Fan-Made Termonology

[Duo]

I would like to get some information on the origins, legitamacy, and accuracy of some common fan terms and some terms I'm not sure about. At the same time, giving some opinions of my own on them.

Those that I know are Fan Terms.

Ultra Super Saiya'jin

I've wondered for a long time why this is so commonly used. If I remember correctly, the Daizenshuu gives names for these two forms which come out to being something like "Super Saiya'jin Type 2" and "Super Saiya'jin Type 3" so why the use of Ussj?

Mystic Gohan

This one bugs me. The definition of "Mystic" has little or nothing to do with what Gohan was at that time (which was just a super powered up Base Form without the ability to go Ssj or Ssj2).

Chao Gohan

Same person, different term. I see this one more used on some other boards. "Chao" means "Super". Again, lacks any roots in logic.


Suspected Fan Terms

Majin Vegeta

I put this here because I don't know if the Daizenshuu has anything to say about it, but I know he is never called this in the Anime or Manga.

Fat Boo, Super Boo, Mister Boo, Kid Boo, etc...

Yea...any of these in any official source?

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And I'm sure there are tons of others I'm forgetting, but I tried not to include weird ones used by boards outside of this one.

So yea...where do all these come from and how legitimate are they?

[Ash]

Chou Gohan might come from how Bandai named the Super Battle Collection toy of Gohan...something like Ultimate (Chou) Son Gohan.

[desirecampbell]

Chao Gohan
Same person, different time. I see this one more used on some other boards. "Chao" means "Super". Again, lacks any roots in logic.

I've actually, never heard of "Chao Gohan", what does it reference?

The others are almost assuredly fan-made.

[Duo]

About a year back, on MFG, a bunch of Manga-Purists (I was starting to get into the Manga, and followed their idea's a little bit, but loosely) decided that "Mystic" was the dumbest term ever and just went with Chuo/Chao.

That's all I know of it. No official source that I know of ever used that.

I think the most accurate term to date is/was "Ultimate Gohan". Correct?

[Chaos Saiyajin]

You forgot 'zenkai'. I'm pretty sure the different forms of Buu are fan-made names, I've only heard him reffered to as Majin Buu in the JP version.

[Dayspring]

I would like to get some information on the origins, legitamacy, and accuracy of some common fan terms and some terms I'm not sure about. At the same time, giving some opinions of my own on them.

Those that I know are Fan Terms.

Ultra Super Saiya'jin

I've wondered for a long time why this is so commonly used. If I remember correctly, the Daizenshuu gives names for these two forms which come out to being something like "Super Saiya'jin Type 2" and "Super Saiya'jin Type 3" so why the use of Ussj?

Mystic Gohan

This one bugs me. The definition of "Mystic" has little or nothing to do with what Gohan was at that time (which was just a super powered up Base Form without the ability to go Ssj or Ssj2).

Chao Gohan

Same person, different time. I see this one more used on some other boards. "Chao" means "Super". Again, lacks any roots in logic.


Suspected Fan Terms

Majin Vegeta

I put this here because I don't know if the Daizenshuu has anything to say about it, but I know he is never called this in the Anime or Manga.

Fat Boo, Super Boo, Mister Boo, Kid Boo, etc...

Yea...any of these in any official source?

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And I'm sure there are tons of others I'm forgetting, but I tried not to include weird ones used by boards outside of this one.

So yea...where do all these come from and how legitimate are they?

"Ultra Saiyan" is an excuse to use the USSJ abbreviation. It's faster than SSJD2D and SSJD3D. Nobody even says "ultra," we just keep the abbreviation.

"Mystic Gohan" is the same: it's faster than saying "Post-Rou Kaioshin power-up Gohan." Where the fuck "mystic" came from, I have no clue.

"Chao?" Wtf? "Chou" is an alternate method of spelling "Cho" with a circomflex accent on the O (like Budokai/Budoukai. "Chuo" would be the same as spelling Goku's name "Gouk," and "Chao" is just fucked up. Never heard of it before, but I admit I'd prefer this to "Mystic."

