DBZ Film Still On?

[omae no kaasan]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/667/667680p1.html

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Duo]

I don't know...seems like this "Live-Action Movie" is going to join the ranks of "Dragonball AF" when all is said and done.

[Dayspring]

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/667/667680p1.html

Curiouser and curiouser.

I say no. Their source hasn't had any info to give them since 2004. That was a stupid reply on their part to say yes.

[DBW]

They're obviously just waiting for that porn-star Chichi to finish with her pregnancy...

[Hao_Kaiser]

They're obviously just waiting for that porn-star Chichi to finish with her pregnancy...

I don't know why I find that funny, but you've made my day.

I hate IGN, it takes forever to load on my dial-up connection.

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One thing: Why do they need to write a script? It's already been re-written some for the dub, why re-write a re-write of the original?

[desirecampbell]

One thing: Why do they need to write a script? It's already been re-written some for the dub, why re-write a re-write of the original?

Because just using the original story is "uncool". Case(s) in point:

Spiderman
Original story: Peter meets Mary Jane through his aunt. MJ doesn'r find out about his secret identity until after they're married. Peter cannot create spider silk within his own body, but leans how to synthesize it and creates mechanical 'web-shooters'.
Norman Osbourne is exposed to a toxic gass that gives him super-human strength and a split personality. He wears a rubber mask and uses his cororation to create mechanical flying devices to become the Green Goblin.
Movie: She not only goes to his high school, but livesnext door to him - and apparently has for years. She finds out he's Spiderman real quick. Peter shoots webs straight out of his wrists.
Norman Osbourne creates a mechanical suit that looks like a goblin for the US Army, it gives the user great strngth. He is exposed to toxic gas that gives him a split personality, takes the suit becomes the Green Goblin (apparently the army doesn't recognise the goblin suit).

Punisher
Original story: wife and son killed by single assassian, in park. Son's kite smeared with blood, blood forms image of skull.
Movie:Entire family killed by dozens of armed men. Son gave him a t-shirt the day before with a skull on it.

X-men
Original story: Rouge's father is an abusive, alcoholic, mutant-hater. Kicks her out of the house when he finds out she's a mutant. Joins a band of mutant villians (the leader is the shape shifting Mistique) where she steals the strength and flight powers of Ms. Marvel. Eventually leaves and joins the X-men.
Wolverinbe and Sabertooth are old 'buddies' from Weapon-X. They should know each other very, very well.
Mistique is Naightrcawler's mother.
Magneto is old, but buff. He can go toe-to-toe with Wolverine using only his physical strength.
Movie: Rouge runs away from her white picket fence (it literally has a white picket fence), two-parent, supportive home. Runs off to Canada (that's like 2600 km) and meets up with a much older Wolverine.
Wolverine and Sabertooth don't know who each other are.
Mistique doesn't know who Nightcrawler is.
Magneto is frail and nearly crippled.

Fantasic Four
Original story: Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Girl are married.
Movie: The Invisible Girl is Dr. Doom's girlfriend.

The Hulk
Original story: Bruce Banner gets a big dose of Gamma radiation durring a missle test. He now turns green and big when he gets mad.
Movie: Bruce's father experimented on him as a child. Bruce endured countless radiation treatments, this somehow led to him turning into the Hulk after he got dosed in Gamma rays on the test feild.


I could go on, but this just makes me more angry. The point is, their going to screw up DragonBall real bad. Real bad.

[Domon]

Changes are necessary to fit the different meduims. Going from animation to live-action(or static to live-action, as the case may be) isn't as cut and dry as some of you seem to think(to say nothing of the need for scripts to get er... anything done) . What else are they suppose to do? Cut-and-paste the manga onto a storyboard?

[desirecampbell]

Changes are necessary to fit the different meduims. Going from animation to live-action(or static to live-action, as the case may be) isn't as cut and dry as some of you seem to think(to say nothing of the need for scripts to get er... anything done) .

Going from one medium to another is difficult, but you shouldn't have to change the story so much. How did the change in 'the Punisher' help? Did it make it easier ot shoot? No, a single assassian killing two people would be much easier thean a long, drawn out scene with dozens of people, explosions, machine guns, and high a speed chase. Did changing the skull origin from a bloody kite to a t-shirt make the story better? No, the kite would be much more significant than some t-shirt.
Some changes do make the movies easier and help condense the major points of the stry into a single film (like Mary Jane living next door to Peter Parker) but is that justified? Should we change Goku's training under King Kai to 'he just gets stronger' because it's be easier to put on film than a talking catfish?

