When was Goten conceved?

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:32 am

I was reading the discussion over here
http://db.kittenthecat.com/2006-08-21/g ... onception/

What are your thoughts on this? I'm leaning towards the week before the Cell Games. Though its never stated.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:03 pm

Well, they could've done it every night when Goku was around, so you can't really tell. I'm also guessing the week before the Cell Games. I always thought so, actually.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:52 pm

I don't think it could have been the 10 days before the Cell Games. In the anime (and it could've been hinted at in the manga, I'm not sure) that Goten was born shortly after Goku's fight with Cell. My money's on shortly before the Jinzoningen attacked.

EDIT: "Shortly after Goku's fight with Cell" doesn't have to be literal. D'oh! ;_;

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:06 pm

Hmmm... my bet's on the 10 days before the Cell games. It was the only time in the whole story arc where Goku's seen spending time just sitting around and relaxing, so it'd make sense. Besides, didn't Gohan go stay with Piccolo and company for a part of those days, idealy leaving Goku and Chi-Chi with the house to themselves for a while...?

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:24 pm

Goten never got concieved.

Due to a timeline paradox, where Mirai Trunks and Chibi Trunks met, Chibi Trunks brain structure got a bit messed up, aswell as ChiChi's, making them think that Goten existed.

Gohan and the others pretend that Goten exists to show mercy for Trunks and ChiChi.

In the Budokai fight, Trunks was fighting himself, not Goten. That's why people get so surprised about his fighting. You know, like in the movie Fight Club?

j/k

I believe like you others that ChiChi's egg got fused with Goku's sperm around one week before the Cell games. I believe that the happy couple had their fine moments while Gohan was absent. You know, before the humanity was going to be erased.

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:39 pm

Ohh, not subtle Godo.... Anyway, you've got about 3 months before a visible pregnancy so it really could have been anytime between the last bit of time they spent training before the androids and the 10 days prior to the Cell games. Of course, they were conveniently alone the day before the Cell games after Gokuh finished collecting the dragonballs but just because they may have done it then doesn't necessarily mean that Goten was concieved that time. Geez....they're cartoon characters. This seems wrong somehow.

kvon · Post by **kvon** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:46 pm

No wonder Goku was always happy and smiling before the Cell Games.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:02 pm

That's what I would assume...Goku at his max-power then, if we go by the "father passing strength to son" theory (Goten with forest almost equal to Trunks with gravity room).

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:35 pm

The definative answer: Goten was concieved while Gohan was making T'ao Pai Pai shit himself!

kvon wrote:No wonder Goku was always happy and smiling before the Cell Games.

Amen.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:37 pm

I'm sure there's a doujin about that somewhere... out there.... in the vast and strange world of doujin...

Aaaanyway. I'm going with what Mr. Announcer said, Chi-Chi probably drugged Goku for a second time during that period. (I still don't think that Goku ever took the initiative in sexual matters. XD Let alone figured it all out)

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:43 pm

Hey, I like to give him a little more credit than that... Afterall, creatures with nowhere near our level of intelligence can figure it out.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:44 pm

Pedro The Hutt wrote:I'm sure there's a doujin about that somewhere... out there.... in the vast and strange world of doujin...

I've seen at least two.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:50 pm

Mr. Announcer wrote:Hey, I like to give him a little more credit than that... Afterall, creatures with nowhere near our level of intelligence can figure it out.

Well, yeah, but Son Goku has always struck me as the epitome of innocence. XD

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:18 pm

Little off-topic, but the same goes for any innoncent-minded characters, like Monkey D. Luffy.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:21 pm

I think Goku didn't want to pay any kind of child support, thats why he took his time teleporting to Kaiosama's planet

... and also Goten was obviously conceived during when Goku had the heart virus: either Chi-Chi had his way with him or Goten is Yamcha's son and he ask Shenron to make him half saiyan

... seriously though, the series was suppose to end with the Cell Game. I like to think that Goten was made to have a little reminder of Goku around (because the series was supposed to be about Gohan), I also believe that Goten's only purpose was for fusion. I mean look at his character design: took a lot of work there, his personality, and how Chi-Chi treats him.

Geez....they're cartoon characters. This seems wrong somehow.

You read my mind like you wouldn't even know, Mr.A.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:42 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:I also believe that Goten's only purpose was for fusion. I mean look at his character design: took a lot of work there, his personality, and how Chi-Chi treats him.

Hmm. I wouldn't go that far. My opinion is that his purpose was along the lines of what you mentioned earlier: a reminder of Goku.

Granted, anything we say regarding Toriyama-sensei's purpose and intent is pure speculation. But from what I understand, an idea was tossed around (when it was decided the manga would continue) that Goku wouldn't even have a role after Cell and that Gohan would be the show's
focus . . . and so in concert with the need for new characters and as a way of proving how much time had passed between sagas, I like to believe Goten was created from the idea that his father wasn't going to be around as much as he actually was. Gohan having Goten for a little brother, I think, keeps the spirit of their father on Earth even with him gone.

And at the same time, of course, explains his obvious character design.

As for when Goten was conceived? I think it's impossible to say for sure. But if we factor in that Goten is seven years old or more when first introduced, then I say that we should ignore ChiChi's unswollen belly during Cell and assume that Goten was born no more than a month after the Cell Games. The seven years between Cell and Buu demand it. Otherwise, the pregnancy itself would take almost a year's time and Goten would be closer to six years rather than seven by the time we're reintroduced into the story.

Therefore, I find it impossible he could have been conceived during the 10 days. His conception had to be much earlier, though I can't guess when.

Goten's conception has always been an issue of debate, just like how/why he can become a Super Saiyan at an early age. I imagine it will continue to be as such.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:39 pm

I know but (I didn't want to go this far) in GT he is almost never used. I mean seriously every character is known for something or has a purpose. I don't know about you but "kamekameha" doesn't cut too deep as far as dimensional characters go. I'm actually astonished at the fact that chibi_goten hasn't commented on this yet..

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:56 pm

Goten is one of the rare characters who really doesn't quite work by himself. His "full potential," so to speak, is only brought out when he's hanging with Trunks, and that's when the differences between him and Goku really come out and make him an individual.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:23 pm

Well, in May of 774, Goten is said to be seven years old (if I recall correctly). So, he must have been born between June 766 and May 767 - and thus cinceived between September 765 and August 766.

But the Cell Games are in May of 767... so Goten should have been born before the Cell Games.

So, was Goten stated to be 7 years old? If so, then there are some problems. Or am I just mistaken about his age?

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:30 pm

No, he was mentioned as being 7 at the Budokai...