up more and more on these here forums more than I care it to be.

It's because even the uninitiated can see the glaring story flaws and outright character stupidity that takes over the series after Goku kills Freeza doesn't kill Freeza for...some reason.

Yeah, as much as I love those arcs... I mean, wasn't the Cyborg/Cell Arc pretty much driven by bad decisions from Vegeta... like... the whole way through?...
They thought about finding the DragonBalls and asking Shen Long where Gero's lab was to destroy it... Vegeta said no... Vegeta was in a position to kill the main bad guy of the arc like... SEVERAL times, and he just... Uugh, he LET CELL BECOME PERFECT!!...

[Xyex]

It's because even the uninitiated can see the glaring story flaws and outright character stupidity that takes over the series after Goku kills Freeza doesn't kill Freeza for...some reason.

I'd say a large part of it is how slapped together the 'happy ending' after Freeza is. Guru being revived by the wish to revive those killed by Freeza because he died of a 'broken heart' over what Freeza did to his people? The hell? Then you have Goku and Freeza surviving Namek at all after it explodes.

[Adamant]

Guru being revived by the wish to revive those killed by Freeza because he died of a 'broken heart' over what Freeza did to his people? The hell?

Eh, let's say some 90-year old guy is dying in his bed at a hospital, with his entire family gathered around him, and some crazy midget suddenly kicks down the door and guns down everyone in the room except the old man. The man then dies shortly after. Is it really that hard to buy that he might've lasted 10 minutes longer if he hadn't just experienced what he did?

[Herms]

The fact of the matter is that just because you think a story arc is stupid isn't evidence that the author didn't plan on writing it.

[Xyex]

Eh, let's say some 90-year old guy is dying in his bed at a hospital, with his entire family gathered around him, and some crazy midget suddenly kicks down the door and guns down everyone in the room except the old man. The man then dies shortly after. Is it really that hard to buy that he might've lasted 10 minutes longer if he hadn't just experienced what he did?

No, but the Dragons can't revive deaths from natural causes and grief causing heart failure is still heart failure. Otherwise Goku could have just been revived after the heart virus killed him because he was killed by some other thing and not a natural cause.

The fact of the matter is that just because you think a story arc is stupid isn't evidence that the author didn't plan on writing it.

The Guru, thing, though isn't anything about being stupid so much as it is "Oh, crap, um... Shenron can't do everything needed to undo all of this so I can keep going so.... uh, I know, I'll have Guru come back! No... wait, he can't... he died of old age.... Oh, wait, I can make it that Freeza killed him with grief, and King Kai will just assume this is so, and bet everything on it, and be right, and then everything will be roses and rainbows again!"

I mean, I know Toriyama made it up as he went along but the whole thing with Guru coming back is the most contrived and deus ex machina moment in the entire series.

[yunzabit]

No, but the Dragons can't revive deaths from natural causes and grief causing heart failure is still heart failure. Otherwise Goku could have just been revived after the heart virus killed him because he was killed by some other thing and not a natural cause.

Guru's revival was before the heart virus killing Goku so I argue that Toriyama's excuse for Goku's death is bull instead of the other way around.

I think that people should be able to accept any piece of Dragonball as canon as long as it agrees with them and their understanding. For example, I have mentioned on this board before that post-Freeza arc is unimportant to me, but for someone to prophecize their interpretation as law is not only ignorant but should also be grounds for banning.

[DemonRin]

You know... They got Dende to come to Earth and take over as God of Earth AFTER God and Piccolo fused... so, if a Namekian child that young could just go "Hey Guys, I can make Dragon Balls!" why was The Namekian Elder the only one who could do it during the Namek Arc?...
Seriously, if Toriyama wanted, he could have pulled the same stunt he did with Dende. Just had someone else be like "Uuh, we've been training to be replacement elders in case the current elder dies, so hi, we can make Dragon Balls".

But trying to analyze a Shounen Manga plot is kinda pointless. Wild plot twists like this are a staple of the genre. In Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, before this part of the DB Manga, Joseph plunged into a volcano, they had a funeral for him with a grave, and he came back. Then Joseph died AGAIN Later, and Jotaro was able to save him with a quick, last minute blood transfusion.

Things like that just come with the Genre.

[B]

I think that people should be able to accept any piece of Dragonball as canon as long as it agrees with them and their understanding. For example, I have mentioned on this board before that post-Freeza arc is unimportant to me, but for someone to prophecize their interpretation as law is not only ignorant but should also be grounds for banning.

Not to sound rude, but what good does this do when we come here to discuss DB? A "personal" canon sounds nice in theory, but when it doesn't apply to anyone else besides you, there's not much to say. Sure... you could just not participate in such discussions, but still.

[Ducard]

I must apologize if this question has been asked, or if the answer is common knowledge. But what is the reason people seem to be so sure that Dragon Ball Kai will stop broadcasting or production before the Android arc of DBZ?

Part of it has to do with rumors of Digimon taking over the time slot soon, IIRC... but again, they're only rumors.

Personally I would love for Kai to animate an alternate ending where Goku dies on Namek, but it's just not very likely to happen.

[Xyex]

Personally I would love for Kai to animate an alternate ending where Goku dies on Namek, but it's just not very likely to happen.

Now here's an interesting question. Assuming Kai does go all the way to the end of Z.... what ending will we get? Would Toei go so far as to reanimate the last few moments of Z to match with the new manga ending?