Cell's troubling transformations

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:23 pm

Why wasn't Cell created perfect?
How did he re-attain perfect form after blowing himself up?

Best I can figure is this:

After Gero's death, while his computer is monitoring Cell's growth, it does some calculations and realizes that Cell's unique DNA structure could be altered by the Infinite Energy Generators inside 17 and 18, but it isn't sure exactly HOW. Problem: With Gero dead, the computer has no way to get or manufacture anymore IEGs. So the computer tells Cell all about the "full-body absorption" and what it would do if he got 17 and 18.

Cell's nucleus, in this hypothesis, is half organic, half mechanical. The organic part is his conscious brain and can regenerate the rest of him. The mechanical part is his unconscious brain. When he absorbs each cyborg, the mechanical part "remembers" (basically writing to its hard drive) the result of each transformation. When 18 is violently ejected, however, it can't do anything because Cell still has his body. But after the self-destruction, it's able to direct the organic part of his nucleus to rebuild itself differently, into the Perfect Form--which ends up being Super Perfect.

Does that sound good?

(My remaining question: Where the bloody hell does Cell KEEP 17 and 18?)

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:43 pm

I haven't read or watched the Cell saga in a while, so I can't remember all the specific dialouge about the higher purpose of the Cell/Android's relationship... but... sound's like a nice little theory you got there.

Thanos6 wrote:My remaining question: Where the bloody hell does Cell KEEP 17 and 18?)

I would assume it's in his stomach (if he has a stomach?)... Considering when Gohan hit him hard enough he actually puked up #18... Unless, for some reason, he's puking the contents from another part of his body...! I'll have to study my Cell schematics.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:03 pm

Just doesn't look like there's enough room in his body to keep two human bodies...

MisterFlashdude · Post by **MisterFlashdude** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:08 pm

Thanos6 wrote:Just doesn't look like there's enough room in his body to keep two human bodies...

At first, I was going to pull out a crazy fan-theory about how maybe they're like digested going up the tail... but then I remember he puked out #18 whole and completely unharmed... so my fan-theory died young.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:11 pm

Maybe they are, and then get turned back to normal when he throws them up...

Hell, maybe he has a dimensional warp inside his chest.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:20 pm

Thanos6 wrote:Maybe they are, and then get turned back to normal when he throws them up...

Hell, maybe he has a dimensional warp inside his chest.

That wouldn't surprise me, since Cell has literally billions of other bio-organic... stuff... yeah, stuff, that's it...;

going on in his body.

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:33 pm

Thanos6 wrote:Why wasn't Cell created perfect?
How did he re-attain perfect form after blowing himself up?

Best I can figure is this:

After Gero's death, while his computer is monitoring Cell's growth, it does some calculations and realizes that Cell's unique DNA structure could be altered by the Infinite Energy Generators inside 17 and 18, but it isn't sure exactly HOW. Problem: With Gero dead, the computer has no way to get or manufacture anymore IEGs. So the computer tells Cell all about the "full-body absorption" and what it would do if he got 17 and 18.

Cell's nucleus, in this hypothesis, is half organic, half mechanical. The organic part is his conscious brain and can regenerate the rest of him. The mechanical part is his unconscious brain. When he absorbs each cyborg, the mechanical part "remembers" (basically writing to its hard drive) the result of each transformation. When 18 is violently ejected, however, it can't do anything because Cell still has his body. But after the self-destruction, it's able to direct the organic part of his nucleus to rebuild itself differently, into the Perfect Form--which ends up being Super Perfect.

Does that sound good?

(My remaining question: Where the bloody hell does Cell KEEP 17 and 18?)

First question: The reason why Cell was able to keep his Perfect Form was because of the fact that he had Saiyajin cells in him. That last self-destruct happened, which occured as a MAJOR near-death experience, boosted his power enough that he would transform into his "super" Kanzentai form.

