Coloring in Anime

[DaemonCorps]

Well, most of us know about the whole Saiyan armor/hair coloring incident. Because they didn't know what color to make their armor and hair in the anime (because it was in black and white in the manga), they mistakenly made Vegeta and Nappa's armor a shade of orange with some puke green.

My question is: how did they anime colorers (?) know what to color future new characters? I know that Gotenks' first appearance in the manga was in black and white, so they couldn't have know what color his outfit would be. Did Toriyama inform them beforehand to avoid another miscolor, or did the anime guys add a couple more filler episodes than usual to keep the manga significantly ahead? If so for the latter question, that would mean that Toriyama would need a color chapter for every new character introduced?

Or did Toriyama trust the anime crew to correctly color new characters without telling them what to color them, resultinng in some more errors in the coloring in comparison to the manga and anime (I know this is unlikely, but Toriyama did change the color of Supreme Kai, Elder Supreme Kai, and Kibito in the color chapters).

[HP]

Well, most of us know about the whole Saiyan armor/hair coloring incident. Because they didn't know what color to make their armor and hair in the anime (because it was in black and white in the manga), they mistakenly made Vegeta and Nappa's armor a shade of orange with some puke green.

I didn't know that. That explains the oddity

[Mr. Announcer]

It's as you say. Most of the time they don't know and for that reason a lot of the colors in the anime and manga don't correspond, for example karin and King Kai. When they do agree it's a matter of Toriyama having made colored pages or Toriyama conforming to the anime coloration. I'm not sure to what extent they had contact with him but I'm pretty sure they didn't want to call him up every night ith a coloring question. I have to say I like most of the anime colors as much if not better than the manga ones with the exeption of kibit and his...pinkness..... Anyway, the manga as always ahead enough but I don't believe any filler was added for coloring purposes.

[desirecampbell]

Toriyama probably told them what colors to use. Not specificly what colors, but geberal colors, like 'orange for the gi' or 'black vest with orange trim' or 'blue sash'. He was probably consulted on all major color schemes after that screw up with Vegeta.

And in case anyone doesn't know about the 'other colors'...

[Mr. Announcer]

I doubt that's the case. If he was consulted then a lot more of the colors would have been changed other than just Vegeta and Nappa's armor. In that case I think they just changed it because they found they preferred Toriyama's colors. There's always the possibility that Toriyama just forgot what colors he advised them to use but I doubt he was very involved.

[desirecampbell]

I wasn't aware there aware other color inconsistencies. What are they?

[DaemonCorps]

I don't remember much other than some really subtl ones:

manga: Bulma's hair was purple
anime: it was light blue

manga: Elder Supreme Kai was a light grey
anime: he was purple

manga: Supreme Kai was pink
anime: he was purple

manga: Kibito was purple
anime: he was a darkish pink

in general: Piccolo's belt changes color from red to purple. I'm guessing the same went for Gohan when he dressed up like him.

Most of the time they don't know and for that reason a lot of the colors in the anime and manga don't correspond, for example karin and King Kai

Why? What colors were they originally?

[Mr. Announcer]

Well as far as color differences go King Kai is white in the colored art I've seen of Toriyama's including the original spine image, Karin if I remember was either brown or blue normally, and the "kin"toun is consistently purple in the manga.

[Nekoni]

I coulda' sworn I saw an AT colored yellow nimbus.. *crosses eyes*

I think he musta' informed them to some extent, as there's actually so -few- coloring differences to point out. (query- did AT color his manga?? Coloring's a bit tedious and I hear many of the big Mangakas have apprentices they get to do 'menial' stuff like that) Vegeta's like, the only real 'OMG!' incident...

[desirecampbell]

Well as far as color differences go King Kai is white in the colored art I've seen of Toriyama's including the original spine image, Karin if I remember was either brown or blue normally, and the "kin"toun is consistently purple in the manga.

Nimbus is purple? Weird, it was yellow in the new ending http://www.daizex.com/multimedia/images ... 4-p230.jpg

[Mr. Announcer]

You know you're right, in that first colored chapter where Gokuh recieves the cloud it is yellow. I guess it just stuck. There are actually a lot of very minor color differences but nobody really notices because the manga is mostly uncolored and the schemes have pretty much the same combination of colors. This isn't really a problem at all. People only really noticed the whole Vegeta/Nappa thing because it was actually changed to Toriyama's scheme. For some reason, when it comes to Vegeta people actually care.....

[desirecampbell]

You know you're right, in that first colored chapter where Gokuh recieves the cloud it is yellow. I guess it just stuck. There are actually a lot of very minor color differences but nobody really notices because the manga is mostly uncolored and the schemes have pretty much the same combination of colors. This isn't really a problem at all. People only really noticed the whole Vegeta/Nappa thing because it was actually changed to Toriyama's scheme. For some reason, when it comes to Vegeta people actually care.....

Maybe I'm just impressionable, but I'm sure I've seen a purple Nimbus now. I'm sure of it.

