Is this real?

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Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:37 am

Is this some kind of update?New manga edition?

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Herms » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:42 am

...What? There's absolutely nothing different than normal about that manga page that I can see.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:44 am

Herms wrote:...What? There's absolutely nothing different than normal about that manga page that I can see.
Really?I didn't know that they were wearing weighted clothing in the original page.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Michsi » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:48 am

What is this? Tenshinhan looks like he's been re-drawn.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:51 am

Michsi wrote:What is this? Tenshinhan looks like he's been re-drawn.
Yeah,it seems they are using weighted clothing in this version except Chaozu.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:08 pm

Titan wrote:
Michsi wrote:What is this? Tenshinhan looks like he's been re-drawn.
Yeah,it seems they are using weighted clothing in this version except Chaozu.
And Tenshinhan looks really...weird. :?
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:13 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Titan wrote:
Michsi wrote:What is this? Tenshinhan looks like he's been re-drawn.
Yeah,it seems they are using weighted clothing in this version except Chaozu.
And Tenshinhan looks really...weird. :?
How so? :?: :?: :roll: At least in this version he has the third eye and his body doesn't look... well really weird,ie,poorly designed.
I thought Toei tried to correct this new version.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:15 pm

Titan wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:And Tenshinhan looks really...weird. :?
How so?At least in this version he has the third eye and his body doesn't look... well really weird.
I don't know what it is. His head and the outline of his body...just looks weird to me. Like bad fan-art.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Herms » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:17 pm

Titan wrote:Really?I didn't know that they were wearing weighted clothing in the original page.
Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, that's different than the original. Maybe it's from some later edition of the kanzenban, but that seems like a pretty easy thing to fake.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:20 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Titan wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:And Tenshinhan looks really...weird. :?
How so?At least in this version he has the third eye and his body doesn't look... well really weird.
I don't know what it is. His head and the outline of his body...just looks weird to me. Like bad fan-art.
If this is bad art, i think you never saw the original.Tenshinhan looks horrible in the original panel!
Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, that's different than the original. Maybe it's from some later edition of the kanzenban, but that seems like a pretty easy thing to fake.
Probably it is some later edition of the kanzenban,cos they fixed the absence of the third eye and they also added the weights,after all they were supposed to train with weights.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:25 pm

Titan wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:I don't know what it is. His head and the outline of his body...just looks weird to me. Like bad fan-art.
If this is bad art, i think you never saw the original.Tenshinhan looks horrible in the original panel!
I didn't think Tenshinhan looked that bad in the original. I dunno, maybe it's just that this one looks different edited.
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Herms wrote:Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, that's different than the original. Maybe it's from some later edition of the kanzenban, but that seems like a pretty easy thing to fake.
probably it is some later edition of the kanzenban,cos they fixed the absence of the third eye and they also added the weights,after all they were supposed to train with weights.
I always thought that God just added weights after a certain point. I don't think when Goku trained with God, he immediately started wearing weights. Goku and Kuririn certainly didn't do it with Kame-sennin. Kame-sennin only made them train with weights after he couldn't teach them anything new, so once they'd gotten strong enough, he just made them do the same thing, only with weights.

But as Herms said, it seems like a pretty easy thing to fake. I think it's an edit.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Michsi » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:37 pm

Titan wrote: If this is bad art, i think you never saw the original.Tenshinhan looks horrible in the original panel!.

I'm looking at the original panel right now and I don't see what's so horrible about it. Sure back then Toriyama didn't have such a good grasp of human anatomy but this looks just as bad. Arms way too short, torso way to buff and the face does look strange to me.

Yeah I'm leaning towards fan work.

Probably it is some later edition of the kanzenban,cos they fixed the absence of the third eye and they also added the weights,after all they were supposed to train with weights.
I did read somewhere that Toriyama at some point was working on new edition of the manga "to polish it" but I think he mentioned that he wasn't redrawing scenes.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Herms » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:39 pm

Hmmm...well, the Japanese Wikipedia page for DragonBall doesn't mention anything like this in their list of kanzenban changes. It's possible that they missed it or it's a newer change that the page hasn't been updated to include yet, but this does incline me more towards it being some fan edit.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:44 pm

Arms way too short, torso way to buff and the face does look strange to me.
The arms look fine to me considering his position,but well in that case the arms are too short in both versions.The face looks modern to me like in that dvd cover between Ten and yamcha.
Now the arms below look horrible.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Michsi » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:44 pm

Herms wrote:Hmmm...well, the Japanese Wikipedia page for DragonBall doesn't mention anything like this in their list of kanzenban changes. It's possible that they missed it or it's a newer change that the page hasn't been updated to include yet, but this does incline me more towards it being some fan edit.
It was in an interview I read ages ago but don't take my word for it, I might misremember it.
Still, it doesn't even look like Toriyama's new style.
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Arms way too short, torso way to buff and the face does look strange to me.
The arms look fine to me considering his position,but well in that case the arms are too short in both versions.The face looks modern to me like in that dvd cover between Ten and yamcha.
No, the arm is too short and it has nothing to do with the position. I did say it looks just as bad so I obviously meant both versions.

The face looks closer to newer art but it still looks bad IMO. You get a better sense of him looking in the others direction in the old one.
Titan wrote: Now the arms below look horrible.
http://img696.imageshack.us/i/booten2.jpg/
Yup, that's bad....

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:57 pm

No, the arm is too short and it has nothing to do with the position. I did say it looks just as bad so I obviously meant both versions.

The face looks closer to newer art but it still looks bad IMO.
IMO i still think the new version looks way better,but hey i'm not a pro.
His body looks like in a bodybuilding contest, therefore his arms look fine IMO.
You get a better sense of him looking in the others direction in the old one.
IMO They seem the same,however in the new version at least Toei added the third eye.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Michsi » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:10 pm

Titan wrote: IMO i still think the new version looks way better,but hey i'm not a pro.
His body looks like in a bodybuilding contest, therefore his arms look fine IMO.
A normal human arm is supposed to reach past your hip and it doesn't it this case.
I'm not a pro either but I am aiming to be. I pay a lot of attention to anatomy.
IMO They seem the same,however in the new version at least Toei added the third eye.
You keep mentioning Toei. They had nothing to do with the manga as far as I know.

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:12 pm

Michsi wrote:
Titan wrote: IMO i still think the new version looks way better,but hey i'm not a pro.
His body looks like in a bodybuilding contest, therefore his arms look fine IMO.
A normal human arm is supposed to reach past your hip and it doesn't it this case.
I'm not a pro either but I am aiming to be. I pay a lot of attention to anatomy.
IMO They seem the same,however in the new version at least Toei added the third eye.
You keep mentioning Toei. They had nothing to do with the manga as far as I know.
lol I meant Shonen Jump. :lol:

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Re: Is this real?

Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:25 pm

Michsi wrote:I did read somewhere that Toriyama at some point was working on new edition of the manga "to polish it" but I think he mentioned that he wasn't redrawing scenes.
Yeah, he said that back in issue #1 of the US Shonen Jump (2003). He was talking about the Kanzenban, which were new at the time.
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Re: Is this real?

Post by Titan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:47 pm

I'm not a pro either but I am aiming to be.
Ok,maybe you should offer your help to the dbz multiverse project.

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