Eventual Strength of "Minor" Fighter Characters

[Kaboom]

Hi there. I decided I'd like to start an interesting topic.

How strong would you say some of the more "minor," (i.e. non-Saiyan) characters ever became? In either terms of comparison, or, God help us all, PL numbers? (Please don't) Use evidence from the manga/anime when talking, please. For example... (And mind you, this is only some random, half-remembered, hypothetical example that I just pullled out of my heinie, so don't take it seriosly or flame me or set my house aflame or anything like that over it...)

I'd say the strongest Tenshinhan ever got was somewhere around the same level as the higher-up members of the Ginyu Force, based on his and the others' matching up against them on Kaio-Sama's planet

See? Even though that reasoning may be completely bogus for all I know (Heh... I said "bogus..."), that's the kind of response I'm hoping for. Whether it be Chi-chi, Oolong, Farmer Bob, Kuririn, "Generic Freeza Victim Namekian #24," Neko Majin, or whoever! Doesn't matter who! If they ever fought anyone, then they're fair game! Let 'em rip!

[the1payday]

i'd say by the end of Dragon Ball Z Tenshinhan would be about as strong as #18 in the cell saga. Kuririn would be a little weaker then that....and yamcha would be a little weaker then that. I think that by the end of Z Tenshinhan and Kuririn would both be able to decimate Final form Freeza, but Yamcha probably couldn't. This is just my own opinion.

[Aremke]

I recently wrote a short speculative essay about this sort of thing on my own site regarding Yamcha's potential, though it only extends itself to when the androids appeared. Still it shows, in my mind, that he's much stronger than given credit for, and there's no reason he couldn't become even moreso by the Buu arc. It references a few manga scans to boot.

http://www.rmkworld.net/ELSEWHERE/yamchapower.htm

[Mr. Announcer]

Oh man, Aremke, have I ever told you how much I love that comic of yours?

Anyway, I'd have a hard time believing that any of the human fighters ever became more powerful than Freeza. I mean that gap was just huge and during the seven years I doubt anyone other than Tenshinhan and Chaozu were training anymore. If anyone actually did, I would go with Tenshinhan since training is his life.

[Deus ex Machina]

Yamcha becomes stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Yamcha easily defeats Olibu, who was equally strong as weighted Paikuhan, who himself was stronger than Cell.

Therefore, Yamcha is the strongest human in the world, bar non.

[the1payday]

Yamcha becomes stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Yamcha easily defeats Olibu, who was equally strong as weighted Paikuhan, who himself was stronger than Cell.

Therefore, Yamcha is the strongest human in the world, bar non.

This WAS filler however...as was the ginyu force battle on Kaio-sama's planet. With that logic...yamcha was stronger then Gohan when he fought Dabra. (remember it is assumed that Dabra is a little weaker then Cell, and Gohan couldn't beat him because he hadn't trained seriously in a while) So could Yamcha or any of the humans for that matter have beaten Dabra at the time? Of couse not. Although I like the filler's trying to give more importance to some backup characters like Yamcha, Kuririn, and Ten....it doesn't necessarily work very well.

[Deus ex Machina]

Filler shmiller, Yamcha is the strongest man in the universe.

If he had wanted to he could've just walked over and bitch slapped Majin Boo, but like Goku he wanted Trunks and Goten to save the Earth. So he stepped back, and graciously allowed himself to be killed.

Then once on the Grand Kaio's world he didn't mind using his full power. He doesn't need any multiple transformations to kick ass, unlike several spikey blond haired alien show stealers.

[the1payday]

Oh haha! I completely understand now! I was neglecting the fact that Yamcha is the all powerful...but you've forgotten Chaouzu! He could have taken on Buu with Vegitto, Gohan, Super Gotenks, and Piccolo absorbed!

[Duo]

Well, Yamcha's best was at least as strong as Goku's very best during the Saiyan arc. Maybe greater? I don't think it would exceede that of Captain Ginyu's maximum.

As for Kuririn and Tenshinhan...well, it's hard to say. But, if I had to cap it off, I'd say they never surpassed Freeza's 3rd Stage. And that's being generous.