What else are they suppose to do? Cut-and-paste the manga onto a storyboard?

Yes.

[Domon]

Going from one medium to another is difficult, but you shouldn't have to change the story so much. How did the change in 'the Punisher' help? Did it make it easier ot shoot? No, a single assassian killing two people would be much easier thean a long, drawn out scene with dozens of people, explosions, machine guns, and high a speed chase.

Quite franky; it sounds like you've answered your own question here. Having explosions and high-speed chases are visually pleasing and better for an action movie than the alternative (it may not be "correct" for the "official" story, but for a self-contained two-hour movie, it's fine).

Some changes do make the movies easier and help condense the major points of the stry into a single film (like Mary Jane living next door to Peter Parker) but is that justified?

Actually, yes it is. There are many factors one has to consider. I.E.; casting issues, budget limitation(yes, even in big-budget movies), time available for shooting and post-production, the need to tell a self-contained story in two-something hours, etc etc.

What else are they suppose to do? Cut-and-paste the manga onto a storyboard?

Yes.

In that case (and I mean this kindly), it's good you're not a filmmaker. Anyone trying to make a film like that would be considered daft and not survive in the industry. A script is needed not only as an easy document to rewrite and revise, but also for the rest of the production crew to use (copy for the cast to study, location shooting possibilty, cost estimate, shooting schedule, , etc). You simply cannot use a comic book for all of those things.

[desirecampbell]

Quite franky; it sounds like you've answered your own question here. Having explosions and high-speed chases are visually pleasing and better for an action movie than the alternative (it may not be "correct" for the "official" story, but for a self-contained two-hour movie, it's fine)

Why is it 'fine'? It changes the story in such a way that it makes it harder to film and further from the original story.

Actually, yes it is. There are many factors one has to consider. I.E.; casting issues, budget limitation(yes, even in big-budget movies), time available for shooting and post-production, the need to tell a self-contained story in two-something hours, etc etc.

Just because they don't have the money to do it, doesn't mean they're justified in changing the story. They may feel justified because they cannot afford to film the actual sequence but that doesn't mean that they, in fact, are.

n that case (and I mean this kindly), it's good you're not a filmmaker. Anyone trying to make a film like that would be considered daft and not survive in the industry. A script is needed not only as an easy document to rewrite and revise, but also for the rest of the production crew to use (copy for the cast to study, location shooting possibilty, cost estimate, shooting schedule, , etc). You simply cannot use a comic book for all of those things.

I never said doing it right would be easy, or cheap, or quick. Art should not be constrained by those factors. If they are more concerned with the money being spent and the money they're going to make a "product" rather than "art".
The only reason you've given for the justification of these changes boils down to:

Big action sequence instead of slow dramatic sequence = larger audience appeal = more money.
Cutting out tons of character development = less time to make movie = more money.

But that doesn't justify it. It just explains it. Making money isn't a bad thing, but if you want to make a movie about an ex-CIA op turned vigilante , whose whole family is brutally murdered for revenge, then make it - but don't call him the Punisher: because he's not.

[Domon]

Why is it 'fine'? It changes the story in such a way that it makes it harder to film and further from the original story.

Correction: It changes the story in such a way that more eye-candy and bangs are given. Now, whenever it actually makes for a good story in it's own rights (i.e.; not compared to the original work) is another debate entirely.

Just because they don't have the money to do it, doesn't mean they're justified in changing the story. They may feel justified because they cannot afford to film the actual sequence but that doesn't mean that they, in fact, are.

This is rather circular reasoning. Everything boils down to money, and if they don't have it, either they're not going to do it, or some changes have to be made to do it.

Also, if you don't care much for changes made from one medium to another, then er, don't watch such films. Every film based upon a pre-existing story has some changes made to it (for good or ill), and the Punisher or the supposed DBZ movie(or anime, for that matter ) are no different. Perhaps they shouldn't have made The Wizard of Oz back in 1939. How dare they use a 16-year old to play Dorothy! The Scarecrow should have a painted face! They should've used a real lion! The slippers should've remained silver! Glinda is the good witch of the South, dammit!