Of course, I was sure you were a guy too

[Mr. Announcer]

Dude! shhhh.....

Anyway yeah, the nimbus is purple on a couple of the original manga covers and on the spine image.

[desirecampbell]

Dude! shhhh.....

Anyway yeah, the nimbus is purple on a couple of the original manga covers and on the spine image.

So I'm not insane? That makes me feel a little better.

Damn you DragonBall! *shakes fist* So many inconsistancies!

[Rocketman]

Of course, I was sure you were a guy too

Mr. Announcer's not a guy?

[Ultimate Tofu Guy Drift]

I never understood why Bulma's hair is a different colour in the anime than in the manga. I mean the first few chapters of the manga were in colour so Toei can't say "Um, we didn't know what colour because it was black and white".

Also not just colour, but characters like Piccolo and Cell are slightly different. Like in the Manga Piccolo only has 4 fingers and Cell first stage 3 fingers. Why do they have 5 in the anime? Who knows.

[desirecampbell]

I never understood why Bulma's hair is a different colour in the anime than in the manga. I mean the first few chapters of the manga were in colour so Toei can't say "Um, we didn't know what colour because it was black and white".

Also not just colour, but characters like Piccolo and Cell are slightly different. Like in the Manga Piccolo only has 4 fingers and Cell first stage 3 fingers. Why do they have 5 in the anime? Who knows.

Actually, the 5-fingers thing is probably just to make it easier on the animators - if every character has 5 fingers, then nobody has to remember who needs an extra one or one or two less.

[DaemonCorps]

I never understood why Bulma's hair is a different colour in the anime than in the manga. I mean the first few chapters of the manga were in colour so Toei can't say "Um, we didn't know what colour because it was black and white".

Also not just colour, but characters like Piccolo and Cell are slightly different. Like in the Manga Piccolo only has 4 fingers and Cell first stage 3 fingers. Why do they have 5 in the anime? Who knows.

Actually, the 5-fingers thing is probably just to make it easier on the animators - if every character has 5 fingers, then nobody has to remember who needs an extra one or one or two less.

Same thing with Buu (in all of his forms). In the manga, he doesn't have any fingers at all (think of it as a pink glove). Funny... you'd think the whole glove hand thing would be easier, but I guess remembering just that would be too much of a hassle for the animators.

[Duo]

The colors were even inconsistent within the Manga itself. Example -



As you can see, Goku's Gi is kind of strangely colored and he has white hair. The weirdest part is that almost every colored image of a Super Saiyan in the Manga has very golden hair (white aura is normal). Why is this?

Well, Mr. Hujio of Kanzentai informed me of the fact that Manga-ka function on some kind of "ink budget" when submitting colored chapters to be published. So some pictures get full color ranges and can be done exactly as Toriyama-sensei would want, but then a lot of the given chapter may have more generic and inconsistent colors. Heck, this even happens in the very first chapter of Dragonball. At the beginning, Goku is wearing purple, but later on he is shown in red.

But now I think I'll move on to something else I want to do - name tons of color inconsistencies! (based on images with unlimited "ink budget".

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Super Saiyan aura's are a translucent gold in the Anime, but in the Manga they are a solid, firey white. This carries through the various transformations, despite the huge texture changes of the Aura.

Super Saiyan hair is much more golden in the Manga (see Gohan image above).

Piccolos arm "patches" that are pink in the Anime are yellow in the Manga.

Gohan's belt during the Cell Game was blue in the Anime, but red in the Manga (again, see above).

Kaio and Kaioshin and all them...different. Other people posted enough about that.

Raditz has a blue scouter in the Manga

Dragonballs appear to have blue stars.

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And to elaborate on the Boo's...

"Fat Boo" had mitten hands, both Anime and Manga, as did the two Boo's he became when he split.

Majin Boo II, or the Boo he became when the two halves came back together (call him "Super Boo" if you must...), had "mitten" type hands, but the index finger was actually separated from the rest.

When he absorbed Super Gotenks and Piccolo, he actually got a set of 5 fingers. This carries through his next two stages.

The original Boo...had plain ol' glove hands. Same as the form he took when he absorbed the Southern Kaioshin.

I guess that's it for my huge post.

[DaemonCorps]

Woah, I completely forgot all of those color changes. Toriyama even stays consistent with himself in the kanzenban covers by keeping the SSJ aura white, and their hair golden yellow.

Well, Mr. Hujio of Kanzentai informed me of the fact that Manga-ka function on some kind of "ink budget" when submitting colored chapters to be published. So some pictures get full color ranges and can be done exactly as Toriyama-sensei would want, but then a lot of the given chapter may have more generic and inconsistent colors.

I remember EX talking about something like that. He even says something like it's much better when they show the color chapter in black and white at times because the color jobs were shaudily done. For example, there would only be, like, 5 different colors that Toriyama could use in some color chapters giving it a kinda -ish look to it. Regardless, I would want to buy one of the kanzenban just to compare its color schemes in its color pages.