Kanzenshuu

He's awesome. I can't explain it, but i like the idea of another SuperSayin that doesn't "level up" he's just a monster. He represent what Goku and the others would be if they gave in to their savagery and let loose. He's pretty much the ultimate enemy.

Gohan and Gotenks are just fodder - they are there just to show how strong an opponent is, just for Goku to beat them up. Krillin and Piccolo are too weak at this point for them to be any accurate gauge for a strong opponent.

I don't want Goku to change, I like him the way that he is. He doesn't need some overwritten JRPG/Stupid anime that the main character existential crisis that completely changes his character. IF you want DBZ to be another anime, watch another anime - we like Goku because he is the archetypal hero ...

And also says that Gotenks is weaker than Vegeta until AFTER he finds SSJ3 after training.

Pure Buu> Goku> Gohan> Evil Buu > Gotenks > Fat Buu > Vegeta
It also calls gohan the mightiest warrior and says that gohan has power that surpasses of a saiyan, ssj gotenks is stated to be above fat buu by ...

Nah, I know Goku came first to be the measuring stick for all others to come after him.

it's pretty obvious Gohan was strong for the Buu Saga, but lost relevance as soon as SSJ3 Goku appeared

Um...SSj3 came before Mystic.......
Once Goku was brought back to life, that's pretty much the end of Gohan in all of the Dragonball franchise. Yo Son Goku, One Piece crossover, BOG, end of Z ...

I like to use Bobbidi's meter for Boo's energy restoration as an indication of Boo's power compared to others. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's power filled it up almost halfway in one go. So Fat Boo would be somewhere between 2 and 3 times stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. Goku and Vegeta are significantly stronger ...

Considering what Beers said about Goku, and how the Manga came to a close, it's pretty obvious Gohan was strong for the Buu Saga, but lost relevance as soon as SSJ3 Goku appeared and in BOG Goku, not that shit character Gohan was looked upon to be the savior. By the end of Z, Goku claimed he waited ...

You know what I meant.

No, I don't. I explained why it makes sense by Toei logic, bringing up examples of the same thing happening. I didn't just say "Toei bullshit".

Movie 14's power up sequence is a composite of the energy giving scenes in Lord Slug and GT. The jobbers give Goku their energy ...

Because It's Goku - I'm serious. Strongest character in DBZ infused with God powers.

I hate Narato so, yeah I hate that idea. In fact, I don't like really any anime outside of DBZ.

He can't. He can't ever. Gotenks was stated by Goku himself to be in the ball park of eight times Goku's strength (at least) BEFORE the ROSAT. After, he's suggested to be a thousand times stronger. The Daizenshuu implies dozens of times stronger. Goku, while young, did seven years of intense ...

The problem is that Goku would be as relevent as Piccolo/Krillin in DBZ. I don't think that was the intention.
But it was. Originally, Toriyama planned to have Gohan as the main protagonist (with Goten & Trunks/Gotenks on his side), with Goku most likely remaining dead. However, he decided that ...

PerfectFreeza wrote:Vegeta and the others, not just Vegeta.The others could include SSJ3 Goku.

Not really - does that mean it can include Gohan too?
Goku is not equal to Vegeta, everyone knows that, they specifically mentioned Vegeta and not Goku for that reason.

Do the official saiyans multipliers work in the same way in the fusions as normal forms (ss1-ss2-ss3)?
Yes.

Because Gotenks SS3 being eight stronger than Goku SS3 is quite exaggerated!
What's the problem? Gotenks is a result from Fusion.
The problem is that Goku would be as relevent as Piccolo ...

Piccolo didn't send Gotenks, he went on his own. And if Gotenks was SsJ3 power, why was Piccolo worried aboit a time limit? It should have been a 1 shot fight. Goku said that he doesn't know if he could beat Fat Boo as a SSJ3. Piccolo also knows that Fat Boo's power is a lie. So just because SSJ ...

Ssj3 gotenks is stronger than Vegeta, anot Goku.And good point Vegetto, but the God water itself could be the cause, as could Goku's Zenki from fighting Vegeta. So you are going to make assumptions now? It never states forms in the guidebook. All it says is Gotenks surpassed Vegeta in strength. If ...

Ssj3 gotenks is stronger than Vegeta, anot Goku.And good point Vegetto, but the God water itself could be the cause, as could Goku's Zenki from fighting Vegeta.

You should make me a moderator - that dude would have banned from the first day he posted. Maybe a 3 week vacation would be ideal for him trolling threads?
This adds nothing to the discussion.

Carry on, please.
Maybe not, but Kaboom warned people just a page before for similar behavior. It it ...

FLAME BAIT ALERT!

Simple answer is he's not, and even if by some strange twisted logic that I don't personally subscribe too, it can't be much.

Gohan AND Gotenks were both suggested as helping Goku fight Pure Buu, meaning Kaboom's theory just couldn't hold true.
We have the Daizenshuu's ...