Budokai 1 Question

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:05 am

I've recently played this game again. The last time I played this game I was dubby! I had just started watching Funimation's dub, around 2002. Just to explain, I moved to the US in August of 2000. I had already seen most of Dragonball and some of Z in Danish. The first thing I saw in English was Vegeta vs. Perfect Cell Rerun in late 2001.
To the point, naturally now I'm into the Japanese version. But this time when I play Budokai 1 I notice "The Legend of Hercule."
So my question is: In Budokai one/Dragonball Z 1 in Japan, is that feature called "The Legend of Mr.Satan?"

Post by **Herms** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:42 am

Ah, the name filter strikes yet again. But anyway, that feature is indeed known as the Legend of Mister Satan in the Japanese version of the game, or rather "LEGEND of Mister Satan", as they write it out right in English letters. Don't ask me why "legend" is in all caps.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:52 am

Cool, thanks man!

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:27 am

It's also called Legend of Mr. Satan in the European versions, since they don't have to resort to the American dub sillyness.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:37 pm

Why are you so suprised they would call him Mr. Satan?

I really thought I remembered it being "The Legend of Hercule" though...

LaRésistance · Post by **LaRésistance** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:18 pm

Adamant wrote:It's also called Legend of Mr. Satan in the European versions, since they don't have to resort to the American dub sillyness.

Well, the name H e r c u l e actually comes from the French dub. They didn't call him Satan at first because Piccolo was called Satan Petit Coeur (Satan Little Heart) in the French translation. But after a while they started to call him H e r c u l e Satan.

The French dub wasn't done by a competent team (as most anime translations were in the mid-80s) and sometimes character's names would change between episodes or be mistranslated (Kame Sennin's sister was even called Bulma in an episode).

Post by **Herms** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:27 pm

LaRésistance wrote:They didn't call him Satan at first because Piccolo was called Satan Petit Coeur (Satan Little Heart) in the French translation. But after a while they started to call him H e r c u l e Satan.

"Satan Little Heart"? Why did they call him that, of all things? Was the idea that he was like the Grinch, and has his heart two sizes too small or something?

LaRésistance · Post by **LaRésistance** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:39 pm

Herms wrote:
LaRésistance wrote:They didn't call him Satan at first because Piccolo was called Satan Petit Coeur (Satan Little Heart) in the French translation. But after a while they started to call him H e r c u l e Satan.
"Satan Little Heart"? Why did they call him that, of all things? Was the idea that he was like the Grinch, and has his heart two sizes too small or something?

The name has never been explained I believe. But I don't think it has anything to do with the Grinch as most French people were first exposed to the Grinch story when the Jim Carrey movie came out.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:53 pm

I wasn't suggesting that is was a reference to the Grinch, just that "Little Heart" might be to suggest that his heart is under-sized and he is therefore a mean guy, similiar to how the Grinch is described.

Now that I think about it more, "Satan Little Heart" sounds a lot like the kind of name American Indians always have in Hollywood movies. Except for the "Satan" part.

LaRésistance · Post by **LaRésistance** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:04 pm

They never said anything about the size of his heart.

He is not the only one who had a weird French name. Kaioshin was called Neptune in the French dub.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:07 pm

Hmm...well, kaiousei is the Japanese word for Neptune, so there's sort of a vague link there, if you squint a little. I remember that in the English version of Legendary Super Warriors, Kaio's planet got called "Neptune" for that reason.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:04 am

Herms wrote:Hmm...well, kaiousei is the Japanese word for Neptune, so there's sort of a vague link there, if you squint a little. I remember that in the English version of Legendary Super Warriors, Kaio's planet got called "Neptune" for that reason.

I have seen that too. Does Kaio's planet actually have a name?

Post by **Herms** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:31 am

No, it's always just called 界王星/kaiousei, which just means "Kaio's planet" or "Planet Kaio". Like I said earlier, kaiousei is also the Japanese word for Neptune, but written 海王星 ("sea-king planet").

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:05 pm

Herms wrote:No, it's always just called 界王星/kaiousei, which just means "Kaio's planet" or "Planet Kaio". Like I said earlier, kaiousei is also the Japanese word for Neptune, but written 海王星 ("sea-king planet").

Ok cool, there is only a small change in the writing.
Sorry, I though kaiosei was totally irreverent.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:41 pm

I suppose that may be why the "Sea King" monsters from One Piece are sometimes called "Neptunians."

kindertuin · Post by **kindertuin** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:49 pm

LaRésistance wrote:
Herms wrote:
LaRésistance wrote:They didn't call him Satan at first because Piccolo was called Satan Petit Coeur (Satan Little Heart) in the French translation. But after a while they started to call him H e r c u l e Satan.
"Satan Little Heart"? Why did they call him that, of all things? Was the idea that he was like the Grinch, and has his heart two sizes too small or something?
The name has never been explained I believe. But I don't think it has anything to do with the Grinch as most French people were first exposed to the Grinch story when the Jim Carrey movie came out.

It just means that he is evil (satan), but he has still care (mostly abouth gohan,therefore the small heart part). I hope this explanes it.

LaRésistance · Post by **LaRésistance** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:30 pm

But wasn't he already called Petit Coeur in Dragon Ball ? I don't remember as it's been a few years since I've watched a French Dragon Ball episode.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:46 pm

Post by **Herms** » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:08 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:The whole Satan thing with the French dub I believe started with Daimao being called simply “Satan”. Which to be fair, is a more or less understandable misreading of the title “Great Demon King” (not that it makes it any less incorrect or anything).

Reminds me of some old fansub scripts they had on Project Shinanome (sp?) that referred to Piccolo Daimao as "Piccolo the Devil". Of course, the really funny thing there is that what they called Piccolo Daimao would vary wildly between episodes, and sometimes over the course of the same episode.

Darknat · Post by **Darknat** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:03 am

some spanish dubs called piccolo daimao as the french dub (I think they were retranslations of the french one). Satanas cor menut (satan little heart) in the valencia dub for instance.

Later when Piccolo died, they started calling him just cort menut (little heart) or junior.