A possible (read: fan) explanation on a Buu Question...

Kaoru_Nagisa · Post by **Kaoru_Nagisa** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:08 am

The question of the two Kaious that Original Buu absorbed. Now, they ended up forming "Fat" (Mr.) Buu, right? So why WOULD they be in Super Buu, anyhow? My theory is that they are in Majin Buu himself. That's why they weren't released when all the pods were torn open. This could also explain why Super Buu devolved into Kid Buu.

When Buu was freed, it cut off the influence of the Kaious inside Buu, therefore leaving the original, rather than the Pure Evil one. I'm sure this theory has plenty of holes, seeing as it's about a line and a half long, so while I'd love to get more into it, I'll let you all pick apart the first part of this first so I can address anything there!

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:36 am

I just figured that Aku Boo took from the intellect of the Kaioshins as well, meaning he was sort of "tainted" too. And believe it or not, despite the dub, Fat Boo and Super Boo were pretty much on the same intellectual level, at least based on the Orig. Anime, and I trust it.

Also, Aku Boo was spawned mostly of the anger Fat Boo felt when stressed so far, but given a body and over half of his Chi.

Kid Boo, on the other hand, was what occured when every absorption, every anything Boo ever took in, was taken out. Somehow Aku Boo taking in Mr. Boo must've rearranged everything to make this possible...somehow...

Though, I blame it mostly on Toriyama just wanting to get the Manga over with, but that could just be me, lol. Just look at how SHORT the "Final Battle" of SS3 Goku vs. Kid Boo really was. Like, 1 chapter, maybe 2? Mostly with Vegeta talking?

Kaoru_Nagisa · Post by **Kaoru_Nagisa** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:07 am

Always good to have clarification, since my information isn't always too reliable! Yes, I know that Aku (Super, right? Since it's not PURE Evil, just Evil) Buu was tainted, because he had "Fat" Buu in him, and therefore the Kaioshins, by definition. However, like I said, it might explain why they just sort of vanished. It's because they were in the "Fat" Buu instead of the "Evil" Buu. Who knows? Maybe they got to liking it in there and stayed willingly o-o

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:01 pm

Super Buu seems to be the result of Buu(with the two other Kaioshins absorbed) expelling the "evil" in him (like Kami did to become, uh, Kami) But that Evil Buu absobed Buu(+2) and changing his form based on what's indide him.

Evil Buu functions the same way regular-Buu does: whatever is inside of him changes his outward form. When Evil Buu absobed Fat Buu(+2) he changed his outward apperance to reflect what he had absorbed (he stayed lean and tall, but gained more mass and became pink). We refer to this Buu as "Super Buu" but it's really just Evil-Buu(+Fat Buu).

http://dbz-rpg.com/staff/buu-chart.jpg
(chart of absobsions - careful, it's big.)

When Evil Buu absorbs Fat Buu(+2) he regains what he had lost in the separation (like when Piccolo and Kami re-merged) he was, in fact, Buu once again - but he no longer had the two kaioshins inside of him, just Fat Buu (and Fat Buu had the two kaioshins).

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:20 pm

That chart makes no distinction between "Fat" Boo and Mr. Boo

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:39 pm

El_Diablo wrote:That chart makes no distinction between "Fat" Boo and Mr. Boo

Is there?

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:03 pm

Yes. Mr. Boo doesn't have a desire for destruction or murder within him like before, and he's got like...35% of Fat Boo's power. That is why the distinction is made. Mr. Boo couldn't touch Super Saiyan 3 Goku if he tried, but Fat Boo was able to contend, despite Goku wasn't trying to kill him. Mr. Boo is probably only a bit stronger than a Super Saiyan 2.

And by "Aku Boo" I meant what many call "Evil Boo" but I don't like calling him something so simple, so I go with the Japanese word for evil, "Aku". It's not really my original idea or anything, as others do it, I just took after it.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:35 pm

Duo wrote:Yes. Mr. Boo doesn't have a desire for destruction or murder within him like before, and he's got like...35% of Fat Boo's power. That is why the distinction is made. Mr. Boo couldn't touch Super Saiyan 3 Goku if he tried, but Fat Boo was able to contend, despite Goku wasn't trying to kill him. Mr. Boo is probably only a bit stronger than a Super Saiyan 2.

And by "Aku Boo" I meant what many call "Evil Boo" but I don't like calling him something so simple, so I go with the Japanese word for evil, "Aku". It's not really my original idea or anything, as others do it, I just took after it.

I still don't see any difference between Fat Buu (the first Buu we see) and Mr. Buu (the only Buu left afterwards). Fat Buu expells the evil (as well as most of his strength) in him to make Evil Buu. So, other than not being evil anymore, Fat Buu is Mr. Buu.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:52 pm

Well, then there is no difference, if you don't see it.

The disgiushment is necessary when speaking of Power differences, beyond that, no point.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:18 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Duo wrote:Yes. Mr. Boo doesn't have a desire for destruction or murder within him like before, and he's got like...35% of Fat Boo's power. That is why the distinction is made. Mr. Boo couldn't touch Super Saiyan 3 Goku if he tried, but Fat Boo was able to contend, despite Goku wasn't trying to kill him. Mr. Boo is probably only a bit stronger than a Super Saiyan 2.