[Aremke]

Yamcha becomes stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Yamcha easily defeats Olibu, who was equally strong as weighted Paikuhan, who himself was stronger than Cell.

Therefore, Yamcha is the strongest human in the world, bar non.

Good thing sarcasm isn't lost on me.

I'd like to note that in my references to Yamcha's potential, I didn't use any filler as a source for argument, nor did I say "Yamcha is stronger than x". I merely wanted to show he's far better than given credit for and has the potential to be far greater.

There never was really any cap on human power and even the weakest of em all is strong enough to blow up a friggin moon. The premise is already far out there. It is after all, Dragonball, and I don't see any real basic difference between humans and saiyans except for the obviously insane natural physical adaption traits (power gains) of the latter (also tails and Super Saiyan if you want to nitpick). They're similar enough to breed after all.

That being said, one of the reasons I enjoy filler, not only because hey, it's more Dragonball, is that it fleshes out a lot of ideas and concepts that are merely hinted at, obvious or no, in the canon source. Yes, it's often contradictory and yes, sometimes it's quite bad, but a lot of it is also fun. If it doesn't necessarily contradict anything, I don't have a problem with it. Some people do however flip out regarding it like "OMG thatz not caNon U suck!11!!" Take it or leave it, I say.

Anyway, this topic isn't only about Yamcha. I was just throwing in my two cents regarding a minor fighting character whom I'm fond of. Anyone else?

Oh and Announcer Guy, I had no idea you liked my comic ^_^ I'm an admirer of your work honestly. I didn't think you'd even noticed my existence, so yeah, thank you

[Xyex]

Yamcha becomes stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Yamcha easily defeats Olibu, who was equally strong as weighted Paikuhan, who himself was stronger than Cell.

Therefore, Yamcha is the strongest human in the world, bar non.

*ignores the saracasm to make point*

We can't know if Olibu was being completely serious in that fight or if he was just un-aware of Yamcha's strength and was caught by suprise.

As for the Olibu/Pikkon/Cell matter... Pikkon caught Cell tottally by suprise, hence the easy win. Though, his power without the weights could by close to Cell's, thus why Goku got his butt kicked in the tournament. He'd have lost if not for that last second Warp Kamehameha trick to get the ring out.

*end that point*

As for the topic of the thread... I'd say that, come the Buu Saga, Tien was probably close to second form Freeza's power, at the most. Krillin would have been somewhere between first and second form Freeza and I doubt Yamcha ever got much stronger than Ginyu.

[Drunken Master]

Kuririn in the Boo saga would be pretty weak. Like Gohan, he didn't train for nearly seven years. Android saga Kuririn would be stronger. I don't know how strong that is though.

[Xyex]

Kuririn in the Boo saga would be pretty weak. Like Gohan, he didn't train for nearly seven years. Android saga Kuririn would be stronger. I don't know how strong that is though.

Hence why I figure he's between First and Second form Freeza somewhere. If he'd have trained he could have been closer to 3rd Form Freeza's power.

And I still say if Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai and onward) went back in time to the 21st Budokai, she could beat everyone but Goku and Roshi. XD

[Chaos Saiyajin]

In my honest opinion, Uub would be the strongest on Earth. First off, he is now fused with Majin Boo as well as being trained by Son himself. That usually doesn't qualify you for weakest.

Next up, I say, would probably be a little someone known as #18, as of course, being a cyborg, she never does run out of energy and I suppose that she'd probably go on with her little fight for money scheme after Kuririn kicked the bucket (eventually), which would lead her power to increase.

I'm not even going to start on the other human characters, as the only one still in fighting shape would be Tenshinhan after GT.

[desirecampbell]

In my honest opinion, Uub would be the strongest on Earth. First off, he is now fused with Majin Boo as well as being trained by Son himself. That usually doesn't qualify you for weakest.

Next up, I say, would probably be a little someone known as #18, as of course, being a cyborg, she never does run out of energy and I suppose that she'd probably go on with her little fight for money scheme after Kuririn kicked the bucket (eventually), which would lead her power to increase.

I'm not even going to start on the other human characters, as the only one still in fighting shape would be Tenshinhan after GT.

Uub! Everyone forgot Uub.

We all feel pretty slow now