Why was the American Music changed?

Aoi · Post by **Aoi** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:05 pm

I just saw a few episodes of Dragon ball Z (Majin Buu saga) and the music was very good I thought.
It made me want to watch how the other english episodes were made and the music got better and better.

Why did they change the music so much for Dragon ball GT. I saw the show about 1 week ago in English and I must say it has the worst music I ever heard. It makes the show seem much worst than it really is.

Synthe · Post by **Synthe** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:08 pm

Well it has been a few years gap snice they dubbed DBZ and DBGT, i'm guessing the person who made the music left i guess? and funi just rushed through it.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:15 pm

Mabye Captain Falcouner's contract run out. The only thing I do know is that GT score was horrible. If "you think you know GT", just step into the grand tour..

Some of Falcouner's was pretty good, imo. The SSJ3 ascension theme, Vegeta's themes, and anything that was in Legacy of Goku 2. Now I'm just talking non-sense...

-Rick

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:15 am

For FUNimation's run of DBGT, the common fan theory now-a-days is that they very much wanted to make a drastic change to the series to really get over the fan-stigma it already had.

Think about it... most fans were already not too fond of the series, so what better way to MAKE them actually WANT it than by:

(a) Skipping the entire first saga
(This creates artificial demand by with-holding things... you always want what you can't have; this goes for both dub/sub fans)

(b) Changing the dub music drastically
(For the younger/superficial fans, this makes it "hip"; for the old-school fans, it again creates a demand for the original version to get rid of such abysmal nonsense)

I don't know where these sudden Bruce Faulconer fans are coming from, but they're clearly not living in the same world everyone else lived through back in 1999-2004, or so, when FUNimation took shit upon shit upon shit upon shit upon shit for their choice of Bruce Faulconer. The same Bruce Faulconer that sits by his lonesome self at conventions with absolutely zero people buying any of his stuff.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:58 am

I was always a Faulconer fan; it's what I heard first (well technically the first was whatever they were playing during the original television run of the Saiyan and Namek sagas). But I didn't even realize that people even hated Faulconer's music until...well...I joined this forum.

His early works weren't great, and Funimation chose to loop the same songs repeatedly at nausiam, but things really got better the further into the series it got. For me, Goku's SSJ3 theme and Super Vegeta's theme over-ride their Japanese musical counterparts.

Of course admitting to liking any of Faulconer's music here is the same as admitting you're an american communist during the cold war.

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:38 am

Deus ex Machina wrote:I was always a Faulconer fan; it's what I heard first (well technically the first was whatever they were playing during the original television run of the Saiyan and Namek sagas). But I didn't even realize that people even hated Faulconer's music until...well...I joined this forum.

His early works weren't great, and FUNimation chose to loop the same songs repeatedly at nausiam, but things really got better the further into the series it got. For me, Goku's SSJ3 theme and Super Vegeta's theme over-ride their Japanese musical counterparts.

Of course admitting to liking any of Faulconer's music here is the same as admitting you're an American communist during the cold war.

So I'm an American communist? I don't necessarily LOVE his music, I just think its good, and it works with the show (at least later on in the series). Around the Buu saga, his work definitely improved, and actually fit with the series.

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:03 am

Same here but some people like to stigmitize other fans for what they like. Like some others I wasen't bowing down to Falconers every piece of music but some of it was just pure awesomeness. Vegeta's theme and the SSJ transformation on Namek where excellent tracks.

P.S. Despite what I said above anyone who likes the "hip hop" bullcrap pulled in the dub's DBGT intro has serious mental problems...

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:49 am

I guess because they didn't think the current music was "hip" enough and equalling in craptastic scores. Eh....

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:56 am

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:So I'm an American communist?

You tell me, comrade. You're starting to sound a little rusky to me...

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:09 am

Liking Faulconer is fine. Saying it's better than the GT dub crap rap is 'right' even. But insinuating for even an instant that 'DUH DUH DA DUH DUH DA I AM PICCOLO DUH DUH DA' is even on par with the original score is absolute insanity.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:34 am

I loved the dub music in the Buu saga. Before that the dub has a few bits of god music like the Ginyu change music and the Spirit bomb theme.