But frankly, that's just the way moviemaking works.

I never said doing it right would be easy, or cheap, or quick. Art should not be constrained by those factors.

Oh, but it is! Artists constantly talk about the restraints placed upon their crafts all the time.

If they are more concerned with the money being spent and the money they're going to make a "product" rather than "art".

Hollywood movies ARE products.

The only reason you've given for the justification of these changes boils down to:

Big action sequence instead of slow dramatic sequence = larger audience appeal = more money.
Cutting out tons of character development = less time to make movie = more money.

Bingo! And now you know how blockbuster moviemaking works!

But that doesn't justify it. It just explains it.

I never said I was trying to "justify" how it works (I think the word "justify" is being tossed around too much in this topic... this isn't a murder case we're talking about).

Making money isn't a bad thing

Of course not. After all, money makes the world goes around.

[desirecampbell]

I think you've missed my point. Money is not a bad thing, and it is the driving force behind most endevours - but that's not because it should be, it just is. Movies are art - and art shouldn't be constrained by money - but it is. Movies that are based on earlier works but then changed slightly can be good in their own right, but that doesn't mean the story should be changed.

[Xyex]

I think you've missed my point. Money is not a bad thing, and it is the driving force behind most endevours - but that's not because it should be, it just is. Movies are art - and art shouldn't be constrained by money - but it is. Movies that are based on earlier works but then changed slightly can be good in their own right, but that doesn't mean the story should be changed.

Adaptations are just that, adaptations. Changes aren't just made because of money. Changes are made for other reasons. So the people making the adaptation can leave their 'mark' on the movie, for one. Because the script-writter prefers this alternate means than the original. Etc.

Changes will be made and should be made for any adaptation. Hell, when it comes to comics changes are made every few years just for the hell of it.

[Domon]

I think you've missed my point. Money is not a bad thing, and it is the driving force behind most endevours - but that's not because it should be, it just is.

Movies that are based on earlier works but then changed slightly can be good in their own right, but that doesn't mean the story should be changed.

For the record: I have never said that changes "should" or "shouldn't" be made, or that they are or aren't for the better or worse. They happen because... well, it's Hollywood!

Movies are art

Some movies are "art". But "blockbusters"--as the proposed DBZ movie would be-- are products intended purely for profit (and again, that's just how the world works).

[oponok]

Whoops, double post.

How awkward.

[oponok]

Yes, we need to remember that Hollywood isn't out to make art. We also need to remember that it's less than likely that some talented independent director with a small budget is going to go on a mission to produce the best, most critically praised Dragonball Z film possible.

I can't dare imagine what Fox would do to DBZ. Black shiny suits? Power Rangers-esque fights and storytelling?

In the end, I don't care. If it gets made and comes out, I'll go see it, get irritated, be embarrassed for Toriyama, and forget about it.

[Duo]

I can't imagine where it would end up...better or worse than how the Anime did compared to the Manga...

I agree with Mr. Campbell on this entirely, but I'm not gonna go and debate about it like this. So, bleh.

[Jerseymilk]

Duo, this really has to stop. Every thread you post in, you take the opportunity to criticise the anime in some way. That's great that you prefer the manga, to each his own, but you don't have to lord it over others. Perhaps you don't realize it, but that's how you're coming across. Quite frankly it's gotten tiring. Sorry for going off topic people but this lastest post Duo made was the last straw. -_-

[tarsonis]

Jerseymilk, I really couldn't agree more. Duo, just stop, please. We get it.

Now that that's out of the way, who says Hollywood can't make artsy films? It comes down to the director usually. A studio that only cares about making a profit on a big blockbuster film could be the same studio that makes a well-written film high on critics' lists.

[Duo]

Guess what? It's not your job to tell me what I can and can't post. If my comment on the topic at hand happens to stir thoughts of the Manga, I'll post 'em. It's not like I go off on a rant/editorial spree everytime, I just said what I thought. You can get the hell over it.

Unless our venerable Webmasters have an issue, then I will gladly oblige to shut it.


-I think the bigger point on this movie thing is really being missed. Does this really look legit? Are we any closer to this being reality? I don't believe so.