Search found 532 matches

by Black Hawk
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:26 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

7 years of training between Cell and Buu seemed to have brought negligible results. If anything the gap between him and the saiyans got bigger (at the Cell Games his fight with the Cell Juniors implied he wasn't too far off from SS Vegeta, yet by the Buu arc he's far weaker than Shin who is himself...
by Black Hawk
Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Was SSJ3 Necessary To The Plot As A Whole?
Replies: 18
Views: 1495

Re: Was SSJ3 Necessary To The Plot As A Whole?

The way I see it, SSJ3 wasn't a binding necessity of the Boo arc but it helped to establish that fusion was the true trump card and that simply transforming wasn't enough to get the job done. As RandomGuy96 stated, Toriyama could have written the power scaling however he wanted to, whether that mean...
by Black Hawk
Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:34 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Something like that. Assuming Zamasu's soul caused power fluctuations in Goku's base form from the beginning also nicely solves the issue of Black's base power throwing the scale off (since his SS and SSB/R aren't necessarily the same boost as anyone else's relative to his base). Yeah, I think that...
by Black Hawk
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well, a small illustration in chapter 20 depicts the killing and Zamasu-Goku is pretty clearly not even trying to be stealthy his stabbing, so it probably went down similar to the anime. He also claims that he couldn't transform beyond base when he first arrived in Trunks' timeline, yet he was stil...
by Black Hawk
Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:37 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Does Zamasu-Goku have a disproportionately strong base off the bat, stronger than Goku's should be and thus not following the normal SS multipliers? Because Zamasu-Goku effortlessly killed Goku-Zamasu in just in his base form, even though normally Zamasu appears to be a lot stronger than base Goku....
by Black Hawk
Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: R.I.P Jodi Forrest (Big Green Dub's Gohan)
Replies: 16
Views: 1438

Re: R.I.P Jodi Forrest (Big Green dub's Gohan)

I was always fond of how her voice set up the "What we need is Big Green!" "Who's that? Who's Big Green?" "Here I am, my friends." scene, and Sissi was one of my favorite Code Lyoko characters. I will certainly miss hearing her voice. May she be at peace in the company of The Lord.
by Black Hawk
Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:24 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There's got to be a balance, dragon ball is always first an fore-most martial arts based. Therefore, I don't agree with people who try to calculatate dragon ball strength based on their neo-scientific feats. Dragon ball has never been consitent in destructive power, so why do people try to use it a...
by Black Hawk
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Interesting prognostication, but Roshi can only seal with the mafuba and he needs a jar. Unless he mafuba her out of the stage but does Roshi have that type of power. And dyspo and kahsersal are still in this thing, too. Unless if 17 can...we have Frieza still in here. I always seen to forget about...
by Black Hawk
Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14421
Views: 1125685

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

I wonder how the kid who unwittingly started the "BROLI'S POWER IS MAXIMUM!!!1ONE1" meme feels about the upcoming movie all these years later. It's been over a decade since then, hasn't it?
by Black Hawk
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:05 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

UI Omen probably won't be in the manga, and it would be better that way. I'm thinking the same thing, though I admit the artwork someone posted recently (and its inverted equivalent) seemingly depicting Ultra Instinct Omen (as Goku's hair is dark) has me very curious and even open to the idea. If i...
by Black Hawk
Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:19 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Random thought: Maybe, once Jiren is the only opponent remaining, Goku will be pushed to Ultra Instinct Omen and force Jiren to use his full power (or at least a good portion of it) for the first time, at which point Goku equals Jiren or perhaps Jiren only slightly exceeds Goku. Of course, Goku then...
by Black Hawk
Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:46 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

ZombieVito wrote:CSSB shouldn't be stronger than Goku Black since that body is a stronger Goku from the future.
Goku was shown to have been rusty due to a lack of training between the Zero Mortals Plan and Tournament of Power story arcs. He likely didn't get any stronger during this time period.
by Black Hawk
Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

How do you guys think Kefla will be eliminated? If the final four Universe 07 fighters being Goku, Vegeta, No. 17, and Freeza is part of Toriyama's outline, then I expect Gohan-kun will eliminate Kafla at the price of his own elimination, leaving only Top and Jiren as opponents from there. (Whereas...
by Black Hawk
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

alakazam^ wrote:No Tenkaichi Budoukai had high stakes so how does that compare?
Pardon for interjecting, but...
Image
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Oh yeah, it was made clear by Elder Kai that the rivalry aspect and being top martial artists in their universes is what made their fusion all the greater. Kale and Caulifla don't have that type of potential to bring out the patorra to that level. Now, while I believe wholeheartedly that Kafla didn...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:27 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Hopefully I turn out to be correct because the way Toei handled is terrible. They imply Vegeta can transform into Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan "without having Super Saiyan God", at least that was the impression I had when I unfortunately watched the retellings. He got God Ki when he entered Whis' ...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:18 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

You have Goku who is 4 times stronger than Vegeta getting a massive boost, and you have Goten and Trunks who are practically dead even also getting a massive boost. You then have Kibito and Supreme Kai who are probably close enough in power, and they get a negligible power boost. I'm not convinced ...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We know Ultimate Gohan was way out of Goku's weight class, still tried to fuse with him. Is Ultimate Gohan still going to be stronger than Goku and Ultimate Gohan merged? We Know Goku had SSJ3 and Vegeta did not. Vegeta was way outside his pay grade too but the Elder Kai states since those two are ...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 35908
Views: 2796428

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Yes, the movies do not take place in the same continuity as either anime's or manga's. And we can't tell what is the deal going on in Toyotaro's manga since Vegeta as Super Saiyan God just popped out without a decent explanation (as far as I remember). And I consider Toriyama's continuity (movies) ...
by Black Hawk
Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32985
Views: 1942195

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Kibito was noticeably stronger than base Gohan, and Supreme Kai was stronger than Frieza. It's potentially a pretty wide gap, but nowhere near as wide as Kale and Caulifla or Black and Zamas. He still should have gotten a reasonable boost. Now that I've done a brief analysis, I'm kind of torn on ju...