Kanzenshuu

1.Goku SSJ4 Full Power(SD arc) Vs Goku SSG( BOG)

2.Pikkon(Movie 12)Vs Ledgic

3.Goku Black(Base) Vs Golden Oozaru Baby

4.Super 17 energy absorbed (GT) Vs C17(DBS)

5.Gogeta SSJ4 Vs Vegito SSG(BOG)

1 normal SSJ4 from the early SD saga will do.

2 Ledgic

3 black after a tough fight

4 S17 ...

I'm sorry this is just insane. No, pre-training Gohan is not anything close to SSG/SSB and so it does not make Piccolo on that level by extension. He defeated an inferior version of Gohan which says nothing about his power compared to the godly transformations. No, Gohan does not have the upper ...

It was clearly stated in show that he lost on purpose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynw1rePhxpo

If we scale SSJ1 goku(S17) to being x10 stronger than majuub. And then scale majuub to being equal to super baby 2.than we would end up with SSJ1 Goku(S17) ~ SSJ4 Goku(Baby)~ golden oozaru baby ...

It isn't stated anywhere that getting God ki boost your power level. If it does then why is King Kai weaker than Saiyan Saga Vegeta? You are making the false assumption that god ki is a separate supply of ki from mortal ki when in really god ki is merely a "state" of a person's ki, like how SSJ ...

1. Goku was holding back against Gohan in episode 75, just like with Krillin in the ToP.

2. You ever heard of ki control? That easily dismisses your complaints here. Even official sources like the Daizenshuu uses feats to scale characters. And nowhere in either the anime nor manga did Whis say ...

Buutenks vs. Gogeta (Movie 12)

base Gogeta would win.

SSJ Gogeta stomps. he will one shot him with the star-dust breaker.


Base Kefla vs SSJR Goku Black
Hit vs Base Vegito (ToP)
KKx20 Super Perfect Cell vs Super Buu
SSJ2 Future Gohan vs Kamicollo
Infinite Zamasu vs 1st UI Omen Goku

1 ...

There is no retcon of Saiyan-beyond God. Just because you don't like the idea of base Goku and Vegeta soloing Z & GT doesn't mean it was retconned. Since nearly every arc after BoG constantly portrays Goku and Vegeta in their bases as stronger than BoG SSG Goku. Like when a defenseless base Goku ...

Buutenks vs. Gogeta (Movie 12)

base Gogeta would win.

SSJ Gogeta stomps. he will one shot him with the star-dust breaker.


Base Kefla vs SSJR Goku Black
Hit vs Base Vegito (ToP)
KKx20 Super Perfect Cell vs Super Buu
SSJ2 Future Gohan vs Kamicollo
Infinite Zamasu vs 1st UI Omen Goku

1 ...

There is no retcon of Saiyan-beyond God. Just because you don't like the idea of base Goku and Vegeta soloing Z & GT doesn't mean it was retconned. Since nearly every arc after BoG constantly portrays Goku and Vegeta in their bases as stronger than BoG SSG Goku. Like when a defenseless base Goku ...

Still not enough to disqualify EoZ.

There where no Majn buu level threats. Frieza and beerus where over within one day. Both of them will probably become allies.

Timeline inconsistency is a minor polt hole.


Goku had still fought quite the list of characters that were stronger than Majin Buu ...

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This isn't a matter of calling EoZ "canon" or "non canon." Call it whatever you want but EoZ assumes that nothing happened in the 10 year time skip and that it was peaceful. We can clearly see in Super that is not the case. The Earth has been in jeopardy several times since Buu was ...

About black being equal to SSG. Keep in mind rose is only a measly x50 multiplier(it's just the regular SSJ1 after his body adopted god ki). So if SSR = SSB then base black would be equal to SSG in the anime or 1/10~5 of SSG in the manga.

I don't even it's even a x50 multiplier. Black going ssj ...

Zenkai alone is no where near this powerful. It's zenkai causing the cells of his body to adopt to his soul. Which allows him to use god Ki gradually.
Once his body fully adopted to God ki his SSJ1 became SSR. Black doesn't need SSG to get God Ki.
If 1 zenkai allows SSJ1 to surpass SSB then ...

black was around EoZ Goku in base power(above SSJ3 in base). After his God ki united with the body his base sky rocketed.if vegeta is 75% of Eoz Goku his SSJ2 > would be above black's SSJ1.
Once God ki started taking effect(and thus allowed Black to surpass everyone in base) his SSJ1 rekted SSB ...

In the manga black didn't have god ki in his base in his first encounter(which means he had a fodder base). When his "divine soul and his mortal body become one" his ssj1 overpowered SSB Vegeta.and then his SSJ1 became SSR.

Base Black was beating ssj2 Trunks. Trunks said even with the power near ...

Goku (Manga, ToP) runs the Boo Arc gauntlet. How far does he get?
~ Round 1: Base form
~ Round 2: SSJ
~ Round 3: SSJ2
~ Round 4: SSJ3
-Round 1: After Whis training I think he is above Piccolo at this point in base, so he could beat Yakkon, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, 18, maybe rusty ssj Gohan, and ...

Dragon Ball Gus wrote:A hypothetical SSJ4 Kafla vs Vegetto Blue (Future Trunks Arc)?

Based on anime, she wins at LSSJ2. It doesn't make sense, but that's how DBS anime scaling works.

In the mange vegito stumps.

The anime nerfed vegito(power and timer) to oblivion and buffed Kefla due to fan service.

Goku (Manga, ToP) runs the Boo Arc gauntlet. How far does he get?
~ Round 1: Base form
~ Round 2: SSJ
~ Round 3: SSJ2
~ Round 4: SSJ3

Losses to almost anyone in base.

Losses at every transformation to buuhan.

Beats kid buu/Fat buu in SSJ2.

Beats Super buu in SSJ3 easily.

SSJ3 Goku ...

Kefla Base VS Majuub

Majuub is around above SSJ3 Z Vegito Level in the baby saga. (He is stronger than a SSJ3 Goku who took on a SSJ Ultimate Gohan in his base form easily)

Base kefla on paper gets murdered. She isn't even above Z super vegito in base.

In DBS Manga Kefla would get murdered ...

A Hypothetical SSJ4 Kale vs Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta (Universe Survival Arc).

I am assuming Base Kale = Base Cabba = Base Vegeta here


If she goes SSJ4 she gets one shotted.

If she goes LSSJ4 vegeta dies in one punch.

SSJ4 is not that huge of a multiplier.

GT SSJ4 was so strong because GT ...