Majin Vegeta is pure fan-term to describe the amount of strength acquired once put under Babidi's spell. He gets the majin symbol, but it's not an actual "form" of Vegeta. This is another conveniance thing: easier than saying "SSJ2 Vegeta while under Babidi's spell."

"The Fat Buu" and "The Skinny Buu" were in the manga when referring to the two Buus formed by Majin Buu getting too pissed. "Kid Buu" is a semi-incorrect translation of "Chibi Buu," which is really used in the context of "The Small[er] Buu." "The Small Buu" (Chibi) and "The Fat Buu" are used by Vegeta when the two Buus fight. Kaioshin and the daizenshuu regard Chibi Buu as "The Original Buu" and "Mister Buu" is what Toriyama tells us, in a manga chapter cover, is Fat Buu's new name once ten years have gone by. All variations of the Skinny Buu, once he absorbs Fat Buu up to when he reverts to Chibi Buu, are simply "Buu" or "Majin Buu." "Super Buu" is therefore fan-made.
"The New Buu" is something Piccolo called Buu was Fat Buu was absorbed.

"Zenkai" is a fan-term.

[Conan the SSJ]

Buu is referred to as "Mr. Boo" during the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai on a fan sign during a crowd shot. I don't know if this was in the manga, I do know it's in the anime. In the edit English dub, the words "Mr." are painted over, as are the "O's" to look like "U's".

[Bejiita]

A lot of these names are used in computer games. Well, Ultimate Gohan, I've never hear of Chou Gohan but it just mean Super Gohan, I don't even use all these names when referring to them to someone I know, I'll just say 'You know Gohan in the Buu saga' and so one, but on the net I'll just use Mystic Gohan, simple term many know him as.

USSJ, a fan term that has been around for fuck knows how long. I'm back into DBZ after first being introduced to it in 2000, so I wouldn't know its history. It is an easy way to give this form an abbrieviation for quick reference to people. It's easier than typing 'Super Saya-Jin of the 1st/2nd level'. In the games Super is written before the name.

I can say Majin Buu gets many, if not all of his names from video games. You never hear anyone in the manga or anime use any of these terms, it's just Buu or Majin Buu, the exception of Mr. Satan who may say Buu-Sama, and there's no Master Buu nickname I've heard, maybe at the end of Z he starts calling him Buu san because they are friends.

Majin Vegeta, again, games, and just putting two and two together, Majin Vegeta is a fan term that I will also use.

[Dayspring]

A lot of these names are used in computer games. Well, Ultimate Gohan, I've never hear of Chou Gohan but it just mean Super Gohan, I don't even use all these names when referring to them to someone I know, I'll just say 'You know Gohan in the Buu saga' and so one, but on the net I'll just use Mystic Gohan, simple term many know him as.

USSJ, a fan term that has been around for fuck knows how long. I'm back into DBZ after first being introduced to it in 2000, so I wouldn't know its history. It is an easy way to give this form an abbrieviation for quick reference to people. It's easier than typing 'Super Saya-Jin of the 1st/2nd level'. In the games Super is written before the name.

I can say Majin Buu gets many, if not all of his names from video games. You never hear anyone in the manga or anime use any of these terms, it's just Buu or Majin Buu, the exception of Mr. Satan who may say Buu-Sama, and there's no Master Buu nickname I've heard, maybe at the end of Z he starts calling him Buu san because they are friends.

Majin Vegeta, again, games, and just putting two and two together, Majin Vegeta is a fan term that I will also use.

Read my post.

Majin Vegeta's been around since '98 at the least. It was what people referred to him as when Funi was still at the Saiyan Saga. Ultra and Mystic are what bugs me. USSJ and USSJ2 have been around for as long as Majin Vegeta, but I don't ever remember anybody using the word "ultra" itself (ie: only its abbreviations).

