Kanzenshuu

Lord Beerus wrote:No. Dead or alive, Saiyans in Dragon Ball can't survive in a vacuum.

Only concerning breathing. But their body is more than capable of surviving.

LOL @ MVJXV! Hey, I see this as fun.

think what Phenomenol means is that there are two separate dimensions/universes/whatevers like this:

Anime dimension: flashbacks are from a different Garlic Jr. fight (though in these instances it is exactly the same fight). This fight is in the Anime canon ...

Makankosapo I often hear used as the main example of why translating the attack names into English wouldn’t work. And that’s true of one were to translate it too literally. My response? “Piercing Demon Beam”. There you go. It’s not a PERFECT translation, but it’s infinitely closer to the mark than ...

After Goku's training in 100 times gravity.
After Goku came out of the healing pod to fight Freeza.
All these are before Super Saiya-jin power-up.

Indeed.

Ask Toriyama about that.
I know Dead Zone was a Dragonball Z MOVIE and not the TV series.
Toriyama considers Anime his universe like the manga.
I wish Toriyama would go into detail about these situations.

And Movie 1 is non-canon. The series in the anime is not movie 1.
That's something you guys are going to have to ask Toriyama himself. I wish he could elaborate on THAT subject more but His statement says that Dragonball is the anime and the manga.

They were NOT from the anime but the movie! Which makes them non-canon...it was an entirely different story.

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote:But... Anime Garlic Junior IS Movie Garlic Junior, and there are flashbacks there to prove it!

The Flashbacks were from the MOVIE not from the anime.

I think it's time for some proof. But first a little background about me. My name's Matt Thorne, and I'm a Pure Math Major at the largest University in Atlantic Canada, and I can give you a mathematical proof as to why you can't take all of Toriyama's words so seriously and still consider the Manga ...

First of all, if you want to make a point, support it with evidence. Repeating the same thing numerous times and using all caps doesn't really make for a convincing argument .

Secondly, I see why you may read it that way, but the author simply saying that Dragon Ball is both the anime and manga ...

@The Lecherous Muten Roshi: Are you terribly ignoring what Toriyama said?

DRAGONBALL IS TORIYAMA'S CANON UNIVERSE AND HE CONSIDERS THE ANIME TO BE IN HIS UNIVERSE!!

THAT IS CANON!

"Watch the anime too, it's cool, and great guys have worked on it!"?
I don't think it would be too hard to get Toriyama to say that Dragon Ball is the manga and the anime and the video games...

But of course, you took that as a statement about canon and whatnot. Naturally.
Just like you apparently ...

Aaah, yes, we've certainly never discussed that one before...

Yeah...

Yeah, I saw how Toriyama utterly failed to talk about "canon", but obviously that's what he meant!

You're fucking hopeless. Seriously.

So, what the hell does this mean...

DRAGONBALL, IT'S THE ANIME AND THE MANGA!
:roll:

I admire what they have done, that's a hell of a job!
But... but... I thought Toriyama did the filler!?!

I: Do you always have in mind the minute details for anime story plans that don't appear in the printed original?

TA: I usually come up with the plans that are supposed to capture the ...

Daizenshuu's
Beyond anything else, *this* is actually what's bugging me the most.

The word is already plural. It also doesn't need to be possessive. For the love of god. Please.

Yeah, I knew you would catch on! My bad, I learn something new everyday here.:D

Now I know it's a little bit ...

The point fucking remains. Dude. Brain. Use brain.

"Official" doesn't necessarily mean "canonic".
Toriyama saying a guidebook is useful doesn't necessarily mean that guidebook is canonic.
Therefore, Toriyama saying that an official guidebook is useful doesn't necessarily mean that the guidebook is ...

Yes, it does. I'm sure a well-informed fan could write a Dragon Ball guidebook/FAQ/whatever that Toriyama would deem to be "useful" as well. Would that statement make it canonic though?

Sorry, but the Daizenshuu's wasn't written by "well-informed Fans," it was written by Toriyama's staff and ...

You're right: I don't understand. There's nothing to understand, here.

There's a difference between using a guidebook and conforming to a guidebook. When Toriyama says he would have used the guides, it could just mean that they would have been convenient for him, not necessarily that he considers ...

I wan't posting at you Cypher I was talking to a secret Admirer :D , here you go....


Phenomenol, essentially I agree with you on the status of the Daizenshuu; the only problems I have with them are that:

1) that statement by Toriyama seems to be more of a 'congratulations and thanks' to the ...