Why Goku didn't use Shunkan-idou...

uchiha_boy · Post by **uchiha_boy** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:09 pm

One thing puzzles me though, when Goku learned the Instant Transmission on Yardrat from the inhabitants, why didn't he use it to get back to Earth instead of using his repaired spaceship? I mean wouldn't it be much faster if he did? Cause it took him over a year to get back to Earth using just the spaceship. With the IT he would of returned back to Earth much faster.

Any suggestions?

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:38 pm

Well, like many of the other questions posted here... it's all speculation, but I'd assume it's for the same reason he couldn't teleport to New Namek... maybe he didn't quite know where Earth was at the time, or maybe it was too far away...

We know that when Freeza showed up, Goku was planning on teleporting over before he felt Trunks take care of things... so, why didn't he just make the trip shorter when he was capable of it? Maybe he was just feeling lazy... or was enjoying his time in his pod... the world may never know.

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:49 pm

Wouldn't it have taken a lot of energy to be able to teleport/transport that far?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:58 pm

Also, don't the pods work with some sort of hyper-sleep mode for long trips? Maybe didn't know where Earth was from Yardrat, and couldn't teleport until he got closer to Earth cuz' he was in "suspended animation?"

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:59 pm

Flashy-flashy's right. Goku wasn't skilled enough to teleport such great distances yet. I think the main idea is that he needs to have a good grasp of where he's going. He needs to know where he's going, for most things it's so close he can actually see it, otherwise he needs to lock-on to an energy source.

Even years later, during the Cell Games, he has to use Kaio-sama to find New-Namek.

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue May 30, 2006 10:54 pm

Perhaps it's just that Son Gokuu is like me in yet another way; has no sense of direction.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:17 pm

Magica wrote:Wouldn't it have taken a lot of energy to be able to teleport/transport that far?

If he can teleport from heaven to earth, I don't think this would be a problem.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:42 pm

BrollysKin wrote:
Magica wrote:Wouldn't it have taken a lot of energy to be able to teleport/transport that far?

If he can teleport from heaven to earth, I don't think this would be a problem.

That depends on if you consider Dragonball's heaven to actually be a distance away from the living world.

Oh, that one's a thinker...

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Wed May 31, 2006 3:58 am

Well, we all know the true reason why: The author wanted us to feel a sense of mysteriousness towards Trunks. The author wanted us to ask ourselves, "How does he know Goku's landing point?" and add a bit of tension and curiosity (while they were waiting for him to arrive). The thrill of knowing that Frieza gets there before him added lots of excitement; I thought that he'd smash up Vegeta and the guys, but all of a sudden... SLASH SLASH SLASH!

His interaction with Bulma also added some clues as to his origination... Otherwise, it'd be quite boring. No famous "grand entrance". Imagine that.

Goku would blast Frieza, and that would be that.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:21 am

Steven Perry wrote:Otherwise, it'd be quite boring. No famous "grand entrance". Imagine that. Goku would blast Freeza, and that would be that.

Better than the "12-year-old's first fanfiction"-style entrance.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:48 am

I know Goku probably wasn't able to because of the great distance between Yardrat and Earth, as someone here said already...

"Maybe didn't know where Earth was from Yardrat"

Is everyone kinda forgetting that Goku has to think of a person, rather than a place? Same goes for the New Namek bit. Couldn't Goku just think of Dende? Although it would make sense if he couldn't, since they never had any kind of interaction before Dende became Earth's God.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:29 am

Well I remember the diolouge in the dub went like this:

GOKU: Looks like you took care of things around here.

TRUNKS: Well, I didn't plan on it, but when I realized that you weren't going to get here on time, I had to step in.

GOKU: Well actually I could've gotten here earlier if I wanted to, I have a technique that would've gotten me here way before Freeza even landed.

TRUNKS: You mean time travel???

GOKU: Nope, It's called instant transmission, it can get you anywhere in a matter of seconds.

Of course, this not be how it was in the original diolouge, but Goku said it himself he could have used it "if he wanted to."

