Toriyama ending DBZ after the freeza arc. Any proof?

[Kikoha Hater]

When and where did Toriyama say he wanted to end DBZ after the Freeza arc? Because every fan up now still makes that fallacious claim that without sighting any proof. Any links to interviews, daizenshuu, or notes.

[Olivier Hague]

Thank you, and seconded.

[Drunken Master]

Akira is my uncle, And he told me, and I told the internets!

I only heard through the internets, but it does seem possible. Goku kills Freeza and dies, everyone gets revived and the end. But later AT tells us that Freeza somehow survives a planet exploding. C'mon, that's like 1000000 spirit bombs, and Freeza had no ki and was in pieces.

But really, I haven't seen proof.

[Kikoha Hater]

I know it's possible, just like it's possible for me to win the lottery. But what I'm asking for is solid evidence, not possibilities and theories.

[Xyex]

I can't remember where it is (though I'm nearly positive it's been posted here, and confirmed accurate) but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned during the course of an interview.

[Kikoha Hater]

Looks as though this plot is reaching an end , seriously though if someone could bring up the thread or interview, (No offense) because that answer alone isn't enough. I'll be a happy camper.

[Sebastian (SB)]

I would look at one of my old SJ issues, but I'm too lazy to go to my attic, nor do I care what the majority of fanboys think.

[Kikoha Hater]

That’s nice and all but how does that answer my question, which is the entire point of this thread.

[Sebastian (SB)]

Err....I guess I can't give an opinion even if it's pointless

[Kikoha Hater]

I apologize, I didn't mean to sound harsh about it.

[Coola Yagami]

We also have to consider the first Coola movie that acts as if it all ended after the Freeza saga.

Basically Coola's movie proceeds as if Goku did kill Freeza, somehow survived the Namek explosion and went straight home before he had the chance to perfect his new SSJ form.

[Conan the SSJ]

We also have to consider the first Coola movie that acts as if it all ended after the Freeza saga.

Basically Coola's movie proceeds as if Goku did kill Freeza, somehow survived the Namek explosion and went straight home before he had the chance to perfect his new SSJ form.

That's a pure matter of opinion. The Daizenshuu itself puts movie 5 into the anime timeframe, as taking place during the 3 years of training, so we're also allowed to assume that. Some can think of movie 5 as taking place if Goku came back to Earth right after Freeza's defeat on Namek, some can think of it as taking place in Trunks' alternate timeline, some can think of it as just completely not worth discussing; but I tend to view it as the Daizenshuu does.

[Godo]

I think the staff (translators) of the Swedish version of Dragonball mentioned it somewhere, in one of the mangas. I may look it up.

[zoiozazu]

We also have to consider the first Coola movie that acts as if it all ended after the Freeza saga.

Basically Coola's movie proceeds as if Goku did kill Freeza, somehow survived the Namek explosion and went straight home before he had the chance to perfect his new SSJ form.

We should not use fillers to explain this...Only Toriyama word.

[Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece]

I figure it would, it was like the resolution of the series, if you think about it. Goku dies a 2nd time, can't come back, not to mention it took a saga of filler for Toriyama to come up with an idea for another saga, and then even that had to be re-done twice.

And then he ended it after the Cell Saga, and all of that fit together. Goku decides to stay dead, everyone leaves to go about their lives (until the Buu saga begins).

[Duo]

We also have to consider the first Coola movie that acts as if it all ended after the Freeza saga.

Basically Coola's movie proceeds as if Goku did kill Freeza, somehow survived the Namek explosion and went straight home before he had the chance to perfect his new SSJ form.

We should not use fillers to explain this...Only Toriyama word.

Movies are not Filler. They do nothing to expand the time between Manga chapters.

[zoiozazu]

We also have to consider the first Coola movie that acts as if it all ended after the Freeza saga.

Basically Coola's movie proceeds as if Goku did kill Freeza, somehow survived the Namek explosion and went straight home before he had the chance to perfect his new SSJ form.

We should not use fillers to explain this...Only Toriyama word.

Movies are not Filler. They do nothing to expand the time between Manga chapters.

When I say fillers, I'm saiying about part of the show that wasn't Akira's creation. He only did some character design for movies, but the story was created by Toei.

[VegettoEX]

When I say fillers, I'm saiying about part of the show that wasn't Akira's creation. He only did some character design for movies, but the story was created by Toei.

But that's not correct. "Filler" literally means what its title says... it "fills in" time between canon events. The movies do not "fill" anything; they are separate stories meant to be separate stories.

Furthermore, "filler" is already both singular and plural in nature; there is no need to add the extra "s" to the end.

[desirecampbell]

Furthermore, "filler" is already both singular and plural in nature; there is no need to add the extra "s" to the end.

Well... "filler" can be used in the plural form "fillers" when talking about different kinds of filler - exactly like "people". Here, we could say that the movies are a kind of filler, but are distinct and different from anime filler. It's a bit of a stretch though.

Anyway, back on topic, the only "proof" is that it's clear that the story was meant to end with a dead Goku. There are no interviews or side notes about it, but looking at the plot and how it diverges from Toriyama's usual style so abruptly.

[Ex-Dubbie369]

Anyway, back on topic, the only "proof" is that it's clear that the story was meant to end with a dead Goku. There are no interviews or side notes about it, but looking at the plot and how it diverges from Toriyama's usual style so abruptly.

I think that it's interesting to note that, at least to this point in the series, all the characters that seemingly died, (excluding Goku in the 23rd Budokai right before the last attack on Piccolo) have surely been dead. It seems like Toriyama took this sort of thing out of American comic books. A ton of characters die in those, only to be brought back in some miraculous and probably impossible fashion when it's convenient for the plot.