An Addendum To My Previous Post (Dragonball Super The Anime isn't returning)

[AdventurousAugustus]

No one and no thing is safe from criticism. Not even myself...
If you want to see what my previous post is, here's the link to it: Dragonball Super The Anime isn't returning viewtopic.php?f=7&t=43322
This one is basically an addendum, or additional material, to the previous one.
This post is basically about 2 things:
1. The Problems I have with the claim I made in my previous post
2. The Problems I have with the opposing side (those who claim Dragonball Super IS coming back)

The Problems I have with the claim I made in my previous post
As you know, I'm human, so I'm bound to make mistakes or make an incorrect or inappropriate claim at some point or another in my life. In this section of my post, I'm going to highlight and respond to some of those incorrect or inappropriate claims I made in my previous post.
If you've read the claim I made in the heading of my previous post, you would know that I claimed that Dragonball Super The Anime isn't returning. I particularly have a problem with that title, mainly because I feel as though it's rather inappropriate.
I claimed that Dragonball Super The Anime wasn't returning, which I now realize was an inappropriate claim since it was never confirmed that the Dragonball Super anime wasn't returning. Nowhere in the tweets, Toriyama's comments or Jump Festa was it announced that the Dragonball Super anime wasn't returning, which is why I see the claim I made where I said it wasn't returning to be inappropriate.

Another thing I did was I tried to justify my claim by using the flawed logic of "well it wasn't said, so it might not be possible". I thought that since Toriyama and Jump Festa never said that Dragonball Super was returning, then I assumed that it never was returning.
Obviously, that sort of logic is EXTREMELY flawed because of how you can make that same assumption to justify Super returning by saying "since they never said Super WOULDN'T return, that must mean that IT WILL RETURN!" Obviously, this would cause an extremely stupid debate, which is why I found it to be inappropriate to use that sort of logic to justify my claim. Not only that, but it also ties into the next segment of this post...

The Problems I have with the opposing side (those who claim Dragonball Super IS coming back)
The problem I have with those who tried to argue against the claim of Dragonball Super isn't coming back with the counterclaim that it IS coming back is that some people utilize the same flawed logic I used to justify their claim.
Some believe that since Toriyama and Jump Festa never said that Dragonball Super wasn't returning, then it must mean that it WILL return, which is flawed logic on its own for the reasons I already stated above.

Now, with that out of the way, Merry Christmas!

[superfan2024]

The anime is coming back. It's already been officially privately discussed by members of the fandom (AnimeAjay, go check out his latest videos and you'll find out yourself). The anime has began development since October. We're getting a new anime in 2019, whether in April, July, or October. End of discussion.

[TheRed259]

Exactly!

Whether it will come back or not is unknown.

The anime is coming back.

The anime may come back.

[Forte224]

Exactly!

Whether it will come back or not is unknown.

The anime is coming back.

The anime may come back.

Watch AnimeAjay's videos my man. He knows people, and those people know things, and those things include the anime coming back. He's proven himself to know people and to be a trustworthy source. Study up on sources.

Also look how much money Super has made Toei, and then use common sense. I honestly don't know why you're so insistent on all this. Do you just want recognition or something? Frankly, nobody cares what you have to say about this, and that's simply because you're making sweeping claims about things you've obviously done zero research on.

[Skar]

Watch AnimeAjay's videos my man. He knows people, and those people know things, and those things include the anime coming back. He's proven himself to know people and to be a trustworthy source. Study up on sources.

Also look how much money Super has made Toei, and then use common sense. I honestly don't know why you're so insistent on all this. Do you just want recognition or something? Frankly, nobody cares what you have to say about this, and that's simply because you're making sweeping claims about things you've obviously done zero research on.

I'm not doubting AnimeAjay or Geekdom but I'm curious how they met these sources and if the sources themselves are 100% reliable. What would be the incentive for these insiders to risk their jobs by sharing information to Youtubers that they know will be revealed in a video? If these sources are working on the new anime, wouldn't they have known that there wasn't going to be an announcement during Jump Festa?

[superfan2024]

Exactly!

Whether it will come back or not is unknown.

The anime is coming back.

The anime may come back.

The anime is coming back. It's 100 percent coming back. It will be back next year. It's already been privately confirmed. It's already been in development since October. Regardless of confirmation it was already so obvious it's coming next year. Stop doubting what's already in set. Case closed. Enough of the speculation.

[Gyt Kaliba]

While I can certainly agree with the aspect of not saying it is coming back, until we have a formal announcement...it seems pretty obvious, even without having seen Ajay's videos, that it's likely coming back in some manner. Dragon Ball is as hot of a property now as it's ever been monetarily, as proven by the success of 'Broly' in theaters so far, and the sales of Xenoverse 2 and FighterZ and other merchandise has been doing great as well. There's also the new arc that's started up in the Super manga. So really, it seems pretty obvious that the anime is coming back in some form in the near-ish future. Will it be next year? Hard to say for sure. Will it still be called Super? Also hard to call, but I'd venture a guess at 'yes'. Will it be more movies instead of a long-form series? Also hard to call for sure. But Dragon Ball isn't done just yet, we can call that for certain.

