Broly, stronger than Perfect Cell?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:40 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Guys I personally think we should all ignore Phenomonol and his "little gem comebacks". At the end of the day, his stance boils down to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyN5xg6O ... ed&search=

Trust me, this is the last time I'm posting in this thread.

Phenomenol wrote:Not what the Movie shows!

Look at Paragus' flashbacks. We see Broly destroying a couple different races, this was implied to be when he started his purge of all planets in the South Galaxy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp this.

Phenomenol wrote:Who knows? Maybe he stood on a planet to destroy a Galaxy! I know that it is stated and shown that the Galaxy was vaporized!!!!

I honestly can't believe that you can't accept the proof in front of your own eyes. The very fact that planets, comets, and stars are still up in the South Galaxy proves it hasn't been destroyed. This means that what Narrator (or Kaio) says with the little 15 second beginning of the movie was not meant to be taken literally. Doesn't it make perfect sense for this to be a figurative representation of the fall of the South Galaxy more-so than a literal eradication? Yes, it does, you're just too blinded by your own pointless "Mustn't be proven wrong" attitude. Look at the writing on the wall and stop embarrassing yourself, your bad grammar certainly doesn't help matters.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:05 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Look at Paragus' flashbacks. We see Broly destroying a couple different races, this was implied to be when he started his purge of all planets in the South Galaxy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp this.

No it doesn't, hence why a galaxy vanished in seconds.

I honestly can't believe that you can't accept the proof in front of your own eyes. The very fact that planets, comets, and stars are still up in the South Galaxy proves it hasn't been destroyed. This means that what Narrator (or Kaio) says with the little 15 second beginning of the movie was not meant to be taken literally. Doesn't it make perfect sense for this to be a figurative representation of the fall of the South Galaxy more-so than a literal eradication? Yes, it does, you're just too blinded by your own pointless "Mustn't be proven wrong" attitude. Look at the writing on the wall and stop embarrassing yourself, your bad grammar certainly doesn't help matters.

Why don't all of you look at the writing on the wall. It is STATED and Shown that the Galaxy was destroyed and you want to complain that it wasn't just because a FEW planets were still intact? LOL, your the one denying the facts. For Broli to go around destroying a Galaxy (Few billion planets and stars) from planet to planet would take thousands of YEARS and obviously that theory lacks the sanity that most of you don't have. Broli destroyed a Galaxy and ANY one with half a brain cell could see that.

The only thing that got embarrassed was YOUR common sense in that abortion of a Post.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:12 pm

I wouldn't say his grammar is that bad... it certainly isn't using ` for ' or Cure-black level...

but yeah, Xyex made a solid point: if the galaxy was blown away in seconds, it is not possible for Neo Vegeta, Comet, Etc to exist as shown in the movie. Planets could survive, maybe... but stable? No crazy energy fallout? No gravitational insanity throwing the planet into oblivion so that everyone dies instantly? And what about the sky?
Yah, I'm convinced. Recall the (filler?) episode where Goku's ship on the way to Namek had serious problems, the gravity machine malfunctioned, navigation problems, Etc... I think it's a safe bet that if the writers could acknowledge that type of almost-chaos theory near-catachlism, they wouldn't ignore the fact that a sudden vaporization of a (mostly gas/plasma already) galaxy would make setting another half hour on a planet in said galaxy impossible.

[edit] You know, even if Neo Vegeta isn't in the South galaxy, consider how long it took Broli to get there after his galaxy destroying campaigne--I'd imagine that shows the South galaxy to be very close to Neo Vegeta, which holds true if the planet is or isn't in ssaid galaxy... so quick destruction of a galaxy like that wouldn't leave the planet inhabitable.[/edit]

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:18 pm

Phenomenol wrote:The only thing that got embarrassed was YOUR common sense in that abortion of a Post.

Now, saying things like that when absolutely no one reading respects you doesn't help your case. Are you even thinking about our points, or disregarding them because you're convinced you're right? Process the points and disprove them; if you can do that, you have all the more reason to hold to your beliefs even in opposition to everyone else.

Your only argument, I see, is that "it was shown that Broli destroyed a galaxy in seconds". Well, no it wasn't. What was shown was a galaxy spiraling out of existance in a spectacular show of animated special effects. That shows only that the galaxy was destroyed, and the events of the movie make it illogical to assume that Broli wasn't the culprit. But anything beyond that, using this scene alone, cannot be proven. That includes arguments based on time and method of destruction.
And see my above post for why I was finally fully convinced to disagree with you.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:32 pm

Let's just say Broly did destroy it in a second, somehow. How does that prove he's stronger than Cell? There's no proof that Cell couldn't do that. Broly isn't 10x stronger than Cell. They're in the same power range, so why is this galaxy debate even still going on? Here it is for me...