Second question: Here's my theory on it. After absorbing #17 and #18, they become part of his internal structure, thanks to his brain's mechanism to absorb. Due to this mechanism, their atoms become fused with his, transforming his whole atomic structure, therefore transforming him into a new being. Gohan's kick to Cell's head was enough for the brain to rupture that mechanism, and break apart some of those bonds, causing #18's body to reform, and get spit out of him.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:42 pm

First question: The reason why Cell was able to keep his Perfect Form was because of the fact that he had Saiyajin cells in him. That last self-destruct happened, which occured as a MAJOR near-death experience, boosted his power enough that he would transform into his "super" Kanzentai form.

But how would that replace whatever was lost with 17 and 18? If the Saiyan power-up is the only reason, why wouldn't he be a massively powered-up Imperfect Cell?

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Hey, it's what Toriyama wrote in the manga, so I'm going with that.

You could say that the power-up was so large that Cell couldn't retain it in his 2nd form, and his cells upgraded his body to it's Kanzentai form, due to cell memorization (I dunno, it's possible), and how Freeza transforms to access greater amounts of power.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Thanos6 wrote:
First question: The reason why Cell was able to keep his Perfect Form was because of the fact that he had Saiyajin cells in him. That last self-destruct happened, which occured as a MAJOR near-death experience, boosted his power enough that he would transform into his "super" Kanzentai form.
But how would that replace whatever was lost with 17 and 18? If the Saiyan power-up is the only reason, why wouldn't he be a massively powered-up Imperfect Cell?

Toriyama was getting tired, fed-up, and bored. So there.

Seriously, if you counted up all of the plot-holes and contradictions in the series, it'd take to the ends of time.

Butb that doesn't mean we don't still love it to little tiny bits and pieces!!

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:56 pm

Oh, I know, I love it too.

But as a worshipper at the altar of Mark Gruenwald, trying to fix plotholes is one of my religious duties.

tarsonis · Post by **tarsonis** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:18 pm

I'm going to say that once he absorbed the two androids, his cells 'remembered' his perfect form, so in the event he was mostly destroyed, he could still be perfect. It's for the same reason that any part of him that gets destroyed in his perfect stage will grow back with the characteristics of his perfect form, and not like those of a previous imperfect form. As far as why he would change back to imperfect once he throws up #18, but be perfect after exploding, must have something to do with him regenerating when only the nucleus is left. A design flaw in his favor.

supersaiyanguru · Post by **supersaiyanguru** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:53 pm

My question is why is cell considered perfect, ignoring the fact that he could be overpowered by gohan, when his energy is finite? shouldn't he have at least unlimited energy, like the androids he absorbed?

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:27 pm

Having unlimited energy does not equal invulnerability.

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:59 pm

Well Cell is perfect when it comes to design but that does'nt mean he could'nt be overpowered.

Post by **TripleRach** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:56 pm

supersaiyanguru wrote:My question is why is cell considered perfect, ignoring the fact that he could be overpowered by gohan, when his energy is finite? shouldn't he have at least unlimited energy, like the androids he absorbed?

Well, the Japanese term used is "kanzen", which can also mean "complete". Absorbing #17 and #18 was his mission, you could say, so he's perfect/complete once he's done that.

But like others have said, unlimited energy doesn't make him invincible. Hell, it didn't make #17 or #18 invincible either.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:02 pm

For his returning to Perfect form, I think it's like this. The reason he reverted in the first place was because he'd been so damaged that his body couldn't hold itself together. Thus 18's expulsion and his reversion. Then, when he blew himself up, since only his 'core' part remained, it was able to regenerate his body based on the data it had of his Perfect Form.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:04 pm

Thanos6 wrote: How did he re-attain perfect form after blowing himself up?

My best guess would be that once he transforms it would be permenant like Freeza's transformations.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:10 pm

future_trunks wrote:
Thanos6 wrote: How did he re-attain perfect form after blowing himself up?
My best guess would be that once he transforms it would be permenant like Freeza's transformations.

Freeza's transformations weren't permanent.

future_trunks · Post by **future_trunks** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:12 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
future_trunks wrote:
Thanos6 wrote: How did he re-attain perfect form after blowing himself up?
My best guess would be that once he transforms it would be permenant like Freeza's transformations.
Freeza's transformations weren't permanent.

Oh yea sorry, my bad

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