Is Gohan's character, "woke?"

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Is Gohan's character, "woke?"

Post by precita » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:18 pm

Gohan's character despite written in the 90's seems oddly way ahead of his time. In a battle crazy shonen series like this where Goku and Vegeta crave non-stop fighting instead of peace to push themselves stronger, Gohan stepped away from that life to quietly raise a family with his wife and daughter.

Being a teacher, he is also likely exposed to a wide range of variety of students all coming from different ethnic backgrounds and sexualities. If this was real life, I definitely think Gohan would be one of those people marching in Black Lives Matter (BLM) marches, as well as in gay/lesbian/transgender LGBT alliances. We also see how uncomfortable he was with killing in the Cell saga, how pissed he was with Spopovich's misogynistic beatdown of Videl, how upset he was when Future Trunks in Super didn't tell him that his entire timeline was in danger with Zamasu, and also of course how uneasy he was in Super's tournament of power when all the universes were being erased. When he and Piccolo knocked out that fighting character and the locket dropped down with his family in the picture, Gohan stared at it with an uncomfortable expression realizing that Zeno was wiping millions of beings out of existence.

This is one of the reasons I wish Gohan would be focused on more in Super, he's basically the perfect self-insert character for today's modern audience. It's also why I prefer him to Goku/Vegeta a lot of the time, because he has a lot more morals grounded in reality rather than being a battle-hungry Saiyan.

What do you guys think? Debate and discuss amongst yourselves.

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Re: Is Gohan's character, "woke?"

Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:22 pm

Is Gohan “woke” hmmmm

https://youtu.be/EOOO3UZG4UY


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 pm

Gohan wanted to torture a bug monster. Doesn't sound very sensitive to me.
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:53 pm

And again we try to stir the proverbial pot huh.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 pm Gohan wanted to torture a bug monster. Doesn't sound very sensitive to me.
Not like said bug monster didn't deserve to be tortured.
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Re: Is Gohan's character, "woke?"

Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:19 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:13 pm
jjgp1112 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:26 pm Gohan wanted to torture a bug monster. Doesn't sound very sensitive to me.
Not like said bug monster didn't deserve to be tortured.
Hey man, he was just trying to enjoy himself and was preprogrammed to destroy. Instead of trying to punch him to death, maybe the Z-Fighters should have considered engaging him in a civil debate and directing him to a therapist to unpack the violent behavior literally embedded into his DNA, but toxic masculinity won out instead. It worked on Buu after all. So what I'm saying is, this thread should really be about Mr. Satan being the true Woke Champion. Who are we to doubt that mustache?
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:12 pm

Is being fuckable, "woke"?

Anyway, Gohan is definitely the bisexual teacher advisor to the school's queer club.
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Post by Vijay » Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:53 pm

precita wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:18 pm Gohan's character despite written in the 90's seems oddly way ahead of his time. In a battle crazy shonen series like this where Goku and Vegeta crave non-stop fighting instead of peace to push themselves stronger, Gohan stepped away from that life to quietly raise a family with his wife and daughter.

Being a teacher, he is also likely exposed to a wide range of variety of students all coming from different ethnic backgrounds and sexualities. If this was real life, I definitely think Gohan would be one of those people marching in Black Lives Matter (BLM) marches, as well as in gay/lesbian/transgender LGBT alliances. We also see how uncomfortable he was with killing in the Cell saga, how pissed he was with Spopovich's misogynistic beatdown of Videl, how upset he was when Future Trunks in Super didn't tell him that his entire timeline was in danger with Zamasu, and also of course how uneasy he was in Super's tournament of power when all the universes were being erased. When he and Piccolo knocked out that fighting character and the locket dropped down with his family in the picture, Gohan stared at it with an uncomfortable expression realizing that Zeno was wiping millions of beings out of existence.

This is one of the reasons I wish Gohan would be focused on more in Super, he's basically the perfect self-insert character for today's modern audience. It's also why I prefer him to Goku/Vegeta a lot of the time, because he has a lot more morals grounded in reality rather than being a battle-hungry Saiyan.

What do you guys think? Debate and discuss amongst yourselves.
It's about writing. Your points alone convinced me Gohan deserves an anime of his own, with his intellect & proper writing , insert him into various social settings & he'd easily rank alongside Light/Lelouch

I think he, along with tons of other Toriyama characters have untapped potential that could easily be mc of their own series. It's all abt writing & execution. Speaking of Gohan, he is definitely the kinda guy who is against injustice, so ur points on BLM was legit.

