DBZ Sensing Abilities?

[superstar]

DBZ characters use them in so many different ways, It seems like they do not have just the average five senses that humans use. My question is are their senses Divine?

[DaemonCorps]

Well, it's not exactly like the Z gang has more than 5 senses. It's more like they have an ability to sense other people's Ki. I wouldn't call these senses divine or whatnot; it's just another weird superhuman ability that the Z fighters picked up through training.

[superstar]

I would say that there senses are divine because Sensing Ki is basically sensing spirit! DBZ characters have shown to sense characters lightyears away. With these senses they have shown that they don't need eyes too see, Sensing allows them to have precognitive abilities in my opinion.

[DaemonCorps]

I would say that there senses are divine because Sensing Ki is basically sensing spirit!

While that's true, Toriyama doesn't really spotlight as much on that idea, outside of seeing all of the spirits lining up to be judged by Enma. He actually takes a more technical route when it comes to sensing spirits. For example, your eye sight is only as good as how far you can see. Similarly, Goku wasn't able to sense the Nameks on New Namek from Earth, so he want to Kaio's place to "see better" (er I guess sense better).

With these senses they have shown that they don't need eyes too see, Sensing allows them to have precognitive abilities in my opinion.

By the 23rd Budoukai, all of the main fighters had the ability to sense Ki (even Roshi!). However, note that in the Tenshinhan/Goku fight, Ten wasn't able to pinpoint Goku's exact location when blinded by Goku's Taiyoken. Apparently, sensing Ki and sensing actual objects (and being able to see what they're doing) are two separate things.

So... I guess you could say that the Z guys have divine powers, but also realize that in the Dragon World, you could take a plane to visit God and cities are inhabited by animal-people .

Also, as a side thing, try not to confuse you "there," "their," and "they're"s. Just something I noticed.

[desirecampbell]

Saying that the ability to sense ki is a 'divine power' is a bit discredulous. The ability to sense ki seems to be exactly the same as manipulating your own ki - it's just an ability that increases in power as you train it. Though manipulatin one's ki could also be called 'divine'.

So, while these abilities could be seen as 'godly'; because everyone seems to be able to use them (even Videl, after some training) and the fact that it's not established as anything except a technique, I would conclude that such an ability isn't 'divine' in nature.

[superstar]

While that's true, Toriyama doesn't really spotlight as much on that idea, outside of seeing all of the spirits lining up to be judged by Enma. He actually takes a more technical route when it comes to sensing spirits. For example, your eye sight is only as good as how far you can see. Similarly, Goku wasn't able to sense the Nameks on New Namek from Earth, so he want to Kaio's place to "see better" (er I guess sense better).

Well I remember Super Buu was able to Sense Gohan in Kaoishins World even before he became Mystic Gohan (Final Warrior)!.

By the 23rd Budoukai, all of the main fighters had the ability to sense Ki (even Roshi!). However, note that in the Tenshinhan/Goku fight, Ten wasn't able to pinpoint Goku's exact location when blinded by Goku's Taiyoken. Apparently, sensing Ki and sensing actual objects (and being able to see what they're doing) are two separate things.

Maybe so huh?

So... I guess you could say that the Z guys have divine powers, but also realize that in the Dragon World, you could take a plane to visit God and cities are inhabited by animal-people .

Yeah I think the senses are divine because it is not the average senses were talking about.

Also, as a side thing, try not to confuse you "there," "their," and "they're"s. Just something I noticed.

Oh Thankyou so much I am sorry about that. Sometimes I get confused with my There's.

I do remember Mr. Popo and Goku's training. Mr. Popo knew where Goku was going to attack, he did not even need his eyes to see Goku's Movements. I say they are divine.

[desirecampbell]

Again, even precognition is not especially 'divine'. In fact, from what we see in DragonBall there seems to be no 'divine' powers other than forcing reincarnation. All other abilities are shown to be used by 'mortals' and nothing is ever said about these abilities being anything but a martial arts technique.

[Ricochet0082]

I don't think of it as devine in any way. Think of yourself in a pool with your eyes closed. Someone comes swimming up to you and you can feel and hear the waves as they get closer. Do the same thing with a fish and it's harder to feel any movement in the water from that fish. That's what some of the fighters are able to do in the series, control what their opponents feel. A fighter who can't control their ki very well will cause their opponent to feel their movements just like someone splashing in a pool. If a fighter can control their ki, they can move around without making a disturbance and get right up to whomever they are fighting without being noticed. That's how I veiw it all.

[DaemonCorps]

Again, even precognition is not especially 'divine'. In fact, from what we see in DragonBall there seems to be no 'divine' powers other than forcing reincarnation. All other abilities are shown to be used by 'mortals' and nothing is ever said about these abilities being anything but a martial arts technique.

THANK YOU!

Anyways, for the sake of actually making a post that counts, Toriyama never really makes that big of a deal about stuff like divinity. I mean, he even has:
- Lunch kick Kami into Ten's Kikoho-made hole during the Piccolo/Goku fight
- Goku be a candidate for the next Kami
- the Kaios train warriors

Gods etc. in the Dragon World are just like any other guy off the street.

[superstar]

So let me get this straight....

You guys are telling me that sensing characters lightyears away and having precognitive abilities is not devine?

Then what is devine to you guys in DBZ?

[desirecampbell]

So let me get this straight....

You guys are telling me that sensing characters lightyears away and having precognitive abilities is not devine?

Exactly.

Then what is devine to you guys in DBZ?

In a word: 'Nothing'.

[DaemonCorps]

Then what is devine to you guys in DBZ?

In a word: 'Nothing'.

You could say that the Kaios etc. are Gods in an Aetheist World where they can be smacked around like li'l girls by spikey haired battle-junkies.

[Sebastian (SB)]

Then what is devine to you guys in DBZ?

In a word: 'Nothing'.

Yep, just like how death is nothing more of a frivolous matter for in the Dragon Ball universe that it shouldn't even be considered "death".

[Steven Perry]

Can someone please tell me whether or not the author of this site is being serious? I couldn't help but laugh my head off.

http://www.angelfire.com/dragon2/ki2/index.html

What a waste of time... living in delusion.

[superstar]

So if DBZ senses are not divine, including their precognitive abilities. What to you guys are divine senses?

[Domon]

I think clarification might be needed here. How exactly are you defining "divine"? Is it something granted by god? The problem with that idea is that god in the DB world is a old wrinkly green alien. That, or a young non-wrinkly green alien.


So again, what is "divine", and how do you define it?

[superstar]

Well I meant divine as in Supernatural, heavenly something God like.

[Domon]

But as pointed out, "god" is just a green alien with no memories of his homeland, and even his one "divine" creation(those things the show are named after ) is just something that his race is able to produce without any "heavenly" input.

Even the higher-up beings in the dragon world are not what we'd think of as "divine". Kaio-sama's idea of a pastime is seeing how far he can pee, Dai-Kaio is an aging hipster, and the elder Kaio-shin likes pornos.

So in the context of the dragon world, what are we even talking about here?

[superstar]

compared to other animes and the DC/Marvel universe. I have seen no such senses in other animes/mangas.

[Mr. Announcer]

Well as far as we know, Dragonball still has magic right? And godly magic at that. Kami has the ability to create the Dragonballs, Piccolo can produce clothing out of thin air, and Karin and Kami can see everything that happens on earth (it's not just good eyesight, right?). That's not quite as physical as sensing ki so I guess one could call that divine, even if god is just a wrinkly old alien.