[TheRed259]

Watch AnimeAjay's videos my man. He knows people, and those people know things, and those things include the anime coming back. He's proven himself to know people and to be a trustworthy source. Study up on sources.

I have watched these videos but I am also thinking about what Skar said in his post here plus the fact that there is that language barrier. I am not saying Ajay is wrong but I think it's safier to wait for an official announcement.

Also look how much money Super has made Toei, and then use common sense. I honestly don't know why you're so insistent on all this. Do you just want recognition or something? Frankly, nobody cares what you have to say about this, and that's simply because you're making sweeping claims about things you've obviously done zero research on.

Why nobody cares what I have to say? Because I am not saying that the series is 100% coming back like most people do? Toriyama and Toei haven't confirmed anything regarding a new series yet. We don't know whether it will come back or not. Yes, most likely there will be a new series but for now there isn't any official announcement.

[Forte224]

Watch AnimeAjay's videos my man. He knows people, and those people know things, and those things include the anime coming back. He's proven himself to know people and to be a trustworthy source. Study up on sources.

I have watched these videos but I am also thinking about what Skar said in his post here plus the fact that there is that language barrier. I am not saying Ajay is wrong but I think it's safier to wait for an official announcement.

Also look how much money Super has made Toei, and then use common sense. I honestly don't know why you're so insistent on all this. Do you just want recognition or something? Frankly, nobody cares what you have to say about this, and that's simply because you're making sweeping claims about things you've obviously done zero research on.

Why nobody cares what I have to say? Because I am not saying that the series is 100% coming back like most people do? Toriyama and Toei haven't confirmed anything regarding a new series yet. We don't know whether it will come back or not. Yes, most likely there will be a new series but for now there isn't any official announcement.

I got you mixed up with the OP, my sincerest apologies. The YouTube video he made combined with his insistence on being correct about...nothing really, frankly makes him seem kind of desperate for attention.

And, yes, it isn't confirmed to be coming back. But just based on the money it's made any tiny shred of common sense tells us it is. If someone wants to argue semantics and say "But it hasn't been confirmed!!!!!!" then I guess go ahead but 1. The writing is on the wall, and 2. What's the point of arguing that in the first place? What does it accomplish?

[TheRed259]

I got you mixed up with the OP, my sincerest apologies.

It's okay man.

But I think that his post here is correct since nobody can say that it's confirmed to come back same way nobody can say that it's confirmed to not come back. As I said above, there is a strong possibility that the series will come back but I think it's safier to wait an official announcement.

And, yes, it isn't confirmed to be coming back. But just based on the money it's made any tiny shred of common sense tells us it is.

I wonder if there was any major drop in sales when Super ended. Because that would make them bring a new series a lot sooner.

[Skar]

I got you mixed up with the OP, my sincerest apologies. The YouTube video he made combined with his insistence on being correct about...nothing really, frankly makes him seem kind of desperate for attention.

And, yes, it isn't confirmed to be coming back. But just based on the money it's made any tiny shred of common sense tells us it is. If someone wants to argue semantics and say "But it hasn't been confirmed!!!!!!" then I guess go ahead but 1. The writing is on the wall, and 2. What's the point of arguing that in the first place? What does it accomplish?

I do think they'll try to milk it until they completely run out of ideas. Like most long-running franchises, Dragonball has kinda reached the point of "redundancy" with many of the new ideas being variations of what we've seen before. If it does continue, we would probably see a bigger tournament, a new SSJ form, another ancient sealed monster, or another former villain coming back for revenge.

I'm more curious about the sources that are revealing this information to AnimeAjay and Geekdom. How did these foreign Youtubers meet employees at Toei and why do these insiders continue to leak information that they know will be revealed in a video? The Youtubers get views but what do these insiders gain that's worth risking their jobs? I'm also surprised none of these sources knew that wasn't going to be a new anime announcement at Jump Festa. From I've seen, Geekdom and AnimeAjay have been reliable in the past so I don't think they would make it up and maybe the sources are purposely not sharing accurate information or they don't know as much as they claim.

[Lord Beerus]

I'm gonna keep track of this thread for the inevitable announcement of Super's return...

[Skar]

I'm gonna keep track of this thread for the inevitable announcement of Super's return...

To be fair, I don't think it's difficult to predict that there's a good chance it might continue either as another movie or anime.

1. The Broly movie ended with Freeza still alive. After three failed attempts at revenge, he's probably going to try again. I don't know if he gets killed again or reforms so there's likely going to be some conclusion for him at least.

2. Toyotaro said something about DBS eventually leading into EoZ. Since Toriyama decided to have all these storylines before EoZ, I'm assuming that will be ending unless he changes his mind and continues past it.

3. Nothing has been announced to replace Kitaro. If it does end this year, the anime that takes its timeslot will most likely start at a new cour so April, July, or October.

These are obvious predictions that could be made without having any insider sources. If the anime does return, no one should really say "I told you so" or "this proves my sources are true" because anyone could make these predictions. I just don't think Youtubers should make definitive claims unless they can share their sources and prove that it's more than just a prediction. Whenever I hear someone online claim to have an insider sources, I always question what that source would gain from leaking that information. If I worked at one of these companies, I might share some information with close friends for their personal knowledge but not if they're going to spread it online and risk me losing my job. I'm not sure if I'll get an answer to this question or how none of these multiple sources were able to tell them there wasn't going to be any major announcement at this huge yearly event.

[TheRed259]

These are obvious predictions that could be made without having any insider sources. If the anime does return, no one should really say "I told you so" or "this proves my sources are true" because anyone could make these predictions. I just don't think Youtubers should make definitive claims unless they can share their sources and prove that it's more than just a prediction. Whenever I hear someone online claim to have an insider sources, I always question what that source would gain from leaking that information. If I worked at one of these companies, I might share some information with close friends for their personal knowledge but not if they're going to spread it online and risk me losing my job. I'm not sure if I'll get an answer to this question or how none of these multiple sources were able to tell them there wasn't going to be any major announcement at this huge yearly event.

Same way people who were saying that the series was ending after the ToP didn't come and say ''I told you so''.

Once again, very interesting thoughts here.

[JohnnyCashKami]

I'm gonna keep track of this thread for the inevitable announcement of Super's return...

It's definitely likely it'll return but probably as a sequel than a continuation of the Super 2015 series. The first Dragon Ball Super movie just came out recently so TOEI will want to profit as much as possible and most of the modern fans love Super as it is.

I just hope that Super 2.0 will be better than the first as I just didn't like it very much (first two seasons were rehashes of the Z Movies 14 and 15, uninteresting characters, bland music, nothing happens of value in episodes, etc - IMO).

[Skar]

Same way people who were saying that the series was ending after the ToP didn't come and say ''I told you so''.

Once again, very interesting thoughts here.

Yeah, that's true. I also thought the anime might end after the ToP due to having a new intro like the Buu saga and how it had huge stakes involving the other universes. It was also speculation and I don't think anyone knew for sure. Did any Youtubers reveal that the ToP was the final saga for the anime or that Broly was going to appear in the new movie before these were formally announced?

[TheRed259]

Yeah, that's true. I also thought the anime might end after the ToP due to having a new intro like the Buu saga and how it had huge stakes involving the other universes.

Yeah, me too. Another reason was Toei Animation Europe's website that was listing the series at 100 episodes.

It was also speculation and I don't think anyone knew for sure. Did any Youtubers reveal that the ToP was the final saga for the anime or that Broly was going to appear in the new movie before these were formally announced?

Do you remember all these videos saying DB Super isn't ending after the ToP because it makes too much money? That's what I remember when it comes to this.

[MozillaVulpix]

Same way people who were saying that the series was ending after the ToP didn't come and say ''I told you so''.

Once again, very interesting thoughts here.

Yeah, that's true. I also thought the anime might end after the ToP due to having a new intro like the Buu saga and how it had huge stakes involving the other universes. It was also speculation and I don't think anyone knew for sure. Did any Youtubers reveal that the ToP was the final saga for the anime or that Broly was going to appear in the new movie before these were formally announced?

People were predicting the end of Super when the last Blu-Ray box was announced to have less episodes than usual. And then when the Kitaro anniversary project was announced. Ajay definitely did a video about that, and those were his reasons. He did have sources tell him things like Yuya Takahashi returning to supervise Episode 122, 131 being directed by Megumi Ishitani and 130 by one of the series directors. Those weren't things that you could necessarily predict without them.

I don't think anyone had sources tell them about Broly, but I know people had sources tell them about Gogeta appearing. It might have been after the Xenoverse datamine, but it was a very well-known secret from information other than that game.

[Skar]

Do you remember all these videos saying DB Super isn't ending after the ToP because it makes too much money? That's what I remember when it comes to this.

Yeah I've heard that a lot. I don't think it's difficult to predict that a series Toei brought back due to its popularity will last longer if more money can be made. I don't think it's that simple and depends on Toriyama though. We know he seems to be struggling to come up with ideas and Shueisha is offering him suggestions. We only know of the ideas that he accepted to use but who knows how many he may have rejected before settling for these. I don't know how long Toriyama will remain involved but I can't see this revival lasting as long as the series' original run.

People were predicting the end of Super when the last Blu-Ray box was announced to have less episodes than usual. And then when the Kitaro anniversary project was announced. Ajay definitely did a video about that, and those were his reasons. He did have sources tell him things like Yuya Takahashi returning to supervise Episode 122, 131 being directed by Megumi Ishitani and 130 by one of the series directors. Those weren't things that you could necessarily predict without them.

I remember the predictions based on Kitaro's return and the Blu-Ray release having fewer episodes after these were formally announced. I meant if any Youtuber had a source that revealed the anime was definitely ending or that Broly was definitely going to appear in the movie before there were any formal announcements. These seem like something an insider would be aware of if they're working at or closely with Toei. I'm not saying this to discredit any Youtubers and the sources themselves aren't that reliable. Unless the Youtubers know these sources personally, they probably can't tell if the information they're given is an actual leak or an prediction based on readily available information. That's why I'm wondering if any source has ever given away major spoilers and not just details that may not necessarily require being an insider to know of.