[Meri]

"Majin Vegeta" was used way back when I bought DBZ fansubs (hell, my old tapes are even call the episodes "Majin Vegeta Saga"), so that term dates back to at LEAST 1996.

That being said... the phrase must have an origin in SOME legitimate source (or was simply a VERY early-on fan-made term). I mean, back then, the only people who even knew of DBZ in the states were those who saw either the original Japanese version or other foreign language versions, so I'm led to believe that there must have been some grounds for using this phrase.

[VegettoEX]

ZENKAI:

For a detailed explanation of how "zenkai" is (mostly-incorrectly) used, please read:

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?p=56781


GOHAN:

As noted, 超 (chou / chô) is how the word should be spelled. In the context of SSJ levels, it's literally written as 超サイヤ人, with the furigana above 超 written as スーパー (sûpâ); see this image for an example. In the context of Gohan, I don't believe it has the スーパー along with it. I just checked Sparking!, and they have the character's name written out as arutaamatto son gohan (not 究極 [kyûkyoku]; flat-out "ultimate"). Daizenshuu #2 ("STORY GUIDE"), in the "Personal History / Growing Up" section, lists that particular form of Gohan simply as 最強の悟飯 ("saikyô no gohan", with "saikyô" meaning "mightiest" or "strongest"). It doesn't appear that said character of Gohan got a Super Battle Collection figure, so we can't necessarily trace it back to that exact line of figures. Bandai released a ton of other crap, so they might have labeled him on a figure with some type of name that's either listed above or in addition to what's listed above.

As far as I can tell, "Mystic" doesn't appear in any of Curtis Hoffmann's summaries, though it indeed surfaced during that timeline. I've been familiar with the phrase almost as long as I've been a fan and online, and that was 1997/1998.


MAJIN VEGETA:

See Meri's points regarding the age of the fansubs, their titles, and the sheer fact that there wasn't any English adaptation to base anything off of yet. Also, no Super Battle Collection figure for this character.


USSJ:

Pretty sure this came from Curtis Hoffmann's summaries. Here's a mirror of volume 34's summary, which is dated 1993.


MAJIN BUU:

Curtis Hoffman used the term "Ultimate Majin Buu" for what many fans call "Super Buu", and "The True Buu" for "Chibi Buu", respectively. As far as I can tell, the only name variation that appears in the manga is "Mr. Buu". The other names are all given official titles in the daizenshuu, which has since been carried over into other official publications and even the present-day video games (all as listed in our respective "Transformations Guide" page).

The fan names? They're simply convenient, and probably mutated into themselves in obvious stages throughout the years. I sincerely doubt you'd be able to trace down a single source to such generic terms.

[Castor Troy]

"Majin Vegeta" is actually used in DBZ Sparking as the actual name when you select that form of Vegeta. 魔人ベジータappears on the character select so.. there you have it.

I never even bothered to check it out in the US version since I have no plans to purchase it or rent it again.

[VegettoEX]

"Majin Vegeta" is actually used in DBZ Sparking as the actual name when you select that form of Vegeta. 魔人ベジータappears on the character select so.. there you have it.

Was just about to go check that one, too .

Daizenshuu #2 calls it "hakai ouji" ("destruction" + "prince") for what it's worth. More of a description than a name, though.

[Conan the SSJ]

"Majin Vegeta" is actually used in DBZ Sparking as the actual name when you select that form of Vegeta. 魔人ベジータappears on the character select so.. there you have it.

I never even bothered to check it out in the US version since I have no plans to purchase it or rent it again.

Pssst, Castor.....Greatest Hits Budokai 3, must own.

On topic, since Vegeta was seduced into greater power by Babidi and was given the "M" symbol, I think it's logical he'd be called "Majin Vegeta" even way back in 96. I mean, he's literally like a different person, I think defining him as "Majin" would d be the best term. By the looks of things, it was first thought of before DBZ's syndication run.

