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by Green
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

This is what we know in my opinion: - Jiren is stronger than Belmod (stated in both anime and manga, very likely part of Toriyama's outline) - UI isn't that much stronger than Jiren. They have a close fight in both anime and manga. Heck, in the latter Jiren outlasts Goku. - Broly is probably stronge...
by Green
Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Or another way to look at it is Super Buu should be kid Buu + the two supreme kais he absorbed but with no suppression. I don't think that's the case, since Buff Buu is explicitly stated to be stronger than Super Buu yet he's just Kid Buu + South Kaioshin. The Daizenshuu 7 states that when Buu abso...
by Green
Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:52 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35019
Views: 1665647

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

ToP SSG Goku vs RoF SSB Goku Ikari Broly vs 1st Omen Goku Suppressed Jiren vs SSG Gogeta (Broly film) True Golden Freeza vs U6 arc SSB Goku (no kaioken) & SSB Vegeta SSJ Rage Trunks (end of Black arc, no Hope Sword) vs Base Toppo SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Buuhan SSJ3 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Fat Buu MUI...
by Green
Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We can doubt Gogeta's base feats since there have been numerous istances of weaker characters somewhat holding their own like he did (hell, Goku does the same with Ikari Broly), but when looking at the bigger picture, i.e. - Kefla overpowering SSG Goku in the anime - Vegetto blowing MZ up in the ma...
by Green
Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We can doubt Gogeta's base feats since there have been numerous istances of weaker characters somewhat holding their own like he did (hell, Goku does the same with Ikari Broly), but when looking at the bigger picture, i.e. - Kefla overpowering SSG Goku in the anime - Vegetto blowing MZ up in the man...
by Green
Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:10 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: ToP Arc: The Worst and most boring Arc of Super so far?
Replies: 74
Views: 6450

Re: ToP Arc: The Worst and most boring Arc of Super so far?

The Tournament of Power as a arc as many problems, but I don't think it's the worst because of the highs reached in certain episodes. It would probably be the FNF retelling I guess, or the padding arcs written by Toei. We start off with the Exhibition Match, and I find it to be a cut above the rest ...
by Green
Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14403
Views: 1049768

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

excelhedge wrote:I only have one question.

Is Broly alive at the end of the movie?
Yes.
by Green
Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:57 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"
Replies: 14403
Views: 1049768

Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

So what whas the "Goku finally...?!" about?
by Green
Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think that it basically comes down to how strong Goku and Vegeta are in Toriyama's vision, where there's no Kaioken or mastered versions of Blue. While in the anime SSB is nowhere near a God of Destruction, it's entirely possible Toriyama values the form much higher and Goku/Vegeta aren't ants to ...
by Green
Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The notion of SS Goku being equal to God starts to make less sense when you realize that he was in fact 60% of Beerus at the time, which meant either: - Toriyama went senile writing the script and forgot Goku could turn SS2 and slap Beerus out of existence - Super Saiyan wasn't supposed to replace G...
by Green
Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku and Vegeta were stated to get a rivalry boost. by the same guy who said the Potara fusion was permanent. Also, Vegetto having a Rivalry Bonus doesn't mean Kefla doesn't get a different, even greater, Bonus due their relationship Thats your headcanon that they got a greater boost to try and jus...
by Green
Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Ok guys, let's try to reach a consensus on the powerscaling regarding these four characters.

Hakaishin Toppo
SSBE Vegeta
2nd UIO Goku
SS2 Kefla

What's your chain regarding them and why.
by Green
Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:06 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35019
Views: 1665647

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

New Battles 1.) Tien (TOP) vs. Muten Roshi (TOP) 2.) BofDB Goku (can't become Oozaru) vs. Videl (w/ ability to manipulate Ki) 3.) Mr. Satan vs. Chi-chi 4.) Whis vs. Vados 5.) Anilaza vs. SSJ Kefla 6.) FP Cell vs. Broly (Second Coming) 7.) Piccolo (TOP) vs Android 18 (TOP) 8.) All Hakaishin vs. Whis...
by Green
Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:13 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35019
Views: 1665647

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

New match: (both at full power) - GoD Toppo vs. Merged Zamasu This is interesting. We know that: - Toppo's energy is identical to an Hakaishin's and he's referred to as a God - Vegeta is stronger than him but needs his Final Explosion to get the job done - Jiren, at full power, is considerably stro...
by Green
Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:01 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35019
Views: 1665647

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs. Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe) Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc) Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z) Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123) Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z) Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18 SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosat) vs Hi...
by Green
Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:07 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

PFM18, you're a good poster but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here: Kefla has no relation with Vegetto whatsoever. Gains yielded by fusing have never been arbitrary, we can't just assume a specific form of Vegetto would be stronger than a specific form of Kefla. On top of that, Kefla has the g...
by Green
Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In a nutshell, the fusion boost is bigger than the "Stacked" SSJG multiplier, but pales in comparison to the ritual multiplier, as it's implied not even fusion could stop Beerus. While I don't think any form of Vegetto is comparable to God/Blue (except his own godly transformations ofc), this expla...
by Green
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But even then Kale sent flying Vegeta and Toppo with a single hit... urgh this is a mess. You can send characters flying if you catch them off-guard: Trunks did it to SSR Black in both the anime and manga. According to Vegeta in that very chapter, catching people off-guard is what Kale's transforma...
by Green
Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31789
Views: 1784464

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The whole Kale-Kefla thing is really strange. We have Vados saying that Kefla has Kale's power and Caulifla's skill, referring to her as unbeatable by other contestants even after seeing what Jiren did to Goku and Hit. But then she ties with Gohan, who's stated to be weaker than Goku by Krilin...? E...
by Green
Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:13 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Replies: 35019
Views: 1665647

Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

1. GoD Toppo vs Hit? (No rules, killing allowed) 2. 17 vs Dyspo? 3. Gohan, Trunks, 17 vs Kefla? (Kefla is only fused for 2 minutes) 4. Aniraza vs Dyspo and Toppo? (No GoD form) 5. Jiren vs Beerus? (No Hakai)? 1. Toppo murks him so hard it isn't even funny 2. Dyspo goes Lightspeed Mode and kills him...