SP Cell is a badass. No, no! But wait, there's more to it! He's strong, and he almost took out Gohan as a SSj2.

Broly was beaten by a SSj. Sure, Goku got energy from his fallen allies. Let's go back on that...fallen allies. How much energy did they even have left? They barely had enough to stand and talk, not to mention not enough to hold a stable SSj form. No way was it more than a newly transformed SSj2.

Now I'm not saying Cell could have killed a SSj2 necessarily, but just to hold Gohan off and having the advantage, plus having Gohan thinking it was all over, means he was damn strong. I think the final beam struggle when Gohan got motivated wouldn't have been so one-sided if Cell didn't get distracted by Vegeta.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:58 pm

It was one-sided; Cell was crushing Gohan until Vegeta got his cheap shot in.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:57 pm

I was talking about at the very end.

DemonKingPiccolo · Post by **DemonKingPiccolo** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:20 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Let's just say Broly did destroy it in a second, somehow. How does that prove he's stronger than Cell? There's no proof that Cell couldn't do that. Broly isn't 10x stronger than Cell. They're in the same power range, so why is this galaxy debate even still going on? Here it is for me...

SP Cell is a badass. No, no! But wait, there's more to it! He's strong, and he almost took out Gohan as a SSj2.

Broly was beaten by a SSj. Sure, Goku got energy from his fallen allies. Let's go back on that...fallen allies. How much energy did they even have left? They barely had enough to stand and talk, not to mention not enough to hold a stable SSj form. No way was it more than a newly transformed SSj2.

Now I'm not saying Cell could have killed a SSj2 necessarily, but just to hold Gohan off and having the advantage, plus having Gohan thinking it was all over, means he was damn strong. I think the final beam struggle when Gohan got motivated wouldn't have been so one-sided if Cell didn't get distracted by Vegeta.

mAcChaos wrote:It was one-sided; Cell was crushing Gohan until Vegeta got his cheap shot in.

I think you're both forgetting that Gohan was severely injured when he was almost taken out by Cell, where the injury made his ki level plummet. (Gohan stated this himself, Piccolo also observed this.)

Also Goku stated that Gohan was holding back for fear of destroying the Earth. With Cell distracted, Gohan could then finish Cell off quickly enough to not do as much damage to the Earth if Cell was able to retaliate.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:59 pm

Fear of destroying Earth? Gohan is a retard, what did he think would happen if he lost? I can't remember most of the lines anymore. I quit.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:01 am

caejones wrote:Now, saying things like that when absolutely no one reading respects you doesn't help your case. Are you even thinking about our points, or disregarding them because you're convinced you're right? Process the points and disprove them; if you can do that, you have all the more reason to hold to your beliefs even in opposition to everyone else.

Yeah, The Galaxy was shownm and stated to be destroyed!!! their is proof.

Your only argument, I see, is that "it was shown that Broli destroyed a galaxy in seconds". Well, no it wasn't. What was shown was a galaxy spiraling out of existance in a spectacular show of animated special effects. That shows only that the galaxy was destroyed, and the events of the movie make it illogical to assume that Broli wasn't the culprit. But anything beyond that, using this scene alone, cannot be proven. That includes arguments based on time and method of destruction. And see my above post for why I was finally fully convinced to disagree with you.

See my above post why you disagree with the Movie! It is stated that Broli shattered an entire Galaxy and the ACTION backs this statement up.

I am sorry if you want to be in denia,l go right ahead.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:27 am

Narrator - "The Southern Galaxy has fallen under Super Saiyan attack."

And that's all that's said by the Narrator at that point, and Kaio-sama says nothing important. Later, when Kaio-sama is explaining things to Goku...

Goku - "The Southern Galaxy attacked by a Super Saiyan?"

Kaio - "Mm. He's already finished tearing up the Southern Galaxy, and appears to be after my North Galaxy next. Goku, it's possible that his power may be even greater than that of you guys."

After Goku asks where to go investigate...

Kaio - "First, go check the Southern Galaxy." Kaio-sama then points the direction out to Goku.

So, uh, while he did mess the place up pretty good, it's intact enough to be "pointed out" and Kaio-sama only considers it a possibility that he is stronger than the Dragon Team. Meaning he considers them at least somewhat capable of causing the same destruction if they chose to.

Huh.