Imagine him in DN lol. Crimes everywhere & dude's only one with guts to make a change. Or AoT where u got his Eldian/Marley conflict/war & world's misunderstanding of Eldians. Unlike Eren, Gohan would never opt for genocide & he might have took an alternative route. Which is intriguing tbh.

So yeah, dude's yet another great character out of 1000+ Toriyama's creations

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Post by ikaos » Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:29 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:22 pm Is Gohan “woke” hmmmm

https://youtu.be/EOOO3UZG4UY


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I know it's a meme but just wanted to point out that while the word Gohan uses can translate to what Simmons gave him, it's pretty out of character and can also translate to more mild terms, for example, "moron", which is more in line with Gohan being cocky. Simmons himself corrected this for Kai although he went with the more wordy "ignoramus".

As far as the topic goes... nah dude. Y'all expecting way more out of a Japanese shonen than what it actually is.

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Post by Aim » Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:54 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:22 pm Is Gohan “woke” hmmmm

https://youtu.be/EOOO3UZG4UY


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Gohan is a dirt bag leftist confirmed

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Post by precita » Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:01 am

To be fair back then using the word, "retard" as an insult was actually fairly common. Or to say something is "retarded" implying its bad. Its definitely something that fell out of fashion after the 90's and early 2000's and nowadays you don't really hear people say that much anymore.

That word was definitely a product of its time. Back in the early 90's people also used to say, "Are you mental?" as an insult too...as in the Waynes World movies from the early 90's as an example....and nobody says that anymore either.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:13 am

ikaos wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:29 am As far as the topic goes... nah dude. Y'all expecting way more out of a Japanese shonen than what it actually is.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but this is a precita thread. That's why all of the other replies are nonsensical. Just sinking to the levels of the OP's intentions, really.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:46 am

ikaos wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:29 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:22 pm Is Gohan “woke” hmmmm

https://youtu.be/EOOO3UZG4UY


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I know it's a meme but just wanted to point out that while the word Gohan uses can translate to what Simmons gave him, it's pretty out of character and can also translate to more mild terms, for example, "moron", which is more in line with Gohan being cocky. Simmons himself corrected this for Kai although he went with the more wordy "ignoramus"..

It’s more just entertaining to me the OP asked if Gohan was woke and the first thing that came to mind was the subtitles having Gohan use an ableist slur again Boo


I’m genuinely not sure if I was suppose to take this thread seriously or not. “Is Gohan a progressive woke bae because he decided to be a scholar and a family man?” Discuss

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:55 am

I legit couldn't even tell if this was a serious thread or a joke one. Given the title i didn't know what to make of it because it sounds like trying to look for something in a character that's just not there.
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Post by TobyS » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:59 am

Aim wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:54 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:22 pm Is Gohan “woke” hmmmm

https://youtu.be/EOOO3UZG4UY


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:23 am

Yes, but how do you think Gohan feels about the election and Bill Cosby's release from prison?

While it's all well and good to discuss these things, I believe that way too much of our societal issues are projected onto a series that has zero dick squat to do with any of it. Sure, everything is influenced by all the garbage we live inside of every day, but that's exactly why this exists -- to escape from that shit and have some nice entertainment. Way to sour it by taking the fun, magical world that we escape to and heap our shit into it.

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Post by MyVisionity » Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:53 am

I've never liked the use of the term "escape" to describe entertainment and media like Dragon Ball. I personally think it's disrespectful to both the audience and the series. I don't watch Dragon Ball or anything else to run away from the realities of life. And I think that Dragon Ball has far more value in it than just escaping into a fantasy world or whatever.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:34 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:46 am
ikaos wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:29 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:22 pm Is Gohan “woke” hmmmm

https://youtu.be/EOOO3UZG4UY


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I know it's a meme but just wanted to point out that while the word Gohan uses can translate to what Simmons gave him, it's pretty out of character and can also translate to more mild terms, for example, "moron", which is more in line with Gohan being cocky. Simmons himself corrected this for Kai although he went with the more wordy "ignoramus"..

It’s more just entertaining to me the OP asked if Gohan was woke and the first thing that came to mind was the subtitles having Gohan use an ableist slur again Boo


I’m genuinely not sure if I was suppose to take this thread seriously or not. “Is Gohan a progressive woke bae because he decided to be a scholar and a family man?” Discuss
You shouldn't. Precita saw how much of a shitstorm the Bulma thread created and now wants a disaster thread of his own.
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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:25 am

^ I don't take this thread seriously either, this seems like such a big nothing burger of a topic and is clearly not meant for serious discussion.
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