Another thing to think about is the original timeline, where Trunks didn't defeat Freeza. Freeza was still defeated by Goku, and he probably beat him to earth by using instant transmisson.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:15 pm

MisterFlashdude wrote:... or was enjoying his time in his pod...

I think this is the most logical answer. Goku was enjoying himself

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Wed May 31, 2006 3:41 pm

uchiha_boy wrote:One thing puzzles me though, when Goku learned the Instant Transmission on Yardrat from the inhabitants, why didn't he use it to get back to Earth instead of using his repaired spaceship? I mean wouldn't it be much faster if he did? Cause it took him over a year to get back to Earth using just the spaceship. With the IT he would of returned back to Earth much faster.

Any suggestions?

It's hard to really answer a question like this because, no one really knows.

It's the same thing as asking:
"Why goku didn't just jump into hell and use the same secret passageway as before when he was racing back down snake way?"

or

"Howcome they never used the dragonballs to make themselves stronger?"

The real answer to questions like that are simply because it wasn't written that way.

Hero 004 · Post by **Hero 004** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:20 pm

I would agree that because he had just learned the technique, he would not have been able to teleport that far. We see him use it to get to King Kai's planet later in the Cell Games saga and he had trouble figuring out how to do it. You would think that it was the first time he ever was able to go that far (after he had trained for the androids and in the room of spirit and time). It is also reveled during that time that he was not able to teleport to Namek directly and Yardrat would have to be at least that far away from Earth, if not farther.

I would also leave movie 8 out of this.

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:42 pm

So, checking back on this thread... re-reading some of the posts that followed the one I already made... and remembered some of the specifics about the shunkan-idou...

Well, now I remember that it doesn't rely on knowing where you're going. Goku has to find a ki source and lock-on. With that in mind, I'd say the distance Goku can travel is relative to how far away he can be and still sense a person energy. If the person (or people, in New Namek's case) is too far away to sense, he can't go there.

He could easily detect Freeza's ki on Earth when he arrived... yakno, since it's flippin' Freeza... but Trunks showed up and took care of him quickly. Afterwards, everyone was relaxed, waiting for Goku... more to the point, they weren't powered-up at all, making them harder to Goku to detect from space...

(Meanwhile, in Trunk's future... Trunk never showed up to take care of Freeza, so Goku had pleanty of time to lock-on and then teleport on over to deal with things...)

Teleporting to North Kaio-sama's world kind of makes sense... if you assume Goku can always feel Kaio-sama's ki, then I'd think his world in the afterlife would be a good junction point to get to other places...

Oh, Dragonball... so many specifics, sometimes they're hard to remember...

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:30 am

Judging from my own point of view, I'm going with the following guess. When Goku asked Porunga to not teleport him to the Earth after the first 130 days following Freeza's defeat, it was because he was still learning the Instant Transmission. Now when that occurred, Vegeta left Earth in Dr. Briefs' "Capsule 3" ship. Once Goku had learned Instant Transmission, there wasn't anyone strong enough on Earth he could sense to pull a transport. Quite curiously, there was a very ambiguous scene in an episode of the Garlic Jr. saga where Vegeta is still looking for Goku in space and does some warming up on an atmosphere covered double-moon. This may have been the first time Goku actually performed Instant Transmission from away from Yardrat, as he could likely sense Vegeta much better than the other Z warriors on Earth. Goku went back to Yardrat to finish training while Vegeta made his way to Earth. Earth itself had to of been far too away from Yardrat for Goku to sense anyone to teleport himself, so he packed up the Ginyu space-pod and headed off.

It's interesting that in Sagas, we actually get a sample of Goku's trials on Yardrat. However, if that original-level and the Yardratean character Soba should be considered canon, that notion may have to be most likely dismissed. Mainly considering it's a North American made video game.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:02 am

That's the PERFECT answer! That's it then. The thread's finished.

Conan... W-Who are you? You always give cool answers...

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:10 am

Remember, it was filler. It occured during the Garlic, Jr. arc.

uchiha_boy · Post by **uchiha_boy** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:56 am

OK. Thanks everyone, those are some really good theories.

Kanzenshuu

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