[Dayspring]

(all as listed in our respective "Transformations Guide" page).

It still bugs the shit out of me that everybody considers Buu (+South Kaioshin) to be anim-only. You see it in the manga for a few panels when he reverts to Chibi, and Vegeta even says "He's going to transform again...", so it's not like you can argue that it never took place.

[VegettoEX]

(all as listed in our respective "Transformations Guide" page).

It still bugs the shit out of me that everybody considers Buu (+South Kaioshin) to be anim-only. You see it in the manga for a few panels when he reverts to Chibi, and Vegeta even says "He's going to transform again...", so it's not like you can argue that it never took place.

Well... we list the manga chapter... it's just that it's given slightly more focus in the anime.

[Xyex]

Ultra and Mystic are what bugs me. USSJ and USSJ2 have been around for as long as Majin Vegeta, but I don't ever remember anybody using the word "ultra" itself (ie: only its abbreviations).

I'd have to say that Mystic comes from it being a 'magic' induced powered-up state and has a whole 'mystic' (though with the obvious DB flavor) feel to it. Add to that the wanted a flashy name to call him and bam, Mystic is born.

As for "Ultra" it makes sense. It's a form beyond that of Super, and Ultra is considered greater than Super. As for the abrevations, I have heard people use "Ultra Saiya-jin" but never actually "Ultra Super Saiya-jin" when talking about that form. Which has always led me to wonder why we use USSJ instead of just USJ....

[desirecampbell]

Ultra and Mystic are what bugs me. USSJ and USSJ2 have been around for as long as Majin Vegeta, but I don't ever remember anybody using the word "ultra" itself (ie: only its abbreviations).

I'd have to say that Mystic comes from it being a 'magic' induced powered-up state and has a whole 'mystic' (though with the obvious DB flavor) feel to it. Add to that the wanted a flashy name to call him and bam, Mystic is born.

As for "Ultra" it makes sense. It's a form beyond that of Super, and Ultra is considered greater than Super. As for the abrevations, I have heard people use "Ultra Saiya-jin" but never actually "Ultra Super Saiya-jin" when talking about that form. Which has always led me to wonder why we use USSJ instead of just USJ....

And I've never seen just "Ultra Saiyan" :p

[Duo]

Holy fricken mother of information Jackpot...

Well...let's see. I don't really have questions on any of those anymore, so I'll try to toss out some new ones.



Full Power Super Saiya'jin / Super Saiya'jin Full Power

This one has boggled me the most. The only root I can find is a chapter title (the one in which Goku first goes to full power at the Cell Game) which I think was originally named "Supaa Saiya'jin Furu Pawaa" or something like that.

Another thing about it that bugs me is how little it makes sense, at least in my opinion. "Full Power" is a term used countless times to describe all kinds of characters from call kinds of "Transformations" and "Races". And it surely isn't the ultimate culmunation of what a Super Saiya'jin can become.


Supaa Kanzentai Seru / Super Perfect Cell

Kinda throws me off a bit. I would figure a more appropriate name to be "Ssj2 Cell" since he had every visible trait of a Super Saiya'jin 2 and power that rivalled one... (but this can easily turn into a debate, sadly, so perhaps we outta avoid discussing it?)


Thanks to everyone who chose to contribute information! I didn't believe I'd get as awesome a response as this. Hope to see more.

[Ash]

It doesn't appear that said character of Gohan got a Super Battle Collection figure, so we can't necessarily trace it back to that exact line of figures.

I'm sure "Chou Gohan" got a SBC figure, I think it was one of the latter Z SBC figures....

Dragon Ball Toys!

Hum, seems he's called "Son Gohan Ultimate Version" in English, but with a bunch of kanji I don't know, only the last one, "chou". ^_~;' (One can think, somebody sometime chose to translate Son Gohan Ultimate Version as simply Chou Son Gohan....)