And by "Aku Boo" I meant what many call "Evil Boo" but I don't like calling him something so simple, so I go with the Japanese word for evil, "Aku". It's not really my original idea or anything, as others do it, I just took after it.
I still don't see any difference between Fat Buu (the first Buu we see) and Mr. Buu (the only Buu left afterwards). Fat Buu expells the evil (as well as most of his strength) in him to make Evil Buu. So, other than not being evil anymore, Fat Buu is Mr. Buu.

Evil Buu took all the evil AND most of the strength of Fat Buu. As a result is Mr. Buu. Mr. Buu is exactly like Duo explains. Mr. Buu is neither the same in terms of attitude or in strength. Also, the chart is missing the form where Chibi Buu has absorbed only North Kaioshin. We see it in a decent amount of filler and in the transformation back into Chibi.

Does anybody else get the impression that Skinny/Evil/Aku/whatever Buu has the same face as North Kaioshin? I'm starting to wonder if, in expelling all the evil within him, Fat Buu also expelled the North Kaioshin. I get the impression that Dai Kaioshin and Buu are fused forever because of Dai Kaioshin's magic+goodness, and that he expelled all other assimilees (North shin + Chibi Buu) in a bizarre fuzed form (Evil Buu). Then when Fat Buu is in Super, somehow North Kaioshin gets put back into Fat, but this doesn't cause a reversion to Chibi because everybody's still assimilated. When Fat gets pulled out, Super reverts to the proper form comprising of North+Chibi, and then continues reverting since North isn't with him anymore.

Then again, it's more likely this plothole was completely intentional, since everybody was expecting him to get even weaker than Super Buu (ie: revert to Skinny).

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:32 pm

It actually would have been nice if Super Boo had become Aku Boo again, because then people would be far more realizing of the fact that the final Boo was much weaker than Super Boo. For those of us who care about Power differences, that is quite important. The idea of Chibi Boo being the strongest Boo is utterly absurd and foundless, other than one bad Dub Line.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:56 pm

Duo wrote:It actually would have been nice if Super Boo had become Aku Boo again, because then people would be far more realizing of the fact that the final Boo was much weaker than Super Boo. For those of us who care about Power differences, that is quite important. The idea of Chibi Boo being the strongest Boo is utterly absurd and foundless, other than one bad Dub Line.

How is it foundless (apart being weaker than Chibi+South)? Chibi is the strongest, he absorbs South Kaioshin to become stronger, then absorbs Dai Kaioshin whose kindness+magic greatly reduces his strength. From then on it incrementally gets bigger and bigger.

Ah crap: I wrote North Kaioshin in my previous post...

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:05 pm

Hah..! I would love to have a debate about this, especially with someone as formidable as yourself, but I know Mike doesn't care for the Power Comparison Debates, after having spent about 3 hours reading ALL of the "AskVegettoEX" archives last night...so I'll drop you a PM.

And I really did learn a lot about Mike and Julian from that...an amazing experience.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:11 pm

El_Diablo wrote:That chart makes no distinction between "Fat" Boo and Mr. Boo

Also, it doesn't have Super Boo with Piccolo (without Goten and Trunks)! That Boo is different, because he wears Piccolo's pants, while the one WITH Goten and Trunks has Boo's pants! I just noticed this difference today >_<

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:06 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
El_Diablo wrote:That chart makes no distinction between "Fat" Boo and Mr. Boo
Also, it doesn't have Super Boo with Piccolo (without Goten and Trunks)! That Boo is different, because he wears Piccolo's pants, while the one WITH Goten and Trunks has Boo's pants! I just noticed this difference today >_<

Geez, you guys are so picky.

So I re used the same picture, geez, I'm just one man! *cries*

Jord · Post by **Jord** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:01 am

Is it ever stated when Boo Boo is released from Fat Boo? First he's a part of him and a while later he walks around in Yellowstone park like nothing happened.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:23 am

Jord wrote:Is it ever stated when Boo Boo is released from Fat Boo? First he's a part of him and a while later he walks around in Yellowstone park like nothing happened.

"Boo Boo"? "Yellowstone"? Is this some kind of Yogi Bear joke?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:13 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
El_Diablo wrote:That chart makes no distinction between "Fat" Boo and Mr. Boo
Also, it doesn't have Super Boo with Piccolo (without Goten and Trunks)! That Boo is different, because he wears Piccolo's pants, while the one WITH Goten and Trunks has Boo's pants! I just noticed this difference today >_<
Geez, you guys are so picky. So I re used the same picture, geez, I'm just one man! *cries*

I just like to be mean!
Personally, I think the one with Piccolo's clothes looks cooler than the one with Boo's pants!

The S · Post by **The S** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:22 pm

Hey, on a related note, what were the actual names that the Daizenshuu gave the Buus?

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:11 am

The S wrote:Hey, on a related note, what were the actual names that the Daizenshuu gave the Buus?

They just kept calling him "Majin Buu", right? Isn't all these "Aku Buu", "Fat Boo", and the rest just fan names?

Kanzenshuu

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