Well, honestly, can't we all agree that this whole thing is stupid enough not to reply to anymore? Let's just ignore whatever Phenomenal says on the subject. That should fix the issue since he's just going to repeat himself with increasingly poor Grammar. My only regret is being forced to put my least favorite movie in the DVD player.

Oh, and on the whole Gohan vs. Cell thing, I think it's realistic to ascertain that, had Gohan not been injured, their powers would be been basically equal, considering it would take someone of Gohan's own power to inflict a wound that serious that easily. Cell overcame injured Gohan incredibly fast, and yes, Gohan was worried about destroying the planet. After alll, he was pouring all of his Ki into one blast and it wasn't aimed at the sky. What's the point in beating Cell if the Earth is destroyed?

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:09 am

Man, Cell is awesome.

DemonKingPiccolo · Post by **DemonKingPiccolo** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:11 am

Drunken Master wrote:Fear of destroying Earth? Gohan is a retard, what did he think would happen if he lost? I can't remember most of the lines anymore. I quit.

What are you talking about? Gohan may be a "retard", but he was holding back in the final beam struggle against Cell.
Goku tells Gohan to give it everything, and after a "failed" attempt to overpower Cell, Goku tells him to stop holding back, and whatever happened to the Earth the Dragon balls would fix it. Gohan then strongly implies that he was indeed holding back. I don't have the exact quotes right off hand, I seem to have misplaced my volume 34 (or DBZ vol 18.)

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:52 pm

Hmm, I don't think you got what I was saying...Gohan is a retard for holding back. He didn't want to destroy the Earth right? So what if Cell just went all out and Gohan dies because he held back? He's dead, now the Earth is gonna be destroyed by Cell's awesomeness.

Anyhow, since this debate is going nowhere, I'm going to end it. I pit SP Cell and LSSj Broly against each other in DBZBT2 on the hardest setting. 3 matches. Cell won every time. The debate is OVER. Good day sirs.

SS2 Vegeto · Post by **SS2 Vegeto** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:00 pm

Not only is it never stated that the galaxy was destroyed in seconds, but the fact that every time I mention that Cell could only wipe out the solar system, and Broly would have to be countless thousands of times stronger, to wipe out a galaxy, which he clearly isn't...he dodges. In addition to the contents of Duo's post, it's quite plain to see who the one "in denial" is.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:48 pm

Once again all of you are using YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION and not going by the movie/Manga.

Broli destroyed a galaxy and Cell can destroy a Solar system....FACTS

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:51 pm

Phenomenol wrote:Cell can destroy a Solar system....FACTS

Huh? Where's this from? Also, can you stop typing in caps to get you're point across. It can be conveyed as shouting and quite rude to some people. We are all capable of reading smaller letters and having a calm conversation.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:09 pm

Cell didn't destroy a solar system. If he never did it, it's not a fact. He said he could, but every villain says they can do something awesome and doesn't necessarily deliver. It's not a fact that he can, only that he said he can.

Broli didn't destroy a solar system: fact. The beginning of the film shows a galaxy bursting, or whatever - that's obviously not supposed to be taken literally. Fact: we see Goku and Broli fight on a planet in the southern galaxy.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:13 pm

Again, using YOUR own interpretation and ignoring what was stated.

Broli destroyed a Galaxy and it is stated....FACT.

Cell is said to have the power to destroy the ENTIRE Solar System....FACT.

Show me where it is stated they can't or please stop posting.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:37 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:Guys I personally think we should all ignore Phenomonol and his "little gem comebacks". At the end of the day, his stance boils down to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyN5xg6O ... ed&search=
Trust me, this is the last time I'm posting in this thread.

Jers, you're free to kill me for doing this.

Phenomenol wrote:Broli destroyed a Galaxy and it is stated....FACT.

Duo from Daimao's translation wrote:Narrator - "The Southern Galaxy has fallen under Super Saiyan attack."

Duo from Daimao's translation wrote:Goku - "The Southern Galaxy attacked by a Super Saiyan?"

Kaio - "Mm. He's already finished tearing up the Southern Galaxy, and appears to be after my North Galaxy next. Goku, it's possible that his power may be even greater than that of you guys."

Did you ignore Duo's post? He went to the trouble of digging up his FUNi DVD to do a word-for-word transcript of Daimao's translation and this is how you repay him, with more denial ... and now lying? Look at the official translation, it isn't stated anywhere the South Galaxy has been destroyed, just that it's come under attack. Now you're contradicting Steve Simmons' own work. *sarcasticly claps*

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