Episode "Gohan Returns" make no sense

Vhanos · Post by **Vhanos** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:34 pm

What I'm about to get on here is the scene where Goku is supposedly dead. First off I want to ask. Did this episode make much sense to you?

landoku · Post by **landoku** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:40 pm

I have no idea what your talking about....DETAILS.

GokuSoul · Post by **GokuSoul** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:13 pm

Maybe you should tell us what doesn't make much sense first.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:15 pm

GokuSoul wrote:Maybe you should tell us what doesn't make much sense first.

Um... the whole post?

GokuSoul · Post by **GokuSoul** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:19 pm

I think he is talking about the first rumor on this page. http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/characters.shtml

Edit:
Oh wait I see, he is talking about the Funimation dub episode called "Gohan Returns" which is episode 99.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:50 pm

Vhanos wrote:What I'm about to get on here is the scene where Goku is supposedly dead. First off I want to ask. Did this episode make much sense to you?

The title Funimation gave it didn't help much, but the episode you're talking about just involved Gohan buying time so that he and Frieza would get taken out when Namek exploded... whilst persuming that Goku had actually died by Frieza.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:02 pm

Took me a while to get your question (or was it a statement). That was a filler episode where Gohan goes back to fight Freeza thinking that Goku was killed. His plan was to stall Freeza and have Freeza die in the explosion. Hope that answers your question (or was it a statement).
-Rick

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:22 pm

GokuSoul wrote:I think he is talking about the first rumor on this page. http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/characters.shtml
Edit:
Oh wait I see, he is talking about the Funimation dub episode called "Gohan Returns" which is episode 99.

Actually, it's episode 100 "I am Son Goku's Son!! Gohan Returns to the Battlefield" (cut-dub episode 85 "Gohan Returns").

And, ug, what was the question?

GokuSoul · Post by **GokuSoul** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:24 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
GokuSoul wrote:I think he is talking about the first rumor on this page. http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/characters.shtml
Edit:
Oh wait I see, he is talking about the Funimation dub episode called "Gohan Returns" which is episode 99.
Actually, it's episode 100 "I am Son Goku's Son!! Gohan Returns to the Battlefield" (cut-dub episode 85 "Gohan Returns").

And, ug, what was the question?

I think it was if it made any sense.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:33 pm

GokuSoul wrote: I think it was if it made any sense.

Um... Goku is underwater, Gohan gets mad, everyone gets wished back, Goku comes up out of the water. Seems fine to me.

GokuSoul · Post by **GokuSoul** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:53 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
GokuSoul wrote: I think it was if it made any sense.
Um... Goku is underwater, Gohan gets mad, everyone gets wished back, Goku comes up out of the water. Seems fine to me.

Yeah, but he probably thought that Goku was dead thats why he was underwater but he wasn't. Then when everyone got wished back Goku came out of the water so it might have gave him the clue that he was dead before then got wished back but he wasn't even dead in the first place.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:13 pm

GokuSoul · Post by **GokuSoul** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:15 pm

mAcChaos wrote:So?

So um.... problem solved and we can go on with our lives.

Magica · Post by **Magica** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:05 pm

desirecampbell wrote: And, ug, what was the question?

I think what s/he was trying to say was "Goku was supposed to be dead in that episode. Did that make any sense to any of you at all?"

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:26 pm

Anyone take a look at the Rumor Guide? I think it'll help clear things up.

http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/characters.shtml

It's the first one on the page.

Vhanos · Post by **Vhanos** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:55 am

Yes I am reffering to Goku dieing. That's one half of what I am trying to get at. The other half is how Goku came out of the ocean. In the anime after Frieza went to the side when clashing with Goku's kamehameha he knocked Goku deep down into the dirt and there was an explosion. Later at the end of the episode Goku came out of the ocean. So I thought this didn't make sense. How did Goku come out of the ocean? Shouldn't he be coming out of the dirt? Now in the manga it makes much more sense. Just seconds after Frieza eluded Goku's kamehameha Frieza knocked Goku into the ocean. That made more sense on Goku coming out of the ocean after getting knocked down.

The episode is mostly filler. I say about 20% of the episode is canon. The scene were Goku fires the kamehameha at Frieza, the nameks coming back to life, King Kai contacting Saichourou, Frieza looking at the sky of namek after throwing Goku down were the ones from the manga

So two things.

1. Goku dieing. If you disregard the manga then it is a plothole. Reasons for why have been brought up by a couple of you.

2. How Goku came out of the ocean. What I was saying above.

Do you agree with what I'm saying?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:05 am

The Goku dying and being revived thing is debatable, I guess. I don't know. I don't have the manga of that, but I do have the DVD. Maybe I'll check it sometime later.

The underwater thing is more easily explainable. Namek's surface is mostly small islands. At the levels of power Goku and Freeza were smacking each other around at, it's not hard to imagine that after getting hit by Freeza, the force of the impact send Goku flying with enough momentum so that he kept tunneling underground after the initial impact with the ground. If he happened to be going at enough of an angle, he could have ended up easily underwater.

Yuppers.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:19 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:The Goku dying and being revived thing is debatable, I guess.

No, it isn't.

1. Goku had already been brought back once by Shenron, it's impossible for that to happen again.

2. Goku would be completely healed if he had been revived.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:39 am

Rocketman wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:The Goku dying and being revived thing is debatable, I guess.
No, it isn't.

1. Goku had already been brought back once by Shenron, it's impossible for that to happen again.

2. Goku would be completely healed if he had been revived.

And he probably wouldn't be in SSJ right after he was brought back.

And these reasons are in the rumor on the site because Mike let me do some proof-reading in the chat and I gave him those reasons to add to it! =D

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:37 am

Rocketman wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:The Goku dying and being revived thing is debatable, I guess.
No, it isn't.

1. Goku had already been brought back once by Shenron, it's impossible for that to happen again.

2. Goku would be completely healed if he had been revived.

When Vegeta was revived in the Buu Arc, Goku noted that he wasn't completely healed or something, I think.
-Rick

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