I think the problem with the GT soundtrack is there is like two cords that go over and over and over. I hope when the time comes for GT season sets the Japanese music/english dub will be an option.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:59 am

I liked Faulconers music for the Android and Cell arcs. It isn't the Japanese score but it works.

I hated Menza's music in GT. It fails. Hard.

It even ruined the dub of GT for dub fans, I think.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:52 pm

"Step into the Grand Tour, biznatches!"

[/sarcasm]

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:09 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:His early works weren't great, and Funimation chose to loop the same songs repeatedly at nausiam, but things really got better the further into the series it got. For me, Goku's SSJ3 theme and Super Vegeta's theme over-ride their Japanese musical counterparts.

Eh, Falconer wasn't the worst composer ever, but while the Japanese version was repetitive with fully orchestrated arrangements he was repetitive with...a synthesizer. Plus, I seem to remember reading an interview with him wherein he seemed to have a bit of an ego (talking about how 'Spirit vs. Spirit' was synthesizers too, and he used Japanese synthesizers so it had no advantage over his works) which didn't seem warranted IMHO.

-Corey

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:30 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:I liked Faulconers music for the Android and Cell arcs. It isn't the Japanese score but it works.

I hated Menza's music in GT. It fails. Hard.

It even ruined the dub of GT for dub fans, I think.

Menza's music just seems EXTREMELY dull where Faulconer had some variety.

Menza's Ultimate Uncut music nearly put me to sleep.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:00 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Menza's Ultimate Uncut music nearly put me to sleep.

I agree that the Ultimate Uncut music sucked, but it wasn't done by Menza; only the ending music was. Menza hasn't scored anything since movie 11. The Ultimate Uncut episodes, in addition to the dub scores for movies 2, 3, 12, and 13, were provided by a man named Nathan Johnson. The only tunes he made that I liked were Gogeta's theme (from movie 12) and the "Goku-flies-on-Kinto-un-to-get-to-the-battle-with-Vegeta" music that played in the Ultimate Uncut dub. The rest was pretty "meh".

Aoi · Post by **Aoi** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:49 am

I saw many episodes in the last few days and I must say that his music for the Majin Buu saga is the best.
His theme when Majin Buu becomes Super Buu and then flys to fight the warriors is fantastic.

Also the Room of Time and Spirit music was incredible I thought.

The Dragon ball GT music was just using the same music as if it didnt matter what the scene was about.
(For example: The fantastic music when Mr Satan tells everyone they must go to planet Tsufru is killed by the terrible guitar music in the English version).

I liked the Dragon ball Z stuff because I have seen Dragon ball Z in many languages and I found that finally changing the music actually made me enjoy the show in a different way.

Maker777 · Post by **Maker777** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:02 am

I watched Gt on Cartoon Network and it went from the first few episodes to the Evil Dragon arc. Hmm whats up with that.

Oh...The Music also sucked.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:04 pm

I actually watched a couple of episodes of the GT dub yesterday for this thread and it's actually possible to do that main theme with an bass guitar, a mixer, and a keyboard (optional). No joke...

-Rick

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:26 pm

MagicBox wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:Menza's Ultimate Uncut music nearly put me to sleep.
I agree that the Ultimate Uncut music sucked, but it wasn't done by Menza; only the ending music was. Menza hasn't scored anything since movie 11. The Ultimate Uncut episodes, in addition to the dub scores for movies 2, 3, 12, and 13, were provided by a man named Nathan Johnson. The only tunes he made that I liked were Gogeta's theme (from movie 12) and the "Goku-flies-on-Kinto-un-to-get-to-the-battle-with-Vegeta" music that played in the Ultimate Uncut dub. The rest was pretty "meh".

I actually kinda liked Movie 12's dub music. But the stuff he did for the Ultimate Uncuts sucked hard.

Aoi wrote:I saw many episodes in the last few days and I must say that his music for the Majin Buu saga is the best.
His theme when Majin Buu becomes Super Buu and then flys to fight the warriors is fantastic.

...

The Dragon ball GT music was just using the same music as if it didnt matter what the scene was about.

All kinds of agreed.

Like I said before, the Japanese music is by far the best. But I'll always kinda like what Bruce Faulconer did. Particularly the Garlic Jr, and Android/Cell Sagas. And the fact remains that the music in GT